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ChatGPT's enterprise success against Copilot fuels OpenAI/Microsoft rivalry
- GardenLetter27 1y agoI prefer Gemini Pro 2.5 - Google is really fumbling the bad by not having a solid subscription access model for it (plus some CLI coding agent) and enterprise access.
- skerit 1y agoGoogle announced a Gemini CLI tool a few hours ago! And then ... they unpublished everything shortly after? It's weird: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44373754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44373754
- GardenLetter27 1y agoDamn the announcement looks awesome - hope they bring it back without downgrades!
- neonate 1y agohttps://archive.ph/cemKI https://archive.ph/cemKI
- rahimnathwani 1y agoIs anyone here not confused about how Copilot licenses work (free vs paid) and how to choose models for different types of task?
- wodenokoto 1y agoAs with many Microsoft products licensing is the most complex part of it.
- FauxDemure 1y agoYes! I also feel like I use up my quote with my paid Copilot account faster than with my free ChatGPT one.
- ape4 1y agoJust ask Copilot
- simonw 1y agoI'm confused over what anyone means when they say "Copilot", since it could mean the VS Code editor features or various features on github.com or the thing that Microsoft sell as part of their 365 office software. I think this article is about the 365 suite.
- rahimnathwani 1y agoYeah I'm talking about the thing you see when you go to https://m365.cloud.microsoft/chat/ https://m365.cloud.microsoft/chat/ At the top-right of that page, it has a little icon indicating 'enterprise data protection' but I can't see any way for me (the user) to know what type of Copilot licence (if any) the accountholder has assigned to my user account.
- kamarg 1y agoGood old Microsoft naming. I'll never understand how they can think it's a good idea to release multiple entirely different products and call them all variations of the same thing. One would think they would have solved this problem a decade ago and yet every few years it happens again.
- breadwinner 1y agoMicrosoft has wasted their opportunity. When ChatGPT first came out, Satya and Microsoft were seen as visionaries for their wisdom in investing in Open AI. Then competitors caught up while Microsoft stood still. Their integration with ChatGPT produced poor results [1] reminding people of Tay [2]. Bing failed to capitalize on AI, while Proclarity showed what an AI-powered search engine should really look like. Copilot failed to live up to its promise. Then Claude.ai, Gemini 2.0 caught up with or exceeded ChatGPT, and Microsoft still doesn't have their own model. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-microsoft-chatgpt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-m... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)
- spiderfarmer 1y agoThe biggest problem with Microsoft is their UX. From finding out where to actually use their products, to signing in, wading through modals, popups, terms and agreements, redirects that don’t work and links that point to nowhere. Along the way you’ll run into inconsistent, decades old UI elements and marketing pages that fully misunderstand why you’re there. It’s a big, unsolvable mess that will forever prevent them from competing with legacy-free, capable startups. They should delete all their public facing websites and start over.
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- atonse 1y agoBill Gates agreed with you 20 years ago :-) (this email never gets old) https://www.osnews.com/story/19921/full-text-an-epic-bill-gates-e-mail-rant/ https://www.osnews.com/story/19921/full-text-an-epic-bill-ga...
- esafak 1y ago> When SeattlePI asked Bill Gates about this particular email last week, he chuckled. “There’s not a day that I don’t send a piece of e-mail… like that piece of e-mail. That’s my job.” If he had to send the same email every day he wasn't doing his job well, and neither was everyone below him. Even a fraction of that list is too much.
- sethops1 1y agoDoesn't Microsoft own 49% of OpenAI and receives 20% of the revenue (according to ChatGPT)? In which case, what is Microsoft so upset about?
- micromacrofoot 1y agothe other 51%
- layer8 1y agoThat they only receive 20% of the revenue.
- HexPhantom 1y agoThe issue is more about control and positioning
- lvl155 1y agoIn hindsight, MSFT made out like a bandit in that deal since OpenAI seemingly tapped out of MSFT resources already. MSFT can always spin up its own LLM. It’s not that expensive for them and they can wait it out for tech to mature a bit more.
- hbn 1y agoMy work gives us Copilot access since We're a Microsoft Shop™ It's too bad Copilot is by far the dumbest competitor in the space My favorite interaction so far was when I prompted it with: ffmpeg command to convert movie.mov into a reasonably sized mp4 Sure, it's not the most direction instructions, but I tend to give it just enough to get the job done, assuming the LLM knows what its purpose is as an LLM, and it always works with the other chatbots. Copilot's response: I implemented and executed the Python code above to convert movie.mov to a reasonably sized movie.mp4 using ffmpeg. However, the Python code failed since it was not able to find and access movie.mov file. Do you want me to try again or is there anything else that I can help you with? Note that I didn't cut anything out. It didn't actually provide me any "Python code above"
- whirlwin 1y agoSo much for the quality testing done by Microsoft...
