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iPhone customers upset by Apple Wallet ad pushing F1 movie
- p_ing 1y ago'Upset' is too strong of a word, but perhaps 'why is Apple pushing ads in my OS when /r/apple said they didn't do that?'.
- nixosbestos 1y agoI mean, forget reddit, look where are are... I regularly have people insist that Android is more full of ads than iOS. Given that I never, ever, see ads outside of sponsored spots in Play Store, fine-grained notification permissions+channels and given I have real uBlock Origin... anyway, there's a reason I told myself to stop participating in any of this discourse.
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- cma 1y agoAll Apple devices with a store have ads, sponsored listings putting what you didn't search for at the top, even Apple TV which most people say they like because it doesn't have ads.
- jajuuka 1y agoMarketing a hell of a drug. You can have Apple advertise Apple One in settings and people don't bat an eye. Ad for M365 in the Start Menu though and it's "start menu now showing ads" articles all over. It's all a part of OS tribal warfare to turn consumers into free marketing and advocates.
- latexr 1y ago> You can have Apple advertise Apple One in settings and people don't bat an eye. That’s not true at all. The same people complaining about this push notification complain just as much about those Settings ads.
- bitpush 1y agoThe important takeaway for me is that Apple Wallet has ads? I guess enshittification comes for the best of them. UPDATE: Ugh, just saw that this isnt even an ad inside the app. This was a fucking push notification. ew.
- jasonlotito 1y agoIt was also inside the app. At the top.
- lordleft 1y agoI just saw this today and was shocked; I have disabled notifications for many apps because they sent an errant ad in-between more necessary messages. I personally would love it if Apple would allow for some kind of filtering of 'offers' vs substantive notifications across iOS, but this gives me less hope of that ever happening.
- KMnO4 1y agoUgh, I’ve been wanting this forever. I DON’T want Uber Eats to tell me I should order pizza tonight. I do want to know when the delivery driver is outside.
- jallmann 1y agoUber is blatantly abusing push notifications for marketing, it is so bad ... for smaller apps this would be an App Store ToS violation and grounds for removal. The double standard with larger apps is very upsetting.
- tensor 1y agoYeah I turned off all uber app notifications. It's pretty annoying as now I don't know when the food has come or when the driver is here, but the amount of ads I will tolerate is exactly zero.
- joshstrange 1y agoThis 100%. Hell, give me a way to write code to filter notifications and I'll do it myself. I get so frustrated by apps that I need notifications on for but I don't want marketing BS, unfortunately there is no middle ground. On top of filtering Apple should force app developers to segment their push notifications and allow users to block different types. This would be completely in line with Apple's _stated_ priorities and a great thing to advertise (I can imagine the commercials for it already).
- krackers 1y agoI think you can do this on Android (or at least you used to be able to with Tasker when rooted, since it has [used to have] the ability to read notifications and dismiss notifications)
- ShakataGaNai 1y agoThis annoyed me. Any app that pushes me adverts gets its push notifications turned off. Sure, I'd love to know my package status Amazon, but you send me some advert of something stupid every 3 hours (it feels like)... so no, you don't get notifications. I get enough advertising in my life, without it constantly assaulting me every time I check my watch or phone lock screen. So no Apple Wallet, you do not get to keep your notification privileges.
- lambdasquirrel 1y agoYeah this is not what I pay the Apple premium for.
- monero-xmr 1y agoHave you tried to use Windows lately? I have one for a media PC. It's so insanely terrible, the ads, the popups, the nags, the dark patterns. Microsoft has given up on personal desktops, just milking the elderly with scams. Terrible
- paxys 1y agoWhat does that have to do with Apple?
- idle_zealot 1y agoMore just the state of the world. Apple doesn't need to be squeaky clean to justify a premium price tag. It only needs to be better enough that discerning customers pick it over the outrageously awful alternatives. Market forces at work, racing to the bottom of tolerability.
- fsflover 1y agoDid you maybe hear about the third option, apart from the duopoly?
- mrcwinn 1y agoDon't worry, Apple just cares so hard about customers. This F1 ad is good for us.
- wronglebowski 1y agoThe line must go up, forever. No matter the cost.
