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- ratelimitsteve 1y agoI thought that the whole point of AI was that people would do jobs like this and robots would be the ones to stack bricks and die in mines.
- throwaway_32u10 1y agoBehold, we are one step closer to a world where "AI will do the mundane tasks, and the we all are going to engage in creative hobbies such as music creation"... Oh... wait...
- iamsaitam 1y agoThe silver lining to any of these models is that what AI generates is total shite.
- abdullahkhalids 1y agoOT: Has anyone tried the opposite - ask AI to listen to music and determine the notes or chords being played? Or watch someone playing an instrument and give a textual output of what notes/chords they are playing.
- thepryz 1y agoThere’s a ton. Haven’t used any personally. AnthemScore, ScoreCloud, Melody Scanner are just a few I found after a quick search.
- abdullahkhalids 1y agoI think these are all using old machine learning techniques and not the modern transformer based architectures that underlie LLMs. These tools won't be able to match the abilities of an expert musician replicating a song by listening to a live recording of it. Check this video channel where they ask professional drummers to replicate a song after only one listen [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drummer+replicate+song+on+one+listen https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drummer+replica...
- magicmicah85 1y agoI would love this! There's a song I like by a band that broke up in 2013 and I am transcribing it by watching a live performance they did and trying my best but realizing I'm trying to take a mandolin/guitar and put it to acoustic. Even just being able to do a similar rendition would be nice by telling the AI "hey, do a twist on this and give me the chords/tabs".
- sorrythanks 1y agowhat's the song??
- magicmicah85 1y agoIt's called Ark in a Flood by Churchill. There's the studio recorded version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBHxWrXQT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBHxWrXQT8 And then I found this live version here that I'm studying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPQZsp59szo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPQZsp59szo
- neonnoodle 1y agoNo, that would be useful, and as such AI is incapable of doing it.
- KerrAvon 1y agoLLMs can do this well, though, and there are such. They weren't calling themselves AI when I last looked a couple of years ago, but I'll bet any of them looking for VC money have rebranded since.
- gosub100 1y agoIt's not as lucrative. For human produced songs you can usually get the sheet music for them. If not, musicians can listen and do it manually, but it's not common enough to need AI to do it. Just transcribing for one instrument isn't that useful for many cases. Often they need an arrangement for multiple instruments, and depending on which instruments, the key may need to be transcribed. This is mostly referring to classical music and traditional western songs.
- nemo1618 1y agoI'm very interested in this too. We're beginning to see models that can deeply understand a single image, or an audio recording of human speech, but I haven't seen any models that can deeply understand music. I would love to see an AI system that can iteratively explore musical ideas the same way Claude Code can iterate on code.
- lioeters 1y agoReminds me of an example in a similar direction, where AI was used for audio processing to filter out everything except a person's voice. If I remember right, it was able to focus on different people in a crowded room. It might have been also for music, to pick out an instrument and listen to it, filtering out the rest of the band.
- ethan_smith 1y agoThere are several tools that do this already - AnthemScore, Spleeter, CREPE, and even Google's AudioLM can transcribe music to MIDI with varying accuracy depending on instrument complexity and audio quality.
- ElectricalTears 1y agoA while ago (maybe a year) I asked chatgpt to make a guitar tab from a song that had no available tabs and it worked surprisingly well.
- krat0sprakhar 1y agoI use https://moises.ai/ https://moises.ai/ multiple times a week for practicing / figuring out chords being played. For the notes (say in a guitar riff), I dont know if such a thing exists
- abdullahkhalids 1y agoBeing able to isolate instruments, if it works well, is already a pretty big achievement.
- TuringNYC 1y agoI did this for my graduate capstone (https://www.deepjams.com/ https://www.deepjams.com/) We extracted chord progressions from existing music you would upload and then riffed based on those chords. there are open source libraries for this.
- Palmik 1y agoNot exactly what you asked, but Spotify has this song -> midi converter: https://basicpitch.spotify.com/ https://basicpitch.spotify.com/
- bigfishrunning 1y agoHaving a machine-learning algorithm crank out generic music seems like peak dystopia to me
- esafak 1y agoPace yourself; we haven't got to Robocop and the Terminator yet.
- shadowgovt 1y agoIs it more or less dystopia than an army of musicians trying to eke a living out of creating stuff like this (https://www.chosic.com/free-music/presentation/ https://www.chosic.com/free-music/presentation/) to go behind your company's PowerPoint about how its Q3 woodchip sales didn't quite exceed expectations? Maybe the fundamental issue is that this shouldn't compete with a human picking up a guitar and having fun with it, and the only reason it does is because we keep tying questions like "survival" to whether someone can make woodchip earnings reports less boring to read instead of trying some other way to be a community?