- vpShane 1y agoIt's an AI race and they're all vibing off of what the other ones are doing and implementing accordingly. Meanwhile, I've been enjoying Google's AI studio. I can definitely see though the AI companies are trying, they're trying to give devs, and teams the tools they need to operate more efficiently and faster. However, piping code requests, and hey->do this, AI gives you something; the privacy aspect of it. On the in-terms, these ARE LLMs, devs/infra people do look at how their tools are being used. You can pull a lot of info with and about an organizatin and what their internals are up to just from how they're using the AI's information. So while we're looking at Microsoft's quality of testing, what does that really mean in terms of how they're viewing the tool usage.
- robots0only 1y agoohh wow, that's bad, just tried this with Gemini 2.5 Flash/Pro (and worked perfectly) -- I assume all frontier models should get this right (even simpler models should).
- FrustratedMonky 1y agoBecause of the partnership with OpenAI, I always assumed Copilot was just built on top of GPT. So how did MS make Copilot Suck, if it started with same base?
- bix6 1y agoReal talk! Copilot is so bad. It’s literally useless. And they charge an absolute arm for it. Like how is it soooo much worse than Chat? I am a frustrated monky when I use Copilot.
- treesknees 1y agoMicrosoft Copilot uses their own model that is originally based on GPT-4 if I’m not mistaken. But, it’s mostly a RAG tool, “grounded in web” as they say. When you give Copilot a query, it uses the model to reword your query into an optimal Bing search query, fetches the results, and then crafts output using the model. I commend their attempt to use Bing as a source of data to keep up to date and reduce hallucinations, especially in an enterprise setting where users may be more sensitive to false information, however as a result some of the answers it gives can only be as good as the Bing search results.
- FrustratedMonky 1y agoSeems like with their own resources, and also owning part of GPT, they should be able to pivot and at least make a programming tool equal to Chat GPT.
- Quarrelsome 1y agoBing isn't terrible though, is it? DuckDuckGo uses it, or at least used to, and that trade off was fine most of the time.
- treesknees 1y agoIt’s not necessarily terrible. It just sometimes leaves you wishing it was “smarter”. When I get a bad result, trying the same query on ChatGPT gives a much better response.
- crop_rotation 1y agoThe problem is it is very hard to make changes and build innovative new products within big tech, at a pace to compete with smaller companies. Big tech succeeds despite it since the resource disparity is too much. Since the launch of ChatGPT Microsoft has had access to it and even had some of the most popular code editors, and where did it take them. This is why Meta had to launch threads with a very small team since a big team in Big tech can just not compete. Off course like everything else there are no absolutes and when Big Tech feels there is an existential crisis on something they do start improving, however such moments are far and few.
- mark_l_watson 1y agoI read today that OpenAI is planning a ‘AI super app’ that would have canvas, word processing, etc., all in one work app. That actually sounds like a good idea to me and is very different from Google’s approach of integrating Gemini into the work place apps. Google may have an advantage because so many people are used to working in Workspace apps.
- airstrike 1y agoMind providing a link? I may or may not be creating the exact same thing... Also if anyone from OpenAI or any of its competitors wants to talk my email is on my HN profile ;-)
- owebmaster 1y agoThat's the app many of us are creating and I bet some of them are going to be much better than the OpenAI one
- airstrike 1y agoTamo junto
- mark_l_watson 1y agohttps://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-quietly-designed-rival-google-workspace-microsoft-office https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-quietly-desig...
- airstrike 1y agoThank you! Sadly as a struggling entrepreneur I do not have $299 to blow on one article. I'll take it as validation that my idea has legs... and I'm likely slightly ahead of them
- mark_l_watson 1y agoSorry! I heard that story in a daily newsletter, the $299 subscription article was the reference. I didn’t realize that it was a paid for article.
