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Murder not crisis – Why Israel's starvation of Gaza is exceptional

77 points by hackandthink 1y ago

zhengiszen 1y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committ...
zhengiszen 1y ago
[flagged]
- cwillu 1y ago
  When it isn't, will you acknowledge you were wrong and change your predictions?
  - zhengiszen 1y ago
    You didn't read the news ? The apartheid and the genocide must come to the end so that it ends the war. Then time for Justice can come.
  - lynndotpy 1y ago
    I am personally surprised this isn't [flagged] [dead] already, I would have anticipated that too. Political topics tend to be flagged immediately, even when the politics had clear and immediate implication for the tech community. Maybe this is a sign that consensus is shifting. It seems now that it's more politically risky to deny Israel's committing warcrimes than it is to acknowledge it. While I agree with much of what this blogpost says, I am surprised it's still up, especially since there doesn't seem to be much implication for the tech community, or discussion about what it means. (It is significant that one of the countries most central to the worldwide tech community is committing genocide and is increasingly seen as a pariah state, but even then, that is not what's being discussed here.) EDIT: I spoke to soon, this was [flagged] just as I posted my comment.
    - runarberg 1y ago
      What is also disappointing what goes unflagged in these threads. Early in the genocide, whenever I called it a genocide I got my post [flagged][dead], that happens less often now. But it is clear by now that anyone who engages in genocide denalism at this point has an extreme and hateful opinion which shouldn’t be allowed anywhere (including a tech forum). And yet frequently I come across these hateful posts which are left unflagged for days. I think this is a failure in moderation.
      - tomhow 1y ago
        > I think this is a failure in moderation. Thousands of comments are posted each day and there are two moderators. Have you emailed us about the bad comments you see?
        trustinmenowpls 1y ago
        Just to be clear, are you openly stating that you agree that someone who doesn't engage in blood libel will be banned?
        tomhow 1y ago
        Honestly, I'm just here to uphold the HN guidelines, which are pretty clear and simple. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        zhengiszen 1y ago
        With the likes like Palantir,human moderation will not be needed any more... Being peo human rights or antiwar will flag us directly for more nefarious goals...
        runarberg 1y ago
        I will do so in the future. I see that the posts I was calling out for this the past couple of days have been taken down now. I assume you did that. Thank you for that.
  - clipsy 1y ago
    It's currently flagged, so perhaps you should ask yourself the same question?
    - cwillu 1y ago
      It's not currently flagged, on my screen at least? And it still shows up in the regular list, although no longer the first page.
      - mandmandam 1y ago
        It was flagged, but was restored. Sadly, that's still a bit effective at suppressing the story. The flags often have the effect of pushing things off the front page, even when they're restored within an hour or so. Not always though: this story [0] from today is currently front page after having been flagged as well. Even temporary flagging also has the effect of diluting the conversation; so that instead of talking about war crimes, their perpetrators, or how to stop them, we're talking about flagging and algorithms. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44714221#44715661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44714221#44715661
- hnpolicestate 1y ago
  This was on page 1. I refreshed my browser and it vanished.
camdroidw 1y ago
[flagged]
- zhengiszen 1y ago
  CNN : For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human- https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-... https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
- leereeves 1y ago
  For the sake of mutual understanding, let's say Israel are the good guys, Hamas are terrorists, and the IDF is a righteous force whose only goal in Gaza is to capture terrorists. What happens to everyone else in Gaza? Is "starve them all" an acceptable response to a hostage situation?
  - g-b-r 1y ago
    Yes, the Israeli government seems convinced that hostages don't need to eat
zhengiszen 1y ago
CNN : For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-rights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-... https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
kayodelycaon 1y ago
The really strange thing is no one seems to be doing anything material against Israel. No real sanctions, etc. And it’s not because they are afraid of America. Some European countries stopped sending military supplies a while back. Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel. The only people taking meaningful action seems to be Iran and the terrorist groups they support. And that seems more opportunistic than anything else. Then again, who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :(
- joules77 1y ago
  Its not strange if you are keeping tabs on how many complex problems they haven't solved and made worse in the last few decades - https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-violent-exhaustion-of-liberal-democracy/ https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-violent-exhaustion...
- mandmandam 1y ago
  > it’s not because they are afraid of America. In some cases, it is precisely that. Ireland, for a fact, has been economically threatened for putting forward measures against Israel, ie [0]. We only know this because of investigative journalists, not mainstream media. Then you can look at America's sanctions against Francesca Albanese, and ICC judges [1], which has the additional effect of 'legally' allowing America to sanction anyone who supports them. Trump and Europe just signed a 'deal' which was basically just Europe promising to buy arms and LNG for the next 5 years, and pay more in tariffs, getting nothing in return. This is about as strong a suggestion that they are being threatened in some way that you could ask for. And then there's a huge range of threats coming from Israel itself, such as thinly veiled threats to not allow citizens out of various countries out of Gaza [2]. A majority of the people in European countries are aghast, horrified, traumatized by the daily atrocities being committed with the tacit backing of their political and media classes. The disconnect has never been quite so stark. > Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel. Again, all across Europe people are taking all the action they can; and are being brutally suppressed by state forces in response. Corporate and state media invert reality with a terrifying consistency, such as in Amsterdam with the football hooligans. In Germany peaceful protesters are being savagely beaten on the daily, and (illegally) threatened with deportation. In England, they are being charged as terrorists for holding signs supporting necessary Action in Palestine. Even in Ireland, long-time bastion of anti-colonialism, peaceful protesters have been strip searched, had their hijabs removed, and detained. We've been working for years to end trade with Israel, but somehow our trade has increased sharply the past couple years, and we're even selling Israeli bonds out of our Central Bank. There's a lot more going on here than apathy. > who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :( If you want to understand those conflicts, just follow the money. It always seems to lead right back to Western interests, after being washed in the UAE. The thing is, there is massive profit being made from these genocides. Trade routes, oil, land, arms development, funding, minerals, gold, political control, media control; there's something in it for all the oligarchs. 0 - https://www.ontheditch.com/us-ambassador-warned/ https://www.ontheditch.com/us-ambassador-warned/ 1 - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70rllxr0kyo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70rllxr0kyo 2 - https://x.com/wereontheditch/status/1768702362615460116 https://x.com/wereontheditch/status/1768702362615460116
metalman 1y ago
https://imgur.com/gallery/resistance-songs-threat-level-orange-earth-to-eve-1q6EWLA#6vOLb8s https://imgur.com/gallery/resistance-songs-threat-level-oran... singing what we cant say
- dh2022 1y ago
  This is amazing-thanks for sharing!
chrisg23 1y ago
Was there a very active thread that got locked and is now unsearchable? Same country, different but related accusations.