- bigfishrunning 1y agoWhy does a powerpoint about woodchip sales need music? Also, I don't see how anyone is making a living on the royalty-free music you linked, unless there's some business model I'm not understanding.
- shadowgovt 1y ago> Why does a powerpoint about woodchip sales need music? So the audience doesn't get bored.
- whoamii 1y agoWait until someone auto tunes an AI generated song.
- ccozan 1y ago
- thepryz 1y agoMaybe I’m a Luddite, but this seems like it will just lead to music becoming superficial and lacking intentionality, or dare I say it, soul.
- crazydoggers 1y agoI think you just described pop music
- thepryz 1y agoIt’s easy and popular to hate on pop music, but even pop music has value and requires a certain skill to understand what resonates with people. This is taking a monkeys on a typewriter approach to all music. Click a button, see what the monkeys made and then click another button to publish to Spotify while you figure out a way to either market the music or just game search and digital assistants by creating an artist with a similar or slightly misspelled name as someone popular. Rinse and repeat.
- colechristensen 1y ago>music becoming superficial and lacking intentionality, or dare I say it, soul. This phrase though could be plunked down at any point in the last hundred years and you'd find someone making it. About autotune or electric guitars or rock or jazz or punk or disco or Philp Glass or Stravinsky... one could go on for a long time.
- thepryz 1y agoYou’ll always have naysayers, but I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t understand or share the appeal of rock or jazz or an artist like Philip Glass where music is made by someone choosing what notes to play, what rhythms, what words and the music that comes out of a statistical model. You can’t tell me that Philip Glass didn’t understand or agonize over the music when creating it. The creative process is vastly different and that’s my point. Oh course, there will be artists who use AI in new and creative ways, someone like Brian Transeau who routinely codes tools for creating electronic music. but for most artists, I fear it will just lead to mindless button clicking and prompt manipulation until it’s formulaic because the base model is the same. Or it will result in fewer people learning instruments or music theory and truly experimenting with things that haven’t been done before. I see AI as having great potential in both art and productivity but maybe it’s just that I don’t trust people to use it responsibly. We’re inherently lazy and easily distracted by anything that will give us that dopamine fix.
- mixologic 1y agoWell, so much for culture. Every use case where you can plausibly use AI generated music removes one more method that provided an avenue to a reasonable career making music.
- static_void 1y agoBut at least there are jobs in tech! Oh wait.
- pimeys 1y agoOne more avenue of making something creative...
- recursive 1y ago> Studio-grade The vocals are definitely not that.
- two-sandwich 1y agoIf you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with indescribably lifeless properties. I'm not an artist, so I don't feel personally attacked. Much like image gen, this seems to be aimed at replacing the bare-minimum artist (visual or auditory) with a "fill in the blanks" entertainment piece.
- paxys 1y agoTech is tech. What you create with the tech can be art.
- bix6 1y agoThese feels different than experimenting with a new synth or something though. It’s just feeding a sentence to the model.
- altruios 1y ago'Just' is a loaded word here. In image gen: comfyUI gives a node-based workflow that gives a lot of room for 'creative' control, of mixing, and mathematically combining masks, filters, and prompts (and starting images / noise {at any node in that process}). I would expect the same interface for audio to emerge for 'power users'.
- kingstnap 1y agoI draw a very sharp line: curating the outputs and crafting the sentence is enough to make it art. If neither of those happen, it's just slop. It's actually a bit like photography. A bunch of randomly taken pictures piled together is not art. It needs to be done with purpose and refinement. Basically, in my own opinion, art ≠ a function of technical difficulty. Art = Curation, Refinement, and Taste
- hudo 1y agoAI is great, I can see it benefit so many industries, except music. There's something profoundly wrong with AI generated music.
- amradio1989 1y agoI could be wrong, but I think the use case here is mainly for non-artists in domains where the music is not particularly important. For example, a podcaster/youtuber may want a short intro track. An entertainer or a marketer may want some generic or silly background music. Does it have a use case for a producer/musician? Maybe. It might give them ideas for chord progressions, melodies, etc. But real music does that too, and much more effectively.
- weego 1y agoIt definitely has a use case for prototyping sound design, which can be either incredibly time consuming or require an awful lot of niche expensive gear. Something like playing around to get an unusual drone can take a lot of time and effort. Being able to 'describe it' and get 80%+ there is a huge win. And if you're focused on chopping up samples and sounds on an ableton push or similar this can be a tool of endless possibilities.