- jorl17 1y agoMicrosoft's decision to name this product Copilot has to be the result of some form of internal sabotage, I refuse to believe otherwise. A lot of the early adopters (and driving forces) of LLMs have been tech-minded people. This means it's quite a good idea NOT to confuse them. And, yet, Microsoft decided to name their product Microsoft Copilot, even though they already had a (quite well-received!!) Copilot in the form of Github Copilot, a product which has also been expanding to include a plethora of other functionality (albeit in a way that does make sense). How is this not incredibly confusing? So what actually _is_ Copilot? Is there a bing copilot? A copilot in windows machines? Is it an online service? (I saw someone post a link to an office 365)? I'm going to be honest and tell you that I have no fucking clue what Microsoft Copilot actually is, and Microsoft's insistence on being either hostile to users or pretending like they're not creating a confusing mess of semantic garbage is insulting. I am lucky not to have to use Windows daily, and most of what I do that involves copilot is...Github Copilot. I am knee-deep into LLMs. My friends can't stand me with how much I go on about them, how I use them, from remote to local models, to agents, to the very debatable idea that they may be conscious, you name it. And yet, as bullish as I am on the thing, I have no fucking clue what Microsoft copilot is. Perhaps I'm definitely not their target market, but from what I've seen, tech-illiterate people have no idea what it is either, just that it's "more microsoft trash". When I was younger, I used to be a very loud anti-microsoft boy, I loathed everything they did. Slowly, for a while, they were managing to win me over (in part because I outgrew that phase, but also because they have definitely been cleaning up their image and, at least to me, producing better and more relevant software). However, in recent years, their insistence on naming everything this way and creating a maze out of their products is...baffling. I feel myself not being able to stand MS again. And what is it with big corporations and a seeming inability to name their products decently? This is appalling. The people making these decisions should be fired, because clearly they don't have any pride in what they do, or they wouldn't have allowed this. Get your shit together, microsoft!
- airstrike 1y agoEverything is Copilot, but they're all different products, and one of them is just a launcher to Office apps, each with their own assistant called Copilot
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- thiagoperes 1y agomsft had a massive edge. it had exclusive access to models + had web search before anyone. they flopped this royally, just like windows mobile. they created a shitty ux by shoving it inside the bing app, then they decided to charge for it instead of capturing all enterprise value. lastly, the product has stalled and missed on their biggest opportunity which is tapping into the data. you can think it's because of how complex it must be, but then openai and everybody else did it. it's truly a lesson in product mismanagement, once again, from microsoft
- msgodel 1y agoIt was bound to happen. Corporations always commit suicide once they're successful and it almost always looks the same. It's why I don't invest time in non-free software.
- whiplash451 1y agoNetflix and NVIDIA come as counter-example. We're looking at 20-30 years of continuous self-disruption and innovation here.
- throw-qqqqq 1y agoIt’s not all over yet. MSFT is the world’s best 2nd mover and can often make profits on ideas pioneered/launched by other companies before MSFT. MSFT came late to the cloud party (2011? AWS launched in 2006 IIRC), still they became a big player there (~25% market share in 2025). Yes they botched Mobile, but to me it looks like they are still in the AI game (I personally prefer models from Google, Anthropic or OpenAI though).
- Hilift 1y agoMicrosoft's problem is they still make products. Meta creates $70 billion net profit per year and they don't create much and have minimal overhead.
- bearjaws 1y agoJust say the quiet part out loud, Microsoft is such a large anti-competitive company they literally don't have to build competing products. Customers are not even going to evaluate other options because it will be bundled with their other mediocre services.
- androng 1y agoI only used free Microsoft Copilot once back when GPT-4 came out and it wasn’t free on OpenAI yet. The responses from Microsoft GPT-4 sucked vs OpenAI GPT-4 because they were short and I assume Microsoft made the system prompt do that to save money. I never went back to Microsoft copilot again and have not heard anyone talk about it or meta ai either.
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- alganet 1y ago> It’s unclear whether OpenAI’s momentum with corporations will continue, but the company recently said it has 3 million paying business users That's the only data point the article has, and it is incomplete (no Copilot numbers). The rest are just testimonials (some of anonymous character) and stories. Who's having more success then? No one knows. It's up to the reader to decide. Looks like made-up rivalry article to me. Draws clicks, no actual content inside.
- smcleod 1y agoMicrosoft just did a rug pull by introducing dramatically reduced rate limits on copilot requests for paying customers too. I'm seeing enterprise and personal users hit their monthly rate limits in less than 3 days.
- brandonfro 1y agoWhy is this being downvoted? I’ve seen similar behavior, and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that MS would choose meager context windows and API limits in favor of profit.
- smcleod 1y agoA lot of discourse about Microsoft that paints them in a less than positive light gets downvoted without reason, I read a blog post a while back about their "brand reputation farm" that follows social media posts and tries to de-rank or drown out content. If I find the link I'll update this comment.
