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It's a valid topic for discussion. Even as a foreigner who was in UK on a visa and eventually got ilr I'm still concerned about it. The current situation regar

It's a valid topic for discussion. Even as a foreigner who was in UK on a visa and eventually got ilr I'm still concerned about it. The current situation regarding small boats is not sustainable, particularly when it's proven that the majority are not fleeing persecution but are economic migrants. They're taking advantage of a system designed to help people in trouble, how could you defend that? And when does it end? Will the UK always accept small boats ad infinitum? I played by the (harsh) rules and got here legitimately. Why should I have bothered.

Arkhaine_kupo 1y ago
> It's a valid topic for discussion not on a thread about vpn useage > The current situation regarding small boats is not sustainable the current situation regarding small boats is the inevitable conclusion to a badly implemented brexit policy and a negligent tory party rule over 13 years. Startmer took 5 months in power to talk to France and have them agree to tackle it on their side of the water. Also no brexit, no boats. The anti immigration chest thumpers caused the problem and then scurried like rats. Farage was impossible to be found the year after brexit won, dude aws the face and suddenly wanted to part of the "glory"
- krona 1y ago
  > badly implemented brexit policy and a negligent tory party rule over 13 years. How about: 2018 - Sandhurst Treaty 2022 - Interior Ministers’/ Home Secretaries’ joint declaration of November 14th 2023 - UK-France Joint Leaders' Declaration Yes, these did nothing. Starmer's/Macron's joint declaration will also do nothing. If you don't understand why, try starting with the past 204 years of anglo/French relations.
- mhh__ 1y ago
  One of the topics being censored on twitter is footage of what many would call a side effect of migration.
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- hollerith 1y ago
  If we are going to start discouraging tangents on HN, which would be a drastic change, we're not going to do it selectively for topics you don't want to see discussed.
  - Arkhaine_kupo 1y ago
    >If we are going to start discouraging tangents on HN, which would be a drastic change This is straight from the guidelines "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. " Bringing up immigration policy in regards to a new internet identification legislation seems less like a "discourageable tangent" and more of an "overt breaking of one of the few enforceable rules of the site"
    - password54321 1y ago
      My advice is to read again and try to understand why it hasn't yet been flagged despite being up for hours with now 60 points.
      - Arkhaine_kupo 1y ago
        Sure, let me break it down. You attempted to dress up the point about increased survailance (low trust society -> increaed authoritarianism to control low trust society) which is tangentially related to the VPN regulation, in a number of far right buzz words. that gives it enough cover to not count as flamebait or politics, even though it arguably IS both of them and should be removed. The guy below you, whom I replied to, is nowhere as good at dogwhistles as you and straight up brought up the boat conversation, which has 0 to do with vpns and honestly its just "build a wall" but for the sea, a conversation so boringly transplanted from american media is almost not wroth discussing. You bragging about how you manged to say the things you shouldn't by talking around it and how many people either fell for it/or agree with you and know the dogwhistles is not something I would be proud of. Just to be perfectly clear, the far right is surging because the demands of the lower and middle class are ignored, in serving both old money aristocrats, landlords, media moguls and foreign oligarchs all of which are economical leeches. We are in a post Tatcher "there is no society" world, not in some kind of left kumbaya "we are the world" reality. The far right is up because they thrive in dog whistles and anger like you are riling up, good at burning down Reichstags more than building any sort of succesful society.
ujkiolp 1y ago
> Why should I have bothered. because you had the privilege to
hollerith 1y ago
ilr == indefinite leave to remain.

Arkhaine_kupo 1y ago

> It's a valid topic for discussion not on a thread about vpn useage > The current situation regarding small boats is not sustainable the current situation regarding small boats is the inevitable conclusion to a badly implemented brexit policy and a negligent tory party rule over 13 years. Startmer took 5 months in power to talk to France and have them agree to tackle it on their side of the water. Also no brexit, no boats. The anti immigration chest thumpers caused the problem and then scurried like rats. Farage was impossible to be found the year after brexit won, dude aws the face and suddenly wanted to part of the "glory"

krona 1y ago
> badly implemented brexit policy and a negligent tory party rule over 13 years. How about: 2018 - Sandhurst Treaty 2022 - Interior Ministers’/ Home Secretaries’ joint declaration of November 14th 2023 - UK-France Joint Leaders' Declaration Yes, these did nothing. Starmer's/Macron's joint declaration will also do nothing. If you don't understand why, try starting with the past 204 years of anglo/French relations.
mhh__ 1y ago
One of the topics being censored on twitter is footage of what many would call a side effect of migration.
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hollerith 1y ago
If we are going to start discouraging tangents on HN, which would be a drastic change, we're not going to do it selectively for topics you don't want to see discussed.
- Arkhaine_kupo 1y ago
  >If we are going to start discouraging tangents on HN, which would be a drastic change This is straight from the guidelines "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. " Bringing up immigration policy in regards to a new internet identification legislation seems less like a "discourageable tangent" and more of an "overt breaking of one of the few enforceable rules of the site"
  - password54321 1y ago
    My advice is to read again and try to understand why it hasn't yet been flagged despite being up for hours with now 60 points.
    - Arkhaine_kupo 1y ago
      Sure, let me break it down. You attempted to dress up the point about increased survailance (low trust society -> increaed authoritarianism to control low trust society) which is tangentially related to the VPN regulation, in a number of far right buzz words. that gives it enough cover to not count as flamebait or politics, even though it arguably IS both of them and should be removed. The guy below you, whom I replied to, is nowhere as good at dogwhistles as you and straight up brought up the boat conversation, which has 0 to do with vpns and honestly its just "build a wall" but for the sea, a conversation so boringly transplanted from american media is almost not wroth discussing. You bragging about how you manged to say the things you shouldn't by talking around it and how many people either fell for it/or agree with you and know the dogwhistles is not something I would be proud of. Just to be perfectly clear, the far right is surging because the demands of the lower and middle class are ignored, in serving both old money aristocrats, landlords, media moguls and foreign oligarchs all of which are economical leeches. We are in a post Tatcher "there is no society" world, not in some kind of left kumbaya "we are the world" reality. The far right is up because they thrive in dog whistles and anger like you are riling up, good at burning down Reichstags more than building any sort of succesful society.

ujkiolp 1y ago

> Why should I have bothered. because you had the privilege to

hollerith 1y ago

ilr == indefinite leave to remain.