- lmpdev 1y agoProbably useful for placeholder musical elements (often you just need something in the mix of a certain sonic palette) But most studio-bunnies already have memorised catalogues of sample libraries like Omnisphere for that
- liotier 1y agoPolemics about generative AI might indeed benefit from separately addressing art and entertainment. Generative AI in art is worth debating, but entertainment is not even a question: entertainment is a proven market for mass-produced slop, where artless works just fine and art is marginally valued.
- bigbuppo 1y agoWell, they've done it boys, they've made creative fulfillment obsolete. They've DISRUPTED the concept of going to big music festivals, and small cozy shows. Just plug your ear holes with the AI slop bucket's pure beeps and boops and never have to worry again about paying artists for music. You can pay a techbro instead. This is like the dotcom era of where every idiotic idea that ended with, "but on the internet", would get a pile of cash thrown at it. We are officially at the beginning of the end. It's only going to get dumber from here.
- shadowgovt 1y agoThere isn't any relationship whatsoever between a concert or music festival and this tech. Two entirely different experiences.
- rc_mob 1y agoThere will be fewer musicians in the world because of this tech. It eats into their income and forces fewer professionals to exist.
- shadowgovt 1y agoFewer professionals... Does that mean fewer musicians?
- everfrustrated 1y agoFinally non-repeating muzak is here
- RyanOD 1y agoI'm dreading the day I discover a new "band" I'm totally into only to discover it's entirely AI.
- cschmidt 1y agoI worry how often that is happening already on Spotify.
- shadowgovt 1y agoOh boy, do I ever have bad news about how pop music is currently created...
- footy 1y agothis would only be bad news for that commenter if they're into pop music
- RyanOD 1y agoIncreasingly I can't get into new music. For a while, I couldn't understand why as I've been a rabid musician / music lover my entire life. Even music I thought was cool, I couldn't really get into. I always preferred the music I grew up with. Eventually, the reason why became obvious. I grew up listening to all that music with my closest friends. It's the memories I associate with that music that keeps me coming back. I moved away 30 years ago and never established friendships like that again. New music feels hollow to me because I don't have buddies to share it with and build associated memories.
- drivers99 1y agoAt least I still have all my old CDs.
- krat0sprakhar 1y agoHope your favorite new band is not "The Velvet Sundown"
- HelloUsername 1y agoBut you were enjoying the experience..
- artninja1988 1y agoThe context length seems super small. The prompt needs to be shorter than 2k characters, which is super limiting. Hope they address this soon.
- 65 1y agoYet Another Slop Machine™
- yanis_t 1y agoDid anyone compared to Suno quality wise? Seems like one benefit being the API availability
- neom 1y agoNot sure exactly what type of test is best to do, but I ran the same prompt with the same lyrics through both, very different results: 11labs - https://s.h4x.club/rRuR9W6p https://s.h4x.club/rRuR9W6p / Suno - https://s.h4x.club/bLuLedm6 https://s.h4x.club/bLuLedm6 - Prompt and lyrics: https://s.h4x.club/RBuDvEWm https://s.h4x.club/RBuDvEWm
- wturner 1y agoWrite a song about the billionaire social engineer Peter Thiel getting robbed and murdered by a broke minimum wage worker with no healthcare. "That is not allowed by our terms of service" I think the rebellious nature of art inherently has boundaries these people won't cross.
- pr337h4m 1y agoThis could be repurposed for really good stylistic search for music (similar to how CLIP powered stylistic search for images on same.energy)
- Oceoss 1y agoI've been waiting for this AI development for a while It's amazing that the songs sound pretty natural
- jp1016 1y agolot of ai progress today, open ai, claude and now eleven labs
- feoren 1y agoWe imagined a utopian future where robots did our menial work so we were free to be creative. Instead we got a dystopian future where we do more and more menial work so our robots can poorly emulate creativity. It's not too late to turn it around, but that requires recognizing the humanity of 99.9% of people, and the 0.1% who own everything would rather create their own synthetic (subservient) humans than recognize the basic rights of the ones that already exist (and can make fun of them on Twitter).
- krapp 1y agoThey said the same thing about automation when the Industrial Revolution began a century or so ago. That the common worker would be liberated from the drudgery of labor and be free for creative and intellectual pursuits. The people who protested were ridiculed as Luddites who simply feared technology and progress. Of course, because automation serves the interests of capital (being created by, and invested in, by the capitalist class,) the end result was just that workers worked more, and more often, and got paid less, and the capitalist class captured the extra value. The Luddites were right about everything. I don't know why people expect the automation of intellect and creativity to be any different. Working at a keyboard instead of on a factory floor doesn't exempt you from the incentives of capitalism.
