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> He's foppish and playful more than he is scary. This is a very unwise stance to take. Peter Thiel has teamed up with the Heritage Foundation to implement th

> He's foppish and playful more than he is scary. This is a very unwise stance to take. Peter Thiel has teamed up with the Heritage Foundation to implement this plan. This is why A16Z and Musk put Trump in power, it is precisely to implement this plan.

A_D_E_P_T 1y ago
Musk is on the outs. And what if there is no grand conspiracy? We're extremely far from any of Yarvin's "plans" at any rate. Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Which other Yarvin ideas scare you so?
- skrtskrt 1y ago
  Yarvin's ideas of "truths" are in the realm of phrenology and race science
- cempaka 1y ago
  Just because Musk is done firing government employees and is engaged in a little punch-and-judy show of conflict with the Trump administration does not mean he is "on the outs"
  - sitkack 1y ago
    Musk and Doge were a distraction, the firings were done by the newly appointed heads of Departments.
- soulofmischief 1y ago
  > And what if there is no grand conspiracy? What if, indeed... and what if they even publicly announced their conspiracy and outlined their exact plans in full? Direct texts: https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade... https://www.project2025.org/playbook/ https://www.project2025.org/playbook/ Summaries: https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-2025/ https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-20... Implementation tracker: https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/
- colechristensen 1y ago
  >"Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? It's not an idea in good faith. The people talking the loudest about political bias and trends being "wrong" are very much more likely to be extremely biased and following fads themselves. If you actually cared about unbaised truths you'd be having good faith debates and be open to critical interpretation. But the people complaining about political bias &c. are actually complaining that their bias isn't the dominant one.
  - soulofmischief 1y ago
    Yes, I'm disinclined to believe that these extremely biased folk are largely incapable of recognizing bias on the opposite side of the isle. It seems like bad faith all the way down to a core of deep insecurity, fear, vindictiveness and lack of basic respect for others' boundaries.
  - skrtskrt 1y ago
    Yes and by and large things that "they won't teach you in college" are because they have been already looked into and rejected by any serious academic. These institutions are not above criticism (particularly in regards to economic theory IMO) but universities not teaching like, race science and holocaust denialism is not because they are scared of some "alternate truth" out there.
    - colechristensen 1y ago
      >These institutions are not above criticism And there's a troubling problem that the criticism isn't being addressed. One of the reasons we're in the political extremist situation is that the only ones seemingly capable of getting anything done are the fascists with no respect for rule of law. People get so sick for so long of nothing getting better that large numbers of them are turning to extremists who are actually addressing problems. Not in good ways or ways that many of us support, but they're in power because they're doing something. Reasonable people failing to address reasonable problems encourage extremists. Now more than ever we have to do a great job of fairly managing our own house or it's going to get taken over by people will do it one way or another.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
  > Musk is on the outs. Musk "left" government the day before his government employment would reach a length threshold requiring a lot more paperwork and transparency. Trump presented Musk with a ceremonial key to the White House. Musk has made some recent statements about the "big beautiful bill" that could be seen as an actual policy break with Trump. With that, he's aligned to GOP politicians who feel the bill doesn't cut enough taxes and/or spending. And he's still very much in the conversation. Musk is not on the outs. That's just kayfabe.
  - convolvatron 1y ago
    this is one of the most depressing things about recent turns. this directly manufactured outrage. these petty dramas, this US govt a tv show. Oh no, did you see what trump did to that foreign leader? we've been explicitly given a sham, playacting government whose primary mission to be replace honest debate with this sham soap opera. i expect soon to found out that the Elon that we see is really his secret twin.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > And what if there is no grand conspiracy? You did the thing! "'How dangerous is it that we are being linked?' Thiel wrote to Yarvin in 2014. “One reassuring thought: one of our hidden advantages is that these people”—social-justice warriors—'wouldn’t believe in a conspiracy if it hit them over the head (this is perhaps the best measure of the decline of the Left). Linkages make them sound really crazy, and they kinda know it.'"
  - cassepipe 1y ago
    Source ?
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      The article we're discussing. It's a direct quote from it.
    - esseph 1y ago
      The link?
- drewbeck 1y ago
  Some of the wealthiest people in the world follow his ideas, including people who have been in government or deeply involved in government, and people who want to use their wealth to increase their own power. Why are you not concerned?
  - throwaway29812 1y ago
    [dead]
- and0 1y ago
  > Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Yes. That is a twelve-year-olds idea of a smart idea.
- freejazz 1y ago
  RAGE?
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Today I found out that a friend of mine had their tenure case rejected because of their participation in a peaceful protest by a board of visitors staffed with GOP appointees. The rising fascist movement is anything but supporting a “repository of truths in beholden to politics and fads.” The reality matters. Simply saying “oh I’m good” while Yarvin smashes people under his feet is garbage.
- Hikikomori 1y ago
  https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/ Its ongoing, and this is just phase 1 of whatever they've cooked up. But its not like all Yarvins ideas are happening, its an amalgamation of his ideas and Christian fascism. It's likely they will just Trump at some point and then they'll have their true puppet believer as president.
- NickC25 1y ago
  Musk is on the outs because if he didn't leave his post within another week or so as he was a temporary government employee. In other words, had he stayed, he would have had to publicly disclose a ton of personal financial information. Him "leaving" was part of the plan, and this fallout was most likely part of the charade.
Benjammer 1y ago
The fact that Thiel backs him so hard is what worries me more than anything. Thiel has a way of making things happen when he's really committed to something on a personal level... (see the Gawker Media case)