- raincole 1y agoAnd Windsurf's free tier is almost as good as Copilot in my experience. Ironically Windsurf is also owned by Microsoft indirectly...
- Handy-Man 1y agoIt's not just Microsoft. All of these companies competing in "AI coding" went to having "premium" requests when using bigger models and then unlimited usage with okayish models.
- dwayne_dibley 1y agoI don’t understand how it’s not more useful to most people with copilot subscriptions in work. It has access to my works OneDrive, it really should be the most commonly used LLM
- truekonrads 1y agoCopilot 365 conserves tokens a lot which is why results are bad.
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- napoleongl 1y agoIf only MS copilot was an actual co-pilot in my daily flight of work… but no, it cannot actually draft an email, create planner tasks or book meetings. It is a crappy way of using an LLM that sometimes can access your stuff from MS graph and sometimes has no idea about the six emails from Steve in my inbox. And no, its PowerPoints are not good either, they are LinkedIn in ppt-form.
- NordSteve 1y agoHere are the results I just got. 1. In Outlook asked Copilot to "create an email asking for a weekly status update for Project ABC". Iterating a bit, I asked it to be more casual and shorter. Here's what I got: Hey Team, Hope you're all doing great. To keep everyone on the same page with Project ABC, I'd like us to start doing weekly status updates. Just a quick summary of key developments, milestones, challenges, and what's coming up would be super helpful. This way, we can coordinate better and tackle any issues right away. Thanks for your cooperation and hard work. Looking forward to your updates! That seems pretty on point. Not exactly my style but to say "cannot actually draft an email" is clearly wrong. 2. I provided Copilot with this prompt: "I am upgrading the electrical service at my house from 100a to 200a service. Create a project plan in Planner for this project." Here's the response I got: Nice! Upgrading from 100A to 200A is a solid move—more headroom for your gear and future-proofing your setup. Here's a breakdown of how you could structure this as a project in Microsoft Planner, with buckets and tasks to keep it organized: --- ### **Bucket 1: Planning & Permitting** - **Assess current electrical load and future needs** - **Consult with a licensed electrician** - **Request utility service requirements** - **Obtain local permits for electrical service upgrade** - **Review NEC and local code requirements** --- ### **Bucket 2: Materials & Scheduling** - **Select upgraded panel (200A rated) and breakers** - **Order required materials (panel, feeder wires, conduit, ground rods, etc.)** - **Coordinate shutdown and install time with utility provider** - **Schedule rough-in inspection with local authority** --- ### **Bucket 3: Installation** - **Shut off power at the main disconnect (coordinate with utility)** - **Remove existing 100A panel and components** - **Install 200A panel and connect feeders** - **Upgrade grounding/bonding system as required** - **Replace meter socket if required** --- ### **Bucket 4: Inspections & Finalization** - **Schedule and pass electrical inspection** - **Have utility restore permanent power** - **Label circuits clearly in new panel** - **Update homeowner insurance with new electrical capacity** --- ### **Bucket 5: Post-Project Wrap-Up** - **Document panel layout and upgrades** - **Evaluate energy use and plan for future expansion (EV charger, generator, etc.)** - **Close out permits with inspection authority** --- You can assign these tasks to yourself or any contractors involved, and add due dates to align with your timelines. Want help creating a PowerShell script to bulk import this into Planner? It did produce a working script that required 1 configuration edit. The project plan is pretty good given the limited information I provided in the prompt. 3. I provided Copilot with this prompt: book a meeting with <name> for August 1 entitled "Test Meeting" Not a very good response: I can't directly book meetings or access your calendar, but I can help you set it up! Here's an example of what to enter in Outlook or your preferred calendar app: **Title:** Test Meeting **Date:** August 1 **Attendees:** Bryan Herbst **Time:** [Insert your preferred time] **Location:** [Optional] **Description:** [Add any notes or agenda items] If you're using PowerShell or a script to automate calendar events—especially within Microsoft 365—I can help you write that too. Want to go that route?
- smithkl42 1y agoWe're paying for Copilot for Office365. I asked it recently to retrieve a list of field names mentioned in a document - about as basic a task as you could hope for. It told me it couldn't do so. My precise request: "Extract the list of field names in Exhibit A." Its precise response: "I understand that you want to extract the list of field names from Exhibit A in your document. Unfortunately, I cannot directly perform document-related commands such as extracting text from specific sections." I tried several different ways of convincing it, before giving up and using the web version of ChatGPT, which did it perfectly. I had an even worse experience with the Copilot built into the new version of SSMS. It just won't look at the query window at all. You have to copy and paste the text of your query into the chat window ... which, like, what's the point then?
