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Bullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to. I think the real change is that nowadays it's
by anal_reactor 1y ago
Bullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to.
I think the real change is that nowadays it's just easier and more practical NOT to maintain friendships. Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient.
- roncesvalles 1y agoDrinking outdoors (let alone at a public park) is just not a thing outside Europe.
- HPsquared 1y agoLiterally illegal in many places. Edit: including much of Europe.
- janderson215 1y agoWhich in itself is a crime, IMO.
- HPsquared 1y agoMost places do have a few dedicated areas like beer gardens. No supermarket beer allowed, of course.
- trinix912 1y agoSo it's not true freedom for everyone; you're just staying at someone's place so the local rules of public space don't apply there.
- janderson215 1y agoYeah, that annoys me as much as registering for a camping spot in a park (that doesn’t have congestion issues).
- RugnirViking 1y agowhere is it illegal in Europe? I've not encountered this yet and I've lived here my whole life. It's always struck me as a weird puritanical American thing Looked online and found maps suggesting eastern Europe has more laws relating to it, although many of them in practice don't apply
- HPsquared 1y agoNordics, Eastern parts (except Czechia), even many parts of the UK have byelaws (e.g. Glasgow). Illegal in Russia and Ukraine too.
- watwut 1y agoRussians drink anywhere and everywhere. Including cops themselves. Polish and Slovaks too. Ukraine has war related prohibition, other then that? Where exactly eastern is it not allowed (or not completely normalized to the point locals would be surprised there is such law)?
- HPsquared 1y agoMaybe they just don't follow that law, but public drinking is apparently illegal in Poland, Romania, even some cities in Slovakia apparently. Supposedly the police in Poland take a strict approach? (See wiki article "Drinking in public / By country")
- trinix912 1y ago> Eastern parts (except Czechia) Which "eastern parts"? I've never seen that rule here, but have seen people drinking in public. Do you know that or are you just asking AI to confirm your biases?
- HPsquared 1y agoMy biases were that Eastern Europeans like a drink, I was surprised to see the laws. I already knew about Nordics and my hometown, Glasgow. Public drinking is generally illegal in Poland ('police take a strict approach'), Romania, Lithuania, Slovakia (apparently not enforced in Slovakia). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public
- 9rx 1y agoTechnically. Enforcement is nonexistent, though. Hell, I've had police officers hand me drinks in public on numerous occasions.
- axoltl 1y agoJust from my limited experience: Barton Springs in Austin is always brimming with people and Shiner Bock makes a frequent appearance. Dolores Park in SF never has a dull moment and you can buy shrooms or edibles from vendors walking around. Golden Gate Park in SF is massive and there are tons of clusters of people socializing and drinking throughout the park (especially near the Conservatory of Flowers!) Central Park in NY in many ways mirrors Golden Gate Park only its way busier. Good luck finding a spot near the south side of the park on a sunny day. You might spot a mimosa or two, three…
- esseph 1y agoAustin, SF, NYC You are talking about 3 of the trendiest places in the United States. They are anomalies, not the norm.
- carlosjobim 1y agoHow about a public beach?
- haswell 1y agoDespite often being against the rules this is absolutely a thing all over Chicago during the warmer months. Boozy picnics at the beaches, wine in plastic cups at the parks, etc. And fully sanctioned alcohol at the dozens of neighborhood street fests held throughout the year. And it’s also a thing in suburbia, where backyard coolers full of beer are common at weekend gatherings.
- DrillShopper 1y agoThis is highly regional. I live in the Midwest US. The city government sponsors floating (as in they move around, not that they're in water) beer gardens across public parks in the summer, and our local Lutheran and Catholic churches will run outdoor beer gardens and barbecues as a way to enjoy the nice weather and bring in a little money. The various state fairs also sell beer, and a local outdoor, public music festival goes through a staggering amount of alcohol consumed in public. People are out in public, often with the authorities around, drinking beer and mixed drinks out of clear plastic cups (usually) and nobody cares. It's just a summer thing.
- parineum 1y ago> This is highly regional. Maybe openly but I don't know of a place where a cop will stop you and ask what's in your red cup. Parent commenter is a narc.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 1y agoI imagine there are 3 different types of locale: * Drinking in public is legal * Drinking in public is illegal (strictly enforced) * Drinking in public is illegal (give cops discretion to arrest intoxicated troublemakers who are hollering, pestering people, or otherwise engaging in mild antisocial behavior)
- bee_rider 1y agoWe’re also talking about our perception of the law here, not the actual thing. So, the third case might include people that are worried (justifiable or both) that they’ll be more likely to get the bad side of that discretion.