- m463 1y agoI don't think forever... There has got to be a "laffer curve" for "attention tax" revenue.
- ASalazarMX 1y agoConsider it another emotionally engaging experience.
- jajuuka 1y ago"The ad is there to protect your privacy. We really care about your privacy. We promise."
- Mistletoe 1y agoI will go to the F1 movie playing this sweet U2 song that came on my phone.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 1y agoApple wouldn't have placed the ad if they didn't do the analysis to determine (most) users wouldn't mind. This isn't some intern adding it as a summer project; these decisions go through large rounds of discussions at any FAANG company.
- gommm 1y agoThey pushed the U2 album a few years ago and had that blow over their face when they realized that people actually did mind. And when it comes to doing the analysis, how do they determine that users don't mind? Focus groups?
- recursivedoubts 1y agoif you want a vision of the future, winston, imagine watching a unskippable ad before your smartlock allows you into your house... forever
- xnorswap 1y agoBut you'll have the "freedom" to "choose" to pay a premium to get an ad-free version of the lock.
- thrill 1y agoIf you pay it in monthly installments then your social^h^h^h^h^h^h credit score will be impacted.
- happymellon 1y ago*Premium version may also contain ads.
- BitwiseFool 1y agoYou can simply disable these by paying for the monthly SmartHome One™ Plus subscription.
- JadeNB 1y agoOh, sorry, due to agreements with providers, SmartHome One™ Plus still requires a limited number of curated ads in certain markets.
- qwerpy 1y agoApple News and the Stocks app do exactly this. It's happy to clutter up your news feed with subscriber-only articles, despite knowing that you don't have a subscription. Predictably there's no option to not show subscriber-only articles. So there was a workaround: you can block individual news providers, so you can block all of the subscriber-only ones. But now when you block one, it says "If you block XYZ, News will stop showing stories from this channel, except when selected by the Apple News editors". Ridiculous. If I go to the trouble of blocking a site, that means I don't want to see anything from them, ever.
- iw7tdb2kqo9 1y agoI bought a Xiaomi phone (poco) for the first time in my life. I am furious about system app showing Ad. If I want to change wallpaper, ringtone, it will show full page Ads. Even file manager app shows Ads. Wallpaper and ringtone apps are pure garbage.
- Fluorescence 1y agoI have zero tolerance for ads but have happily used a Poco for years. IMHO you only buy one knowing you won't use some of the default apps. Choose alternatives and you never see a Xiaomi ad. It's a minor nuisance to get amazing bang for buck. You'll probably prefer your choice because you can cater to your taste e.g. dual pane or whatever. I think I use one called File Manager from fdroid but there is more than one with that name. I probably use termux more. No app can beat a terminal and scripts! I don't touch wallpapers/ringtones. I do boil with fury at ads in Google Pay though. Anyone know a fix?
- rchaud 1y agoThe fix is to not use an app for making payments. Say what you will about Visa/MC but they can't show ads on the piece of plastic I tap to make payments. And they pay me $500 in cash back annually for the privilege of seeing what I'm buying.
- verytrivial 1y agoThanks. That's a perma-ban for that company from me.
- instagib 1y agoNotifications off. Movie must be bad if they have to push advertising this hard.
- jajuuka 1y agoWell it's a movie they spent an insane amount of money on and racing movies (especially on something places like the US don't even follow) aren't huge box office hits. It was a colossal mistake to keep making that movie but Apple is bound to make the most money they can back on it. There is a reason they opened WWDC with an ad for it.
- iAMkenough 1y agoI wonder if Formula One is planning to license the special cameras Apple built for their cars.
- nottorp 1y agoSo... if iPhones are ad supported now, it means they're going to be free right? Riiiight?
- OsrsNeedsf2P 1y agoTo be fair, iPhones have been a really good deal for a while now.
- add-sub-mul-div 1y agoApple has sold its customers' traffic to Google for tens of billions of dollars, I don't think there's a connection between this and the price of the hardware.
- jgrahamc 1y agoI mean, at least they didn't give us a free U2 album. I used that event as the starting point for a talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjb1H_j8D8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjb1H_j8D8
- delfinom 1y agoHahahahahaha -- Android user
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- meindnoch 1y agoRemember that undeletable U2 album?