A_D_E_P_T 1y ago

Musk is on the outs. And what if there is no grand conspiracy? We're extremely far from any of Yarvin's "plans" at any rate. Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Which other Yarvin ideas scare you so?

skrtskrt 1y ago
Yarvin's ideas of "truths" are in the realm of phrenology and race science
cempaka 1y ago
Just because Musk is done firing government employees and is engaged in a little punch-and-judy show of conflict with the Trump administration does not mean he is "on the outs"
- sitkack 1y ago
  Musk and Doge were a distraction, the firings were done by the newly appointed heads of Departments.
soulofmischief 1y ago
> And what if there is no grand conspiracy? What if, indeed... and what if they even publicly announced their conspiracy and outlined their exact plans in full? Direct texts: https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade... https://www.project2025.org/playbook/ https://www.project2025.org/playbook/ Summaries: https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-2025/ https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-20... Implementation tracker: https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/
colechristensen 1y ago
>"Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? It's not an idea in good faith. The people talking the loudest about political bias and trends being "wrong" are very much more likely to be extremely biased and following fads themselves. If you actually cared about unbaised truths you'd be having good faith debates and be open to critical interpretation. But the people complaining about political bias &c. are actually complaining that their bias isn't the dominant one.
- soulofmischief 1y ago
  Yes, I'm disinclined to believe that these extremely biased folk are largely incapable of recognizing bias on the opposite side of the isle. It seems like bad faith all the way down to a core of deep insecurity, fear, vindictiveness and lack of basic respect for others' boundaries.
- skrtskrt 1y ago
  Yes and by and large things that "they won't teach you in college" are because they have been already looked into and rejected by any serious academic. These institutions are not above criticism (particularly in regards to economic theory IMO) but universities not teaching like, race science and holocaust denialism is not because they are scared of some "alternate truth" out there.
  - colechristensen 1y ago
    >These institutions are not above criticism And there's a troubling problem that the criticism isn't being addressed. One of the reasons we're in the political extremist situation is that the only ones seemingly capable of getting anything done are the fascists with no respect for rule of law. People get so sick for so long of nothing getting better that large numbers of them are turning to extremists who are actually addressing problems. Not in good ways or ways that many of us support, but they're in power because they're doing something. Reasonable people failing to address reasonable problems encourage extremists. Now more than ever we have to do a great job of fairly managing our own house or it's going to get taken over by people will do it one way or another.
sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
> Musk is on the outs. Musk "left" government the day before his government employment would reach a length threshold requiring a lot more paperwork and transparency. Trump presented Musk with a ceremonial key to the White House. Musk has made some recent statements about the "big beautiful bill" that could be seen as an actual policy break with Trump. With that, he's aligned to GOP politicians who feel the bill doesn't cut enough taxes and/or spending. And he's still very much in the conversation. Musk is not on the outs. That's just kayfabe.
- convolvatron 1y ago
  this is one of the most depressing things about recent turns. this directly manufactured outrage. these petty dramas, this US govt a tv show. Oh no, did you see what trump did to that foreign leader? we've been explicitly given a sham, playacting government whose primary mission to be replace honest debate with this sham soap opera. i expect soon to found out that the Elon that we see is really his secret twin.
ceejayoz 1y ago
> And what if there is no grand conspiracy? You did the thing! "'How dangerous is it that we are being linked?' Thiel wrote to Yarvin in 2014. “One reassuring thought: one of our hidden advantages is that these people”—social-justice warriors—'wouldn’t believe in a conspiracy if it hit them over the head (this is perhaps the best measure of the decline of the Left). Linkages make them sound really crazy, and they kinda know it.'"
- cassepipe 1y ago
  Source ?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    The article we're discussing. It's a direct quote from it.
  - esseph 1y ago
    The link?
drewbeck 1y ago
Some of the wealthiest people in the world follow his ideas, including people who have been in government or deeply involved in government, and people who want to use their wealth to increase their own power. Why are you not concerned?
- throwaway29812 1y ago
  [dead]
and0 1y ago
> Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Yes. That is a twelve-year-olds idea of a smart idea.
freejazz 1y ago
RAGE?
UncleMeat 1y ago
Today I found out that a friend of mine had their tenure case rejected because of their participation in a peaceful protest by a board of visitors staffed with GOP appointees. The rising fascist movement is anything but supporting a “repository of truths in beholden to politics and fads.” The reality matters. Simply saying “oh I’m good” while Yarvin smashes people under his feet is garbage.
Hikikomori 1y ago
https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/ Its ongoing, and this is just phase 1 of whatever they've cooked up. But its not like all Yarvins ideas are happening, its an amalgamation of his ideas and Christian fascism. It's likely they will just Trump at some point and then they'll have their true puppet believer as president.
NickC25 1y ago
Musk is on the outs because if he didn't leave his post within another week or so as he was a temporary government employee. In other words, had he stayed, he would have had to publicly disclose a ton of personal financial information. Him "leaving" was part of the plan, and this fallout was most likely part of the charade.

Benjammer 1y ago

The fact that Thiel backs him so hard is what worries me more than anything. Thiel has a way of making things happen when he's really committed to something on a personal level... (see the Gawker Media case)