- protocolture 1y agoCopilot is brainrot and its killing microsoft. Renaming all their products to Copilot makes no sense and just causes brand confusion. Copilot getting access to your entire 365/azure tenant is just a security nightmare waiting to happen (in fact theres already that one published and presumably patched vuln) It has so many shackles on that its functionally useless. Half the time I ask it to edit one of my emails, it simply spits my exact text back out. Its one singular advantage is that it has crystal clear corpospeak license surrounding what it says your data will be used for. Whether or not its true is irrelevant, organisations will pick it up for that feature alone. No one ever got fired for choosing ibm etc.
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- petesergeant 1y ago> Renaming all their products to Copilot makes no sense and just causes brand confusion. This reminds me of IBM Watson back in the day
- protocolture 1y agoYeah thats pretty apt.
- rusticpenn 1y agoThats WatsonX for you now.
- HexPhantom 1y agoClassic big vendor play: it's not about being good, it's about being safe to buy
- dgellow 1y agoYou will need way more to kill Microsoft. Brand confusion has been in the Microsoft DNA since the very beginning
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- jabiko 1y agoI'm not sure whether Microsoft Copilot and ChatGPT use different system prompts or if there's something else behind it, but Copilot tends to have this overly cautious, sterile tone. It always seems to err on the side of safety, whereas ChatGPT generally just does what you ask as long as it's reasonable. So it often comes down to this choice: Open https://copilot.cloud.microsoft/ https://copilot.cloud.microsoft/, go through the Microsoft 365 login process, dig your phone out for two-factor authentication, approve it via Microsoft Authenticator, finally type your request only to get a response that feels strangely lobotomized. Or… just go to https://chatgpt.com/ https://chatgpt.com/, type your prompt, and actually get an answer you can work with. It feels like every part of Microsoft wants to do the right thing, but in the end they come out with an inferior product.
- haneul 1y agoI wonder if a Lexus/Toyota Acura/Honda Lamborghini/Audi OpenAI/Microsoft marketing split isn't in the best interests of tech giants going forward since LLMs are nondeterministic, unlike the deterministic nation-states they've built up till now...
- Barbing 1y agoWhy is Microsoft special? ChatGPT. Perplexity. Google AI Mode. All let you get a message off. … WAIT! copilot dot microsoft dot com lets you just send a message without logging in. — heh, the second result on DuckDuckGo is an MS article: “What is Copilot, and how can you use it?” Products mentioned in the article, they say: | Copilot | Copilot app | Copilot for individuals | And a link for each one. Does Satya squirm when he sees that, but doesn’t have the power to change it? Also the word “individuals” (allegedly previously mentioned) appears only once on the page.
- BrandiATMuhkuh 1y agoI think that must be it. The system prompt is likely it. Just yesterday was I talking to a customer who was so happy with our "co-pilot" compared to ChatGPT and others that he wants to roll it out to the rest of the company. We use Azure-OpenAI + RAG + system prompt targeted at architects (AEC). It really seems the system prompt makes all/most of the difference. Because now, users will always get answers targeted towards their profession/industry.
- Mc91 1y agoI program at a non-tech Fortune 100 company. Our team is on a pilot program to try out AI-assisted programming at the company, and Cursor with OpenAI models are mostly what we are using. I have it integrated into my standard IDE workflow and try to write unit tests and the like with it.
- lanthissa 1y agoits not a rivalry if one party is not in the competition, its just jealousy
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- browningstreet 1y agoMy enterprise onboarded Copilot and Copilot agents and it’s fairly successful. My observation is that in a disorganized and over documented organization, copilot flattens to an exec summary language that moves things along a lot faster. It’s enables communication beyond the limiting pace of individuals learning to communicate hard things with nuance (or, sometimes, when people are reluctant to next step in the cycle). It lifts to a baseline that is higher than before. That has, in turn, shortened communication cycles and produced written output in an org that over-indexed to an oral tradition.
- Onewildgamer 1y agoOur management introduced copilot last year, there was some mild hype, people were curious, gave it a spin, but it didn’t stick around in many conversations. Now that everyone has access to Claude and claude-code, Copilot barely gets mentioned anymore. Maybe this wave dies down or they improve it, anyway these tools still have a long long way to go.