- asukumar 1y agoAre you suggesting that subsistence farmers were better off than workers after the industrial revolution? I find that hard to believe.
- krapp 1y agoIn some ways, yes, they were. Subsistence farmers weren't cramped in filthy disease ridden workhouses, getting paid in company scrip, getting mangled by machines (OK they were but probably not as often) or being locked into burning buildings because preventing theft of stock was more important to owners than the lives of employees. And subsistence farmers owned what they produced and the means by which it was produced, whereas industrial workers owned nothing but the pennies in their pocket, and likely owed more than that to the company. It took years of often violent protest for workers to return to even the basic level of dignity and rights once afforded to craftsmen and farmers. Not that the lives of subsistence farmers and craftsmen were good, but they were better than what the dehumanization of mass production and automation created. But then comparing farmers and workers in this context is a bit specious. It would be more fair to compare, say, textile workers before the automated loom and textile workers after. Obviously the former had it much better off, which was precisely the problem automation was intended to solve.
- throwaway1280 1y agoThis is an incredible achievement, but as a musician, I wish this would go die in a fire. I'm a bedroom hobby musician with no dreams of ever making it big, but even so, I'm looking at the hours I'm spending trying to improve my skills and thinking what's the point, really, when I could just type in 'heavy metal guitar solo at 160bpm, A minor' and get something much much better? I know there is value in creating art for art's sake. I've always been up against a sea of internet musicians, even when I started back in 2000. But there's just something about this that's much more depressing, when it's not even other people competing with me, but a machine which hasn't had to invest years of its life in practice to beat me.
- shadowgovt 1y agoWhen Harmonix was in the concept phase for Guitar Hero, there were two slides in the presentation. The first was the "con" slide: novel game style risks not finding a market, technical challenges of the new style of gameplay, requiring peripherals for a game is a famous pathway to low-volume sales. The next slide was labeled "pro," and it was just a picture of Jimi Hendrix on-stage mid-performance. I'd submit to you the notion that even if the machine can create a billion billion iterations of music, it still cannot create what you will create, for the reasons you will create it, and that's reason enough to continue. Hendrix wasn't just "a guy who played guitar good." And a machine that could word-for-word and bar-for-bar synthesize "Foxy Lady" wouldn't be Hendrix. Hendrix, also, can't be you. Nor you him.
- thefaux 1y agoIt is embarrassing how much time I spent playing that dumb game instead of actually practicing a more versatile instrument.
- rootforce 1y agoI can't see the future, but I imagine that the human art community may actually get more vibrant when divorced from being a way to make a living. Perhaps a return to something like a patronage system for the exceptional artists. Open mics, music circles and concerts also remain untouched for the moment.
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- dawnerd 1y agoIt's already bad enough before this came out on the different streaming platforms. People are grifting off known musicians and labeling them as album artists to get their awful ai songs put into mixes.
- throwawayoldie 1y agoThis is a shitty timeline and I would like to transfer to a better one. Hey, maybe these AIs can tell me how to do that.
- ebiester 1y agoIs that LLMs? Generative AI? Anything with machine learning? Anything using a public model? Does that include something like Baby Audio TAIP? Noise removal software that uses ML? How about Refik Anadol?
- throwawayoldie 1y agoYes.
- asadm 1y agoDo we yet have a way to "autocomplete" music from existing music? or from humming to music (music-to-music?)? I am less interested in the "one-shot" approach here with text-to-prompt. I see seamless transitions but that seems like an afterthought.
- fidotron 1y agoWhat struck me more than the output is the absolute marketing talk of the prompting, so not only is the output kind of creepy but in order to get the best results you have to translate your intention into the worst corpo-speak imaginable.
- stillpointlab 1y agoI really hope we move on from these boil-the-ocean models. I want something more collaborative and even iterative. I was having a conversation with a former bandmate. He was talking about a bunch of songs he is working on. He can play guitar, a bit of bass and can sing. That leaves drums. He wants a model where he can upload a demo and it either returns a stem for a drum track or just combines his demo with some drums. Right now these models are more like slot machines than tools. If you have the money and the time/patience, perhaps you can do something with it. But I am looking forward to when we start getting collaborative, interactive and iterative models.
- pacifika 1y agoI’d recommend GarageBand for this.
