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Transliterating this character incorrectly resulted in a violent attack causing two deaths: https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73 https://languagelog.ldc
by JimDabell 1y ago
Transliterating this character incorrectly resulted in a violent attack causing two deaths:
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73 https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73
- junaru 1y ago[flagged]
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- jeroenhd 1y agoBased on the murderous reaction from the entire family, I doubt the transliteration issue happening or not wouldn't have changed the outcome much. It's a weird consequence of a transliteration issue, but someone prepared to murder someone else over a rude text is a ticking time bomb regardless.
- omeid2 1y agoIt might seem like an overreaction from a western point of view, but the accusations in the context of Central Asian culture is something so extremely sensitive that people from all walks of life, from nobility to the poor kill and die over it. It is just a different frame of mind.
- 4gotunameagain 1y agoI'm sorry but stabbing someone over a single text message is not cultural difference, is idiocy.
- pjc50 1y agoHonor culture makes people do weird and terrible things. The American cultural version would be the same thing but with a gun.
- omeid2 1y ago"A single text" is an absurd reductionism. People suffer worst than death over words all the time, even in the West. Some folks adhere to honour, some to political groups and ideologies, some religion, some to their social views; there are words that are treated as violence and responded to accordingly in every context.
- g-b-r 1y agoAccordingly would be with (violent) words. Could you tell us where you're from, anyhow?
- GoblinSlayer 1y agoAt least you can defend yourself in that case. For comparison in USA you can go to jail for life if FBI drops a picture on your computer.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoIt's like a Reddit relationships post, it's highly unlikely the single text message was the whole issue.
- batuhanicoz 1y agoThis is an overreaction. It's violence. Trying to justify it by claiming it's part of their culture is not healthy, I think we can have some universal values (don't stab people?) and it is perfectly reasonable to force people to adopt to those values. It's their culture? They can leave the violent parts of culture behind and adopt to the expectations of modern society (not stabbing people). I'm Turkish. I grew up in Turkey. These things happen, but let's not try to justify them. We should aim to get to a point where people share these "western values" (of not stabbing people).
- dooglius 1y agoThe point of the comment you're responding to is not to justify it, the point is to rebut GP's assertion that the violence would have occurred anyway.
- Cthulhu_ 1y ago> it is perfectly reasonable to force people to adopt to those values. No, it isn't (slippery slope fallacy I know), because that's what's happening in western politics as we speak and I for one am Not Okay with it.
- readthenotes1 1y agoThe other replies seem to indicate that cultural diversity is fine as long as it's in accord with their culture.
- teddyh 1y ago[flagged]
- watwut 1y agoYou mean ... people upset about nazi salute which was used to express sympathies to the nazi movement and to express alliance with them?
- teddyh 1y ago(See what I mean?) In that particular case, as far as I know, the gesturer himself denies that interpretation, so what people like you are upset about are about your own interpretation, not anything actually confirmed. This is therefore similar to the sıkışınca/sikişınce case, where people were willing and able to kill based on their own interpretation of things, ignoring the denials from the originator of what was being interpreted.
- ses1984 1y agoMaybe if said gesturer had a record of being honest, it would be easier to believe him. How is this man’s record I wonder.
- teddyh 1y agoIf the Turkish texting man had a history of blatant and frequent lying, would that have excused the reasoning and behavior of his wife and her father?
- Dylan16807 1y ago> In that particular case, as far as I know, the gesturer himself denies that interpretation, so what people like you are upset about are about your own interpretation, not anything actually confirmed. My understanding is that he denies expressing support, but doesn't deny support. Which doesn't look good! > If the Turkish texting man had a history of blatant and frequent lying, would that have excused the reasoning and behavior of his wife and her father? It would have excused treating the supposed typo as not a typo. That's a separate question from the reaction after.
- eknkc 1y agoHaha yep. I'm Turkish and been using US layout keyboards my entire life. Therefore, I do not use the Turkish characters online. I use S for Ş. G for Ğ and it just works, nobody ever complained. One word is to get bored that's causing issues. sık - to bore sik - to fuck So if I write "sikildim" to say "I got bored", it actually becomes "I got fucked". One way around it to capitalize. SIKILDIM is "I got bored" but now you are yelling. Typing "sıkıldım" is a hassle on a US keyboard though.
- orphea 1y agoThe problem was that Emine's cell phone was not localized properly for Turkish and did not have the letter <ı>; when it displayed Ramazan's message, it replaced the <ı>s with <i>s. Does it make sense? Could the phone arbitrarily replace characters? Or could it more likely that the guy typed dotted i's?
- eknkc 1y agoI think the article is somewhat fabrication. There might be some truth to it but it does not make much sense. Technically, ı would probably show up as □ instead of i if the phone had a hard time displaying it. There is also the suffix not matching that change: sıkışınca vs sikişince. A becomes E in that suffix when you switch from ı to i. Even if the phone fucked up, "sikişinca" would look weird.
- GoblinSlayer 1y agoI noticed that countries with latin script use latin-1 encoding for sms, because they never really needed unicode. Then when software converts text to latin-1 or acsii, there's an option to find the best match character in ascii repertoire, I think in that case ı will be converted to i.
- seba_dos1 1y agoIt's not latin-1, and it's not ASCII either. It's 7-bit GSM 03.38 charset, with optional shift tables. You can use either that or UCS-2 (though these days phones use UTF-16 instead), and UCS-2/UTF-16 significantly limits the number of characters that fit into the message (160 vs. 70).
- ayhanfuat 1y agoThat doesn't really make sense. "sıkışınca" would become "sikisinca". No one would read it as "sikişince" (the latter a is doing the heavy lifting there). A guy with the same name (I would say not a common name-surname combination considering the same region) was in jail for sexually assaulting a mentally challenged kid. I guess this was just an excuse of a psychopath. https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/parti-binasinda-ozurlu-kiza-tecavuz-38571293 https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/parti-binasinda-ozurlu-ki...
- tobyhinloopen 1y agoI think you're giving this character a bit too much credit here, I feel like the violent attack might have some causes unrelated to transliteration of some characters.
- foobahhhhh 1y agoThe family being utterly insane was a minor factor. Shane there was no concept of self defence.
- crabsand 1y agoNo one here understands 'sikisinca' as 'sikişince', because as you can see the final vowel is different. There are cases for these to be mixed though, sikildim May be "I'm fscked" but it's usually understood as "sıkıldım", "I'm bored."
- paxys 1y agoNo, crazy people caused the violent attack. If it wasn't the text message it would have been something else.
- mvdtnz 1y agoThe cause of this attack was violent psychopaths, not the initial misunderstanding.