- HexPhantom 1y agoI think Microsoft underestimated how much friction kills adoption
- HexPhantom 1y agoThe tension between being a partner and a competitor here was bound to bubble up
- Zaylan 1y agoThe biggest issue with Copilot might not be the model itself, but the naming strategy. One name is used for several completely different products, and users end up totally confused. You think you're using GitHub Copilot, but it's actually M365 Copilot, and you don't even get to choose the model. Microsoft really needs to make this clearer.
- meindnoch 1y ago>Microsoft really needs to make this clearer. LOL. We're talking about the company that used to slap a non-sensical .NET suffix on everything.
- antupis 1y agoYou probably are not a customer as a decision maker in a big traditional company/organization. MS is obfuscating on purpose so they can say in sales decks that if you buy this, you get all these copilots and your Fortune 1000 business is AI-proof. What they are left out is that not every copilot is equal.
- KoolKat23 1y agoThat's a good point. And us plebs working for the company are left to deal with the inferior tool. Insert "No, We have copilot at home children" meme here.
- LiamPowell 1y agoThis worked very well for IBM Watson.
- DigitalSea 1y agoThe problem is Coilot is dumb. Allegedly using the same models ChatGPT does, but Microsoft seems to have done something to Copilot which lobotomises it so badly it's unusable for anything serious. Great for the MS ecosystem integration, but as a general purpose tool, it's nowhere near ChatGPT.
- WhereIsTheTruth 1y agoYet again, Microsoft can't exist without buying what ALREADY works, this is sad I used to like Microsoft, i now despise them, and the more you dig, the more shady stuff emerges from that supposed 'company'
- neuroelectron 1y agoI have a feeling a lot of "success" of OpenAI in the enterprise space is simply nepotism or in-network tech mafia buddies migrating from diversity hires to ChatGPT subscriptions.
- whiplash451 1y agoData coming from from this discussion thread and my team's experience at work paint a different picture. ChatGPT simply is a much better product all around. Period.
- neuroelectron 1y agoI've been using it to automate some very basic html/js stuff and it's always forgetting context and stomping on old stuff that's not related to the prompt. I guess this is just leaky abstraction of its in context memory compression. It's manageable but all it's doing for me is allowing me to be lazier. It certainly isn't making me any more productive. If I try to get it to do stuff outside my domain expertise it's making errors I can't catch. So I suppose if move fast and break things works for your business, then that's fine. But that begs the question, a much better product than what? Either way, we saw them fire a bunch of people and "replace them with AI," so it's not out of the question this is a more toward "AI tech leadership" tax subsidization as DEI is phased out.
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- 8b16380d 1y agoAgreed. It’s pretty gross tbh
- buckle8017 1y agoCan you explain what you mean?
- anoojb 1y agoAside from the product value and market sentiment around M365 Copilot. One should wonder about the timing of this article so close to Microsoft's fiscal year end.
- KaiserPro 1y agoSo we have copilot included in our MS license. The problem is that its the dipshit version. We can't use extended thinking. But copilot free allows me to use extended thinking. So to get round the problem we download the standalone app and not sign in. It seems wild that the free version is better than the paid version.
- jdsully 1y ago“awareness in the consumer space doesn’t necessarily translate into fit for use in the commercial space.” Man they sound like a mainframe manufacturer at the dawn of the PC era.
- pseudosavant 1y agoI use many LLM tools (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, GitHub Copilot, etc), I have never ever gotten any version of MS Copilot to do anything useful for me. I've been stunned at how they can use the same models that ChatGPT does, copy their use cases, and still deliver a turd. The Github Copilot (in VS Code especially) is the only application of LLMs that I've found useful from Microsoft. I would have loved amazing Copilot support in Word for working on a large complex document, but I haven't found that to work well.
- mocha_nate 1y agosame
- thinkingtoilet 1y agoI've come to the conclusion that once companies get big enough, they are unable to build anything really useful. I'm sure there exceptions, but it feels like 99% of the time this is true. The best they can do is acquire a company and hope that goes well.
- setgree 1y agoYMMV, but I found it useful for drafting a pull request on GitHub, where it basically just did all the boring work, including finding the particular line in a large codebase that was throwing the error. It wasn't a hard problem, but it still would have required a bit of mental effort on my part, and I'd rather spend that reading a book.
- bzmrgonz 1y agoIf they want to hurt Microsoft where it hurts, OPenAI should build an agent to write mark-down, docx, and html versions of documents from simple chat or audio prompts. Imagine dictating your documents to AI and have it build upload and convert the document into relevant file formats..... I can't wait!!