77 points by hackandthink 1y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committ...

zhengiszen 1y ago

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cwillu 1y ago
When it isn't, will you acknowledge you were wrong and change your predictions?
- zhengiszen 1y ago
  You didn't read the news ? The apartheid and the genocide must come to the end so that it ends the war. Then time for Justice can come.
- lynndotpy 1y ago
  I am personally surprised this isn't [flagged] [dead] already, I would have anticipated that too. Political topics tend to be flagged immediately, even when the politics had clear and immediate implication for the tech community. Maybe this is a sign that consensus is shifting. It seems now that it's more politically risky to deny Israel's committing warcrimes than it is to acknowledge it. While I agree with much of what this blogpost says, I am surprised it's still up, especially since there doesn't seem to be much implication for the tech community, or discussion about what it means. (It is significant that one of the countries most central to the worldwide tech community is committing genocide and is increasingly seen as a pariah state, but even then, that is not what's being discussed here.) EDIT: I spoke to soon, this was [flagged] just as I posted my comment.
  - runarberg 1y ago
    What is also disappointing what goes unflagged in these threads. Early in the genocide, whenever I called it a genocide I got my post [flagged][dead], that happens less often now. But it is clear by now that anyone who engages in genocide denalism at this point has an extreme and hateful opinion which shouldn’t be allowed anywhere (including a tech forum). And yet frequently I come across these hateful posts which are left unflagged for days. I think this is a failure in moderation.
    - tomhow 1y ago
      > I think this is a failure in moderation. Thousands of comments are posted each day and there are two moderators. Have you emailed us about the bad comments you see?
      - trustinmenowpls 1y ago
        Just to be clear, are you openly stating that you agree that someone who doesn't engage in blood libel will be banned?
        tomhow 1y ago
        Honestly, I'm just here to uphold the HN guidelines, which are pretty clear and simple. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        zhengiszen 1y ago
        With the likes like Palantir,human moderation will not be needed any more... Being peo human rights or antiwar will flag us directly for more nefarious goals...
      - runarberg 1y ago
        I will do so in the future. I see that the posts I was calling out for this the past couple of days have been taken down now. I assume you did that. Thank you for that.
- clipsy 1y ago
  It's currently flagged, so perhaps you should ask yourself the same question?
  - cwillu 1y ago
    It's not currently flagged, on my screen at least? And it still shows up in the regular list, although no longer the first page.
    - mandmandam 1y ago
      It was flagged, but was restored. Sadly, that's still a bit effective at suppressing the story. The flags often have the effect of pushing things off the front page, even when they're restored within an hour or so. Not always though: this story [0] from today is currently front page after having been flagged as well. Even temporary flagging also has the effect of diluting the conversation; so that instead of talking about war crimes, their perpetrators, or how to stop them, we're talking about flagging and algorithms. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44714221#44715661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44714221#44715661
hnpolicestate 1y ago
This was on page 1. I refreshed my browser and it vanished.