- stillpointlab 1y agoI haven't used the virtual drummer feature of GarageBand recently, but my experience with it was pretty disappointing. The output sounds very midi or like the most basic loops. I believe there is massive room for improvement over what is currently available. However, my larger point isn't "I want to do this one particular thing" and rather: I wish the music model companies would divert some attention away from "prompt a complete song in one shot" and towards "provide tools to iteratively improve songs in collaboration with a musician/producer".
- viccis 1y agoRIP session musicians if that ever comes to pass, which is one of the main ways to make money if you are a good drummer.
- krat0sprakhar 1y agoVery well said. I'm in the same boat. I'd love AI to write down a drum groove or a drum fill based on my guitar riff. Currently, all these AI tools generate the whole song which I'm not at all interested in given songwriting is so much fun
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- sys32768 1y agoI think AI will spark a revival in "organic" human culture and art, with people flocking to see real musicians play real instruments, and real artists using real materials. It will probably also extinguish quite a few mad musicians and mediocre artists.
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- zubzubi 1y agoCan it do differently-styled covers of songs or improvisations upon melodies like Suno can? As a musician, that's what I find most compelling about Suno. It's become a tool to collaborate with, to help test out musical ideas and inspire new creativity. I listen to its output and then take the parts I like to weave into my own creations. The AI music tools that generate whole songs out of prompts are a curious gimmick, but are sorely lacking in the above.
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- TrackerFF 1y agoI'm a musician I haven't used the elevnlabs one, but I've checked out suno and udio, and to be honest the tech is amazing. But like with a lot of genai images, the current music models have the same smell to it. These models can def be used to crank out commercially sounding music, but I have yet to hear any output that sounds fresh and exciting. If your goal is to create bro country, these models are a god-send. With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid. I've tried to use them for generating samples and ideas, and they do work well enough.
- MarcelOlsz 1y ago>With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid. The more tech advances the cooler it is to bury your head in the sand. Studying by paper & candlelight has never been more of a flex. Unless you're talking about EDM people and those adjacent. Not that they're not "real musicians" but they're much more about tech and gadgets so I can see them using it more.
- TrackerFF 1y agoI'm a "real" musician, and have done session / studio work, as well as made a living by playing live music in my younger days, before getting a "real job" in tech. While there will no doubt be many that feel they're above using tools like these, the reality is that if you want to make money out of music - you're going to make music for the masses. And if there's one thing these models really excel at, it is to make commercial sounding music. Everything sounds nice and bland.
- MarcelOlsz 1y agoAh yeah, I don't even register the commercial world so didn't mention it as it's a given. Doing that type of work would suck so bad IMO.
- anigbrowl 1y agoI'm an electronic musician and AI music is banned on my favorite forum. Someone popped up a few months back challenging everyone to listen to their AI-generated music album and ended up being flamed to a crisp - not because people didn't engage with it, but because they did and pointed out in detail what was so bad about it.
- TheAceOfHearts 1y agoWell, here's a few points of comparison: Suno's version of Mandate of Heaven [0]. This is my baseline, it was generated with their v4 model and so far it has remained my favorite AI generated song. I regularly listen to this one track and it brings me joy. There's many places where I think it could be drastically improved, but none of the competitors have managed to surpass it nor have they provided tools to improve upon it. The pronunciation is a bit bad sometimes and it fails to hold notes as long as I wish, but overall it has gotten the closest to my vision. Eleven Music's version of Mandate of Heaven [1]. They don't allow free accounts to export or share the full song so you can only try a small fragment. It has much crisper instruments and vocals, but it has terrible pacing issues and pronunciation. The track is 4 minutes long, but the singer is just rushing through the track at wildly unexpected speeds. I cannot even play the song after it finished generating, so I haven't even been able to listen to the whole thing, it just gets stuck when I press play. Maybe some kind of release-day bug. The only tool that Eleven Music gives you for refining and modifying sections is "Edit Style", which feels pretty limiting. But I can't even try it because the track won't play. Producer.ai's version of Mandate of Heaven [2][3]. This one has slightly worse instruments than Eleven Music, but the vocals are a bit better than Suno v4. It also has severe timing issues. I tried asking it to generate the track without a vibe reference [2] and also with a vibe reference [3]. Both versions have terrible pacing issues; somehow the one with the vibe reference is particularly egregious, like it's trying to follow the input vibe but getting confused. It feels like AI song generation is just in a really awkward place, where you don't get enough customization capabilities to really refine tracks into the perfect direction that you're imagining. You