- Aurornis 1y agoYou might be surprised to learn that many people in public parks are not, in fact, drinking water out of their water bottles or La Croix out of their La Croix cans. Also, drinking in public is not allowed in much of Europe. Don’t go there and assume it is. There are also many US locations and parks where alcohol is allowed.
- watwut 1y agoWhere it is disallowed? Other then nordic with prohibition?
- albumen 1y agoIreland. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-offences/alcohol-and-the-law/#775974 https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/c... Edit: Wikipedia page on drinking in public: "In some countries, such as Norway,[1] Poland,[2] India and Sri Lanka[3][non-tertiary source needed], some states in the United States,[4] as well as Muslim-majority countries where alcohol is legal, public drinking is almost universally condemned or outlawed, while in other countries, such as Denmark, Portugal, Spain, Germany,[5][6] the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Japan, Finland, and China, public drinking is socially acceptable."
- watwut 1y agoI find Poland suspicious. I dunno about the law, but Polish of all ages drink outside and don't think twice about it. I did it there too.
- loa_in_ 1y agoPoland lives in the era of fight against pathological alcoholism. With the advent of modern heavy machinery like forklifts (as opposed to truck beds and strong arms and backs), many workplaces became hostile towards alcohol where previously alcohol was just part of workplace culture. This lead to a huge fallout of people who either became functional alcoholic outside of work or became jobless and miserable.
- soulofmischief 1y agoIt is definitely a thing here in Louisiana. Drinking in public or while driving is a proud tradition. Take a trip to New Orleans for the extreme end of it, but we have drive-through Daiquiri shops all over and at least half of the people I grew up with have at least one DUI and I've never thought twice about being outside with a drink in my hand, as rarely as I do drink (I do refuse to drink and drive and am constantly lecturing others about it out here)
- smith7018 1y agoUnrelated to the conversation at hand but a strange fun fact is that it's actually legal to drink while driving in Mississippi and the Virgin Islands.
- multjoy 1y agoIn a lot of jurisdictions, the offence isn't drinking while driving, it's having a blood/breath alcohol level above a certain threshold.
- SoftTalker 1y agoSavannah Georgia is another example. Taking a "traveler" when you leave a bar is pretty common.
- deepfriedchokes 1y agoWe call these “roadies” where I live.
- pb7 1y agoHuh? It's very much a thing in California.
- anal_reactor 1y agoNeither is public access to quality education. Your point?
- freehorse 1y agoReplace alcohol with whatever is more culturally appropriate and you can definitely include a strict superset of europe in the statement where it definitely happens. The thing discussed is hanging out, not alcohol. I would be more concerned about lack of accessible public spaces.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoAbsolutely a thing in socal
- fipar 1y agoI guess TIL South America is a part of Europe :)
- watwut 1y agoI have seen it done in China. A lot.
- danlugo92 1y agoMy man it's a thing in like most of asia and latin america, how can you be so confident yet so wrong at the same time.
- mlinhares 1y agoI assume you've never been to Latin America.
- tekno45 1y agoignoring data for your feelings is how we got here.
- Den_VR 1y agoSo, who are you going to go drinking with at the park? And in reverse, you’re visiting the park and see someone there drinking. What’s your impression?
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- ruszki 1y agoThe same people with who I drink in pubs in other times. Which happens quite frequently because it’s completely legal where I live. Also almost everybody does it. So nothing extra compared to people who are drinking in pubs.
- shawabawa3 1y agoThis is very cultural In London on sunny days the park is 100% rammed with people sitting in circles on the grass drinking, from like noon to sunset
- Den_VR 1y agoFor sure. As others mentioned some locals have gone so far as to make drinking in public illegal. Now in your example, suppose you’re a lonely stranger. Do you just nudge in on a circle with your beer and “Hi I’m Shawa” ? Your answer may be yes, but in other cultures that’s going to get the police called, or maybe end in a stabbing. Which is why society is in the state it’s in
- exe34 1y ago> Bullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to. In the UK, most councils have made parks alcohol-free zones. Also, the parks are only nice about 3 months a year. The rest of the time it's damp and miserable.