camdroidw 1y ago

[flagged]

zhengiszen 1y ago
CNN : For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human- https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-... https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
leereeves 1y ago
For the sake of mutual understanding, let's say Israel are the good guys, Hamas are terrorists, and the IDF is a righteous force whose only goal in Gaza is to capture terrorists. What happens to everyone else in Gaza? Is "starve them all" an acceptable response to a hostage situation?
- g-b-r 1y ago
  Yes, the Israeli government seems convinced that hostages don't need to eat

zhengiszen 1y ago

CNN : For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-rights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-... https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide

kayodelycaon 1y ago

The really strange thing is no one seems to be doing anything material against Israel. No real sanctions, etc. And it’s not because they are afraid of America. Some European countries stopped sending military supplies a while back. Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel. The only people taking meaningful action seems to be Iran and the terrorist groups they support. And that seems more opportunistic than anything else. Then again, who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :(

joules77 1y ago
Its not strange if you are keeping tabs on how many complex problems they haven't solved and made worse in the last few decades - https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-violent-exhaustion-of-liberal-democracy/ https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/the-violent-exhaustion...
mandmandam 1y ago
> it’s not because they are afraid of America. In some cases, it is precisely that. Ireland, for a fact, has been economically threatened for putting forward measures against Israel, ie [0]. We only know this because of investigative journalists, not mainstream media. Then you can look at America's sanctions against Francesca Albanese, and ICC judges [1], which has the additional effect of 'legally' allowing America to sanction anyone who supports them. Trump and Europe just signed a 'deal' which was basically just Europe promising to buy arms and LNG for the next 5 years, and pay more in tariffs, getting nothing in return. This is about as strong a suggestion that they are being threatened in some way that you could ask for. And then there's a huge range of threats coming from Israel itself, such as thinly veiled threats to not allow citizens out of various countries out of Gaza [2]. A majority of the people in European countries are aghast, horrified, traumatized by the daily atrocities being committed with the tacit backing of their political and media classes. The disconnect has never been quite so stark. > Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel. Again, all across Europe people are taking all the action they can; and are being brutally suppressed by state forces in response. Corporate and state media invert reality with a terrifying consistency, such as in Amsterdam with the football hooligans. In Germany peaceful protesters are being savagely beaten on the daily, and (illegally) threatened with deportation. In England, they are being charged as terrorists for holding signs supporting necessary Action in Palestine. Even in Ireland, long-time bastion of anti-colonialism, peaceful protesters have been strip searched, had their hijabs removed, and detained. We've been working for years to end trade with Israel, but somehow our trade has increased sharply the past couple years, and we're even selling Israeli bonds out of our Central Bank. There's a lot more going on here than apathy. > who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :( If you want to understand those conflicts, just follow the money. It always seems to lead right back to Western interests, after being washed in the UAE. The thing is, there is massive profit being made from these genocides. Trade routes, oil, land, arms development, funding, minerals, gold, political control, media control; there's something in it for all the oligarchs. 0 - https://www.ontheditch.com/us-ambassador-warned/ https://www.ontheditch.com/us-ambassador-warned/ 1 - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70rllxr0kyo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70rllxr0kyo 2 - https://x.com/wereontheditch/status/1768702362615460116 https://x.com/wereontheditch/status/1768702362615460116

metalman 1y ago

https://imgur.com/gallery/resistance-songs-threat-level-orange-earth-to-eve-1q6EWLA#6vOLb8s https://imgur.com/gallery/resistance-songs-threat-level-oran... singing what we cant say

dh2022 1y ago
This is amazing-thanks for sharing!

chrisg23 1y ago

Was there a very active thread that got locked and is now unsearchable? Same country, different but related accusations.