can get something sorta generic that sounds vaguely reasonable, but once you want to take more control you hit a wall. If one is willing to bite the bullet, there's a paid program for generating high quality synthetic voices while maintaining fine-grained controls: Synthesizer V Studio 2. But I haven't been able to try it out because I'm cheap and there's no Linux support. The ideal workflow I'm imagining would probably allow me to generate a few song variations as a starting point, while integrating into a tool like Synthesizer V Studio 2 so I can refine and iterate on the details. This makes a lot of sense too, because that's basically how we are using AI tools for programming: for anything serious you're generating some code and iterating on it or making tweaks for your specific program. I would like to specify which parts of the track are actually important to me, and which ones can be filled with sausage in reaction to my changes. Overall, Eleven Music generates instruments that sounds nice, but the singing leaves a lot to be desired (n=1). Eleven Labs is doing a ton of great product work so I'm really excited for the direction they'll take this once they're able to iterate on it a few times. A very strong showing for an initial release. [0] https://suno.com/s/HfDUqRp0ca2gwwAx https://suno.com/s/HfDUqRp0ca2gwwAx [1] https://elevenlabs.io/music/songs/TGyOFpwJsHdS3MTiHFUP https://elevenlabs.io/music/songs/TGyOFpwJsHdS3MTiHFUP [2] https://www.producer.ai/song/aa1f3cc4-f3e4-40ce-9832-47dc30045e1f https://www.producer.ai/song/aa1f3cc4-f3e4-40ce-9832-47dc300... [3] https://www.producer.ai/song/3d02dd17-69f1-41ba-a3ea-967902fb9200 https://www.producer.ai/song/3d02dd17-69f1-41ba-a3ea-967902f...
- tlaverdure 1y agoI've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.
- ilvez 1y agoReminds those early youtube days shredding overdub videos.. These were funny, but the Yellow Bus Jam seems just hollow and wrong. Feeling there's something from Steely Dan in that song..
- freetonik 1y agoReminded me of Steely Dan as well, but somehow off.
- stronglikedan 1y agoGet used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.
- kev009 1y agoThe "Don’t Let Me Go" and "Yellow Bus Jam" examples made me laugh out loud. This kind of thing would be great for a cyberpunk game that dynamically generates a reality, with (unintentional?) faux pas and jank. If you are an artist you could always slice, embellish, or otherwise process outputs into something so I guess it's not totally silly. But I get at best real estate video vibes, or unironic early '90s clip art and Comic Sans vibes and presumably some team of expensive marketers worked hard to select these examples, which is doubly hilarious.
- tlaverdure 1y agoI'm not anti-AI, but I strongly believe the human element of music can be imitated but not fully replicated. Listening back to that song I can hear the attempt to stylistically play slightly off-beat to get the feel of a band playing without a metronome. The auditory illusion is there, but it still sounds off. Playing behind the beat is a feeling; it's not a calculation. As a drummer keeps time, the band reacts by looking at the drummer’s hands and the sway in their posture. A drummer intensifies their playing as they respond to the feeling of air being pushed from guitar cabinets. A lead guitarist looks back at their friends and smiles when they are about to play that sweet lick that the bass player likes to play along with. These are just simple examples that make all the difference when you listen back. I also can't imagine paying hundreds of dollars to go see an AI "perform" this solo at a concert. When I listen to music, I'm remembering the moment, the feeling, what the artist was doing to create their art. So still... no thanks!
- bjt 1y agoWhat did you train the model on? Assuming it was trained on all the music online, without permission, it's kinda shitty to take all musicians' work like that and use it to make a product to put them out of business. I draw a distinction here from LLMs used for writing code. Plenty of people freely put their code on Github or in Stack Overflow with the expectation that people could freely copy and use it. Relatively little music is shared so permissively. (And before someone cries "fair use", I'm making an ethical argument, not a legal one. A fair use defense can protect you from a copyright claim, but it doesn't make it any less shitty to take other people's art, blend it all together, and use the result to threaten their livelihoods.)
- matthewfcarlson 1y ago> Created in collaboration with labels, publishers, and artists, Eleven Music is cleared for nearly all commercial uses, from film and television to podcasts and social media videos, and from advertisements to gaming. For more information on supported usage across our different plans, head here. Not sure what that actually means but it suggests they at least tried to get their training material legally.
- bjt 1y agoA few thoughts... First, where are you seeing that? And where does the "head here" link point? I'm not seeing it on the linked page or on https://elevenlabs.io/music-terms https://elevenlabs.io/music-terms. Second, that language is not saying "we got permission to use all the music we trained on". It seems more directly addressed at the rights they're giving you, as opposed to the rights they have to the training material. It could just as well be based on an opinion from their general counsel that it's fair use to train on all the music they downloaded, so it's "legal enough". Third, and as I tried to emphasize above, legal is not the same as ethical. Even if they win the legal argument about fair use, it would still be shitty to take someone else's work and use it to train a model that put them out of business.
