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Doesn't Musk believe it's better to see what things don't work in production and then fix those rather than doing a lot of testing beforehand?

amelius 1y ago
It is only natural that capitalists want to play it like that. Put the burden of safety on society, etc. This is why we should have laws that say that even a small software update requires testing by an independent organization for at least several months.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  "small software update"? That would slow things down so much more. Maybe only if it is mission critical?
  - ragebol 1y ago
    If you can prove it's small and won't affect anything safety critical, then fine...
  - starquake 1y ago
    I would assume the mission would be something like "travel safely". Keyword being "safely" here.
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  - amelius 1y ago
    Bugs can be weird and cause all kinds of unexpected behavior. Maybe read this story about a recent update that took down systems around the world: https://www.wired.com/story/crowdstrike-outage-update-windows/ https://www.wired.com/story/crowdstrike-outage-update-window... > CrowdStrike wrote in a blog post that the root cause of the crash had been a single configuration file pushed as an update to Falcon.
- unsupp0rted 1y ago
  This is why we can’t have nice things. If this had been the policy, we’d still be technologically in the 18th century.
  - bilekas 1y ago
    I'd argue the opposite.. For example in this case of they roll it out without tearing and something catastrophic happens. The faith in the tech will not be restored for generations, regardless of how much testing is done. Better to have these things working out the door straight away Instead of risking literal lives.
    - unsupp0rted 1y ago
      We just need some major wars or implacable ideological enemies to force us to test in prod. The biggest tech leaps happen there, because there’s no alternative.
      - amelius 1y ago
        Yes, putting everything in service of the fastest possible technological advancement is a pretty dumb idea.
        unsupp0rted 1y ago
        Why? Would you rather be the world’s richest person in 1825 or lower middle class today? I like antibiotics, MRI, anesthetics during surgeries, unlimited information and entertainment, and the ability to travel places in less than 8 weeks and without getting tuberculosis along the way. Tech advancement has given the most people the most happiness, safety and prosperity. And it’s still barely a drop in the bucket compared to what is plainly visible already as the next level up.
        amelius 1y ago
        You are presenting a false dichotomy. Better testing procedures will not put us back in 1825.
- bearjaws 1y ago
  Your idea is... something.. "Small software update" - good luck qualifying what this is "independent organization" - ever been audited? auditors love repeat business...
  - amelius 1y ago
    > "Small software update" - good luck qualifying what this is I said "__even__ a small software update", so in fact, every software update, no matter how small.
- growlNark 1y ago
  > This is why we should have laws If you can figure out a way to make congress to do anything but waste space and time, let us all know. Maybe states (e.g. California, not the normal sense of the term) can regulate some sanity into Tesla.
- api 1y ago
  If your suggestion about software were taken we would still be running MS-DOS. We humans don’t do moderation well. The two alternatives seem to be move fast and break things vs don’t move at all. Run or sit still. Free for all or stilted hyperconservative society.
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bambax 1y ago
"Move fast and kill people."
- _def 1y ago
  Tomb Driven Development

amelius 1y ago

It is only natural that capitalists want to play it like that. Put the burden of safety on society, etc. This is why we should have laws that say that even a small software update requires testing by an independent organization for at least several months.

johnisgood 1y ago
"small software update"? That would slow things down so much more. Maybe only if it is mission critical?
- ragebol 1y ago
  If you can prove it's small and won't affect anything safety critical, then fine...
- starquake 1y ago
  I would assume the mission would be something like "travel safely". Keyword being "safely" here.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- amelius 1y ago
  Bugs can be weird and cause all kinds of unexpected behavior. Maybe read this story about a recent update that took down systems around the world: https://www.wired.com/story/crowdstrike-outage-update-windows/ https://www.wired.com/story/crowdstrike-outage-update-window... > CrowdStrike wrote in a blog post that the root cause of the crash had been a single configuration file pushed as an update to Falcon.
unsupp0rted 1y ago
This is why we can’t have nice things. If this had been the policy, we’d still be technologically in the 18th century.
- bilekas 1y ago
  I'd argue the opposite.. For example in this case of they roll it out without tearing and something catastrophic happens. The faith in the tech will not be restored for generations, regardless of how much testing is done. Better to have these things working out the door straight away Instead of risking literal lives.
  - unsupp0rted 1y ago
    We just need some major wars or implacable ideological enemies to force us to test in prod. The biggest tech leaps happen there, because there’s no alternative.
    - amelius 1y ago
      Yes, putting everything in service of the fastest possible technological advancement is a pretty dumb idea.
      - unsupp0rted 1y ago
        Why? Would you rather be the world’s richest person in 1825 or lower middle class today? I like antibiotics, MRI, anesthetics during surgeries, unlimited information and entertainment, and the ability to travel places in less than 8 weeks and without getting tuberculosis along the way. Tech advancement has given the most people the most happiness, safety and prosperity. And it’s still barely a drop in the bucket compared to what is plainly visible already as the next level up.
        amelius 1y ago
        You are presenting a false dichotomy. Better testing procedures will not put us back in 1825.
bearjaws 1y ago
Your idea is... something.. "Small software update" - good luck qualifying what this is "independent organization" - ever been audited? auditors love repeat business...
- amelius 1y ago
  > "Small software update" - good luck qualifying what this is I said "__even__ a small software update", so in fact, every software update, no matter how small.
growlNark 1y ago
> This is why we should have laws If you can figure out a way to make congress to do anything but waste space and time, let us all know. Maybe states (e.g. California, not the normal sense of the term) can regulate some sanity into Tesla.
api 1y ago
If your suggestion about software were taken we would still be running MS-DOS. We humans don’t do moderation well. The two alternatives seem to be move fast and break things vs don’t move at all. Run or sit still. Free for all or stilted hyperconservative society.
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bambax 1y ago

"Move fast and kill people."

_def 1y ago
Tomb Driven Development