- shawabawa3 1y ago> In the UK, most councils have made parks alcohol-free zones Uh, citation needed? Some small parks, cemeteries, kids playgrounds maybe Every large park in London at least is full of people drinking There's even a kids playground next to a pub in London fields where I often go drinking with other parents while the kids play
- throwaway22032 1y agoThey are just being daft. Most of the UK has laws or bylaws at least against antisocial drinking e.g. if you're being a twat, violent, homeless, etc you will be asked to pour it out and leave, in incredibly rare cases I guess you might be fined but probably not. Just having a beer in public at a picnic with friends is fine and is a national pastime.
- haswell 1y ago> Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient. It doesn’t make much sense to me to put loneliness against efficiency. What does it matter if it’s “inefficient” to maintain friendships of the easily is a lonely life without social connections? People are prioritizing the wrong things IMO.
- anal_reactor 1y agoLife is about gathering resources and using them to reproduce. Humans like being social because for thousands of years it was more efficient to do that socially. Nowadays it's not.
- throwaway18373 1y agoTo be able to disregard efficiency in one's life is a privilege—one that is not afforded to most.
- haswell 1y agoMy point more broadly is that it doesn’t make sense to frame this as merely a matter of efficiency, nor was my claim that one can just ignore efficiency. Humans need a variety of things to live happy lives. Strong social connection is as important as food in the long run when considering the overall health and survival of the species. Clearly not everyone has the same access to resources and there’s a spectrum of experiences available as a result. I think this lack of resources at the bottom is an existential risk. But what I find interesting is that people with resources are just as lonely as people without in many cases. Almost everyone in my extended circles laments the decline of social connection in their lives, and many of these people certainly have the resources. I think we’ve gotten lulled into a stupor by the social media / internet content drug, and it takes just enough of the edge off of our need for social connection they we don’t properly feed it anymore. In the short term, we kinda survive living “meh” lives. What worries me is the long term impact on social cohesion.
- esseph 1y agoPublic intoxication laws in the US prevent that in a lot of places
- kjkjadksj 1y agoThey go unenforced unless your party looks like a pack of belligerent teenagers. I drink in public all the time. Cops don’t like doing paperwork unless their hand is forced.
- esseph 1y ago"Why take the risk?" You end up on video for drunkenness with police, and assuming they don't shoot you or beat the fuck out of you, the video still ends up on the internet. The next day at work, you quickly get called in to talk to your manager and HR, and now you have to find a new job. Time to find a new job! And in this market? Not worth the risk. Now companies are searching for New Hires on social media, and guess what? Your video pops up. This is why people stay at home. Nobody trusts one another, or most of the institutions.
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- in_cahoots 1y agoI was going to disagree with you as that hasn't been my experience, but I think you're actually on to something. The younger generation doesn't drink as much as they used to. I'm sure I would have thought twice about some of the things I did in college if every person present had the potential to film me and post it on the internet, ending my career before it even started. It's better prevention than DARE or prohibition could ever be- the risk of having one single mistake recorded and available for everyone to see for the rest of your life.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoYou’d have to be trashed and making a huge scene for that to ever play out like that.
- Uehreka 1y ago> Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. This is illegal in almost all of the USA. Sometimes you can get away with it, but if the cops decide to enforce the law on a particular day you’ll get a ticket.
- throwaway98797 1y agounless you’re a kid or obnoxious police are quite reasonable made up fears are stealing your joy
- untrust 1y agoThese are not made up fears, this is illegal behavior and breaking the law means risking hefty fines and a criminal record. Drinking beer in a park is not worth the possible consequences
- coffeefirst 1y agoIt also varies wildly by jurisdiction and local attitudes towards alcohol. I’ve lived in places where it’s basically tolerated so long as everyone is civil and discrete. I’ve also lived in places where they enforce it to the letter and they’re not messing around. I think people forget how big and messy the US can be.
- Uehreka 1y agoOh not my joy, back during Covid I must’ve done this dozens of times over the course of a year so I could hang out with my friends. However I’m pretty sure we only got away with it because cops just weren’t looking at all since aside from us, the park was fully empty. On the whole I would not use the term “reasonable” to describe police. They’re power tripping infants who love to lord authority over people, and to the extent we get away with things it’s because they’re also lazy.
- AngryData 1y agoYou either live in an extremely privileged and wealthy area or have not dealt with US police before. You don't get 25% of the world's prison population by being "quite reasonable"