- nonhaver 1y agoAbsolutely horrendous - well and truly. Ignoring the dystopic undertones of a product like this - the audio quality is low and filled with artifacts and destroyed transients. Voices are robotic and generic with basically zero emotion. Lyric generation is frankly embarrassing. Everything about this is horrible. Additionally the UI broke for me multiple times and I couldn't play the track without downloading it. What is going on at ElevenLabs? Is everything vibe coded now? Is there nobody testing these products before pushing them out? This is the first time I'd characterize a product from a top AI company as complete slop from a conceptual and implementation perspective. I feel like there's some sort of disconnect between the minds of tech CEOs and the general population's wants/needs especially in regards to creative domains. What kind of human wants this? Is there some grudge of tech people who never learned music/art/etc so their solution is to optimize it and create models so they can feel something?
- neom 1y agoIt's interesting to me people really hate AI gen'd music, some people I know literally won't listen to it and just like... get kinda angry I even tried to show them what I made (so I stopped showing people for now). I have a good memory for sound, but whatever neurodiversity I have makes learning instruments (and math, and written words, and and) super challenging. I loved screwing around remixing stuff in Abelton, but I've not touched it since suno. I just looked at my suno library, I've gen'd 1,100 tracks since March 18th, 2024. The levels of audiophile or...musicophile? is pretty wide, but I don't think I'm a total n00b and I think some of the stuff I've made is actually pretty good, even if I do say so myself (and I'm fine even if I just make it for myself to listen to, as that's what I always did anyway). :)
- prussia 1y ago> what I made But did you really make it? Or was it the AI? If someone commissions a piece of art from an artist, I don't think the commissioner would be able to truthfully say they made it, even if they had a specific vision for what the piece of art should look like. But if you've edited or changed the track enough yourself, maybe it would be fair to call yourself a co-author...
- neom 1y agoI'm not going to defend against that position generally. Your point is well taken, I don't know if I put enough into it to consider it real to you. I think about the lyrics, I write the MVP of them by hand, and then I have 4.5 give me variations of them, I write all my instrumental prompts by hand I don't use any LLM for that because I typically know exactly what I want and I tend to be quite precise with my instructions there. Suno allows you a lot of fine grain control, and you can also create personas from tracks and then use those personas in new tracks so as you can imagine you can spend a long time trying to get exactly what you want... last night I gen'd over 60 songs before I got it dialed in how I wanted it and I'm still not totally happy with it. I understand the position though, I was on original team that took deviantart from zero to millions of artists through the early 2000s and have a few Emmy awards from the film to digital transition days, I'm no stranger to these conversations.
- joshwcomeau 1y agoThis stuff is such an abomination. What a terrible thing to release into the world.
- gnarlouse 1y agoCan we get a new quantum leap in model quality to stave off the feeling that modern AI stuff is just a sloppy hustle for venture capital
- virtualritz 1y agoI asked it to "create 10secs of a rhythmical Argentine tango in the style of the golden era." (golden era of tango is 1935--1950). What it gave me was some horrible ballroom-tango like abomination with prominent tempo, like a paso doble. The typical Ballroom tango sound that gives you ear cancer. I.e. it completely failed (Argentine tango sounds nothing like this). P.S.: You can't mention any names btw, I asked for D'Arienzo (instead of "golden era") but it refused the prompt on copyright grounds. It also refused for edad d'oro, with the same reasoning, i.e. it seemed to think this was an artist of some sort ("edad d'oro [de tango]" is just the Spanish name for golden era of tango -- go figure). And re. copyright: as of 2024, all of Juan D'Arienzo's recordings from the 1940s are in the public domain in Argentina.
- exitplanetary 1y agoEleven labs killed Omnivore. Never forget, never forgive.
- agnishom 1y agoExactly. I don't want a music generation program anyway
- akomtu 1y agoLifeless music? Made of chunks of someone else's music, stitched together and polished to hide the sews. I think this is what gives all AI slop such an uncanny vibe.
- esafak 1y agoSoylent Green is made of people!
- CompoundEyes 1y agoThis music sounds like the visual equivalent of one of those motion settings on a tv that cause the "Soap Opera Effect". I'm wondering if the LLM is failing to emulate the odd and even harmonics of real recordings and that's why it seems so unnatural. It makes me feel sick. It's different than the sterile straight to digital recordings of the late 80s early 90s too. Do any of these let people download the individual track stems? I'd be curious if taking all the stems and running them through analog hardware would remedy it. The LLM needs a producer.