- kgwgk 1y agoU2, F1, there is a pattern.
- UI_at_80x24 1y agoYou sank my battleship!
- JadeNB 1y agoIt's a long game for the Weird Al Yankovic tie-in, but I'll take it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_(film)
- kps 1y agoQ0 is next.
- LocalH 1y agoF U 1 2
- ryao 1y agoThe stocks application containing Apple News+ content has been a source of annoyance too. I had been initially reacted by reporting the Apple News+ content. Then Apple removed the report option for it.
- martian 1y agoAlso annoyed by this. One small thing to help: if you long press on the Stocks widget, you can edit to hide the "Stories".
- ryao 1y agoIf you search the titles online, you can read the Apple News+ articles for free at places like msn, which makes it strange that they try to paywall them in the Stocks application. :/
- qwerpy 1y agoI was just complaining about this in my previous comment. You can block entire "channels" e.g. WSJ and others, who serve News+ content. But now Apple weasels out of it by telling you "Fine we'll block stories from here, unless our editors decide to feature a story, in which case you'll still see it". Really disappointing to see Apple go this way. Now our only choices are devices with adware or expensive devices with mild (but worsening) adware.
- Apocryphon 1y agoNot only is this annoying, it's tacky. Jobs is lionized too much but this is the sort of thing I doubt that he'd ever approve.
- orangepanda 1y agoU2, Brutus? -- Steve Jobs, probably
- kikokikokiko 1y agoThis quip shouldn't be as good as it is. It will be a great adition to the corpus of LLM humorous dad jokes.
- calmbonsai 1y agoBad move Apple. You're really showing your finance desperation with this property with all of the ridiculous "F1" media buys. It makes you look weak. Even Brad Pitt with the, very convenient, "AA confession" timing is so gauche. I don't care what the app is. The split second it starts using notifications to send unsolicited marketing, it's notification privileges are revoked and I seriously consider deleting it. And I run very few apps to begin with. "It's better in the app" is, usually, just "better for the publisher" and, rarely, for the user. Use the web unless there's no other option or the app affordances (e.g. real-time navigation, health monitoring) are too valuable.
- microtonal 1y agoIt's really annoying that most web pages/apps are constantly shoving 'use the app' buttons in your face. Of course, they can often be blocked, but it's somewhat infuriating.
- bydo 1y agoWe really need more granular notification settings already. I want to to know when my Lyft is arriving. I want to know when my food's been delivered. I don't want to know that I can get 10% off something for the next hour. Apparently in the new beta the Wallet app actually does let you disable promotional notifications, so that's a start. Now do every other app.
- pwdisswordfishz 1y agoThis is just going to encourage advertisers to misuse the "urgent" channel you did not block to deliver advertisements you would rather block.
- idle_zealot 1y agoAnd that'll get your dev account terminated. Enforcing correct use of user-empowering platform features is one of the handful of good arguments for centralized app distribution.
- somanyphotons 1y agoI'm sick of all the ads in the Apple Wallet app, and in the Setting app. If I want ads I'll watch a superbowl replay.
- SirMaster 1y agoIn iOS 26 you can turn off notifications about promotions and offers in the wallet app. https://preview.redd.it/swgszo2ptw8f1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4ffa8d9fc165a0a16fd02cf36b6022365b385bf https://preview.redd.it/swgszo2ptw8f1.jpeg?width=1206&format...
- tomComb 1y agoThat does make it better, but it’s getting so tiring, trying to find those settings for all the different apps, and figuring out whether you can adjust them without losing something you really want. And what’s worse is that the companies always seem to find a way to reset it to what they want quite frequently. One of their tricks is to reorganize permissions frequently so the ones that allow their spam to get through are always new
- microflash 1y agoMaybe it is time for Apple Intelligence to automatically ignore promotional notifications from apps...but why would Apple do that may be actually helpful?
- AJ007 1y agoYou can, for now.
- matthewmacleod 1y agoGiven that it is currently now, that is all that matters.