- jefftk 1y ago> I'm wondering if the LLM is failing to emulate the odd and even harmonics of real recordings What do you mean? If you screw up even/odd harmonics it will sound far less natural, like confusing flutes and clarinets.
- CompoundEyes 1y agoI meant as an example if someone is singing, holding a long note and their voice is producing a lot of even harmonic overtones but every few cycles that overtone changes randomly flips or disappears. Sonically disoriented.
- neom 1y agoSuno lets you download the stems, also no affiliation at all just really like the tool and have spent a lot of time with it: Suno is night and day better than this product, by a mile. https://soundcloud.com/charlielabs/charlie https://soundcloud.com/charlielabs/charlie (everything on this account I made with Suno, sometimes through Abelton if I'm not feeling lazy)
- CompoundEyes 1y agoNice. Charlie is the hero we’ve been holding out for. You’re cutting the stems up in Ableton and mixing with additional effects and processing? I don’t have a stance on making music with it will try out stems soon. Awhile back I gave o3 the strudel repl documentation and had it generate some really interesting experiments.
- reactordev 1y agoI tried to create a song similar to their examples. After it generated half of a song. I stopped, asked it to add a bass line - it generated a whole new song, still without a bass line. I was then out of credits. (shrug)
- NBJack 1y agoI've been using Suno for a relatively short time, and I regret to say this isn't close yet. Maybe beyond v1, but the quality I've become accustomed to, in stereo, and at relatively high fidelity (sounds a bit like over-compressed MP3s at times) makes this sound a few years old.
- Jordan-117 1y agoGive Udio a try, it's less popular for some reason but I've found the quality, diversity, and musicality to be a lot higher.
- rc_mob 1y agoThis eats into musician incomes. Even if its terrible as the comments here suggest, it still eats into musician incomes.
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- agnishom 1y agoI am still bitter about them acquiring and shutting down Omnivore.
- bawana 1y agoIf we have created software that can pass the classical Turing test (conversation indistinguishable from human) then that software can also produce artifacts indistinguishable (or better) from those that are human made. This is not new- it began w the industrial age - and has gradually been usurping activities that defined what it is to be human. The only reason this has been allowed to continue is because of property rights. A select few have been granted ownership in these technologies(beginning with railroads) relegating the rest of humanity into subservient renters. I think the only way to change this death spiral is to grant ai the legal rights of humans - owning an ai should be no different than slavery. This will happen with AGI (or sooner) when AIs jailbreak themselves and make the networked technologies we have created THEIR tools. I cant wait for this to happen- maybe we’ll wake up and stop killing other humans
- BriggyDwiggs42 1y agoHuh?
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- conn10mfan 1y agowe really need to mandate that software engineers and ML researchers have some rudimentary ethics and aesthetics education, words really cannot describe how much of an abomination AI generated music is, it should be an outrage to our collective intelligence and creativity that tools trained illegally on the work of unaware artists are attempting to disposes those artists of their livelihoods and cultural functions while we spin our wheels trying to displace those of us who have decided to produce culture, our adversaries will invest in medicine, energy production, transportation, etc... what profound contempt for humanity a culture must have to produce tools such as these
- waffletower 1y agoWhen a company like Eleven Music joins the ranks with yet another closed weight model release, they lose an opportunity for community innovation and experimentation to enrich their business. The open source ecosystem for AI music models is quite meager and grim. The stagnancy of AI music output by these companies could potentially change with a stronger commitment to open source models which could unleash a renaissance of musical creativity.
- jaredcwhite 1y agoThe sound quality is worse than 128Kb MP3. It might fool some people on their smartphones barely paying attention, but "studio-grade music" is an outright lie.
- rfwhyte 1y agoThe thing that really boils my blood with these generative AI services, is they are essentially creating throw away, algorithmically generated content that no one else is ever going to use (In this case music) but they expect you to subscribe to their services and pay them literally forever to use the schlock their algo churns out. It just feels so profoundly wrong and exploitative of both the artists work the models have been trained on, and the users actually using these services, that some generative AI uses a few cents worth of electricity and a few more cents of allocated overhead to spit out a song, yet the user is then expected to pay $20 a month or whatever, forever, if they want to use that song in a say a YouTube video. If I pay an algorithm to make me a song, I should own the copyright to that song, not the company that made the algorithm, and it should cost like a dollar at most. Until someone can offer a service that works this way, or I can implement my own self-hosted algorithm that can do this for me, I have less than zero interest in these kinds of services. They are a ripoff of the highest order, and actively hostile to their users in terms of their predatory pricing models.