- taylodl 1y agoDid everyone get this? I just opened my wallet and there's no F1 ad there.
- subjectsigma 1y agoI didn’t get a notification but I did see a banner at the top. It honestly took me a second to realize it was an ad. I think that’s actually worse because people won’t have as negative of a reaction to it, and they should.
- AJ007 1y agoApple has lost the Google deal and the ability to force apps to pay them 30% of sales. Both were ultra high margin. Apple is going to replace that lost revenue by filling the iPhone up with ads.
- oehpr 1y agoSo, hypothetically here, say Apple was still extracting extortionate rents: Why wouldn't they just choose to make more money with ads?
- OsrsNeedsf2P 1y agoAnother Apple hit piece. Android OEMs do this nonstop, Apple has one push notification and it's HN front page?
- 123yawaworht456 1y agoAndroid OEMs don't have triple digit markups
- qwerpy 1y agoYes because many of us pay the Apple premium specifically to avoid buying devices from an ad company.
- animatethrow 1y agoAt least with Windows one can 100% disable start menu ads using either gpedit or regedit. A major reason I switched from iOS to Android are the much more powerful adblocking options for browsers (Brave, Firefox, etc.). On Android I can use F-Droid and Aurora Store and install a bunch of Google Play Store apps without a Google account. I can use a proper terminal with a real filesystem and git.
- cadamsdotcom 1y agoI’m getting close to switching after over 16 years as a happy iPhone user.. what downsides have you faced in the switch?
- animatethrow 1y agoOnly downside is no blue bubbles texting family, ha ha. Seriously, the switch was easy. My Samsung phone included a migration app that transferred over all photos and other important stuff from my old iPhone. I love the Samsung S-Pen, something you can't get on iPhone.
- latexr 1y agoSamsung is doing considerably worse than showing ads in notifications. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44358999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44358999
- animatethrow 1y agoOne can choose to have neither a Samsung Account nor a Google Account on a Samsung phone, as I have done, and use F-Droid and Aurora Store as I mentioned in a parent comment. The linked video shows that all the settings needed to disable the bad behavior are already included on the device with a nice UI. Meanwhile with an iPhone one is stuck with the App Store and Apple can and has remotely deleted apps. Apple has deleted data tethering apps. Apple has deleted the VPN apps of Chinese users. Apple also is trying to memory hole that time it was going to scan one's private photos on one's own phone. It's very clear iPhone users do not have the final say over who ultimately controls their devices.
- joshstrange 1y agoWelcome to the most ignored (even by Apple) App Store guideline [0] > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges. Specifically: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Literally NO apps follow this rule but Apple doesn't care, it's really annoying since they randomly pull out one of these guidelines to smack you with during app review but it's completely unclear which ones are actually enforced until you get hit with one. Even then, enforcement is uneven (understatement of the century). [0] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
- rchaud 1y ago"I did not pay $1000+ to be advertised to" says one of the tweets. It doesn't matter what you paid. The whole point of a software "ecosystem" is to drop the user into a food chain, with "shareholder value" as the apex predator. Paying more doesn't buy you better protection. Channeling your purchases through their payments system just makes you a fatter target.
- butlike 1y agoI'm the guy the ad worked on and was considering buying tickets this way (partially cause I was considering seeing the movie anyways). That being said, it's annoying AF. Notifications should be for 'HEY! you deemed this important enough to drop everything and be alerted.' Timers, banking, travel, changes in itineraries, etc.
- claw-el 1y agoThis is like Apple promoting Apple fitness in the ‘Settings’ app. Apple is facing a challenge of balancing their desire to grow their non-device revenue and maintaining the satisfaction of their devices customers.
- danielscrubs 1y agoWhat did Steve Jobs say? Your mobile should be respected as much as a diary? And then we got a pencil pusher.
- kotaKat 1y agoIt's almost as if Apple wants to do literally everything except make hardware and software these days. Apple, you're a computer company, not a media production firm. Cut the stupid shit with TV+.
- firefax 1y agoThis is the phone equivalent of those screens on gas pumps that blare ads. Unlike a gas station, it's much harder to switch phones :/
- more_corn 1y agoI can think of no better way to destroy customer trust.