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> I wonder what level of compartmentalisation inside DHS means they didn't see this as having sufficient downsides? This was not a carefully-weighed decision b
by hackyhacky 1y ago
> I wonder what level of compartmentalisation inside DHS means they didn't see this as having sufficient downsides?
This was not a carefully-weighed decision based on a cost-benefit analysis. This was a political order, consistent with the administration's policy of "cut everything, recklessly, indiscriminately."
- tmpz22 1y agoDestroy, destroy, destroy. Promise to rebuild but don't. Take it all.
- cantrecallmypwd 1y agoVampire capitalism. They want civilization to break down so they can offer a solution for profit. The enemies of all people and life on the planet are a tiny group of oligarchs and their supplicants.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y agoNot unlike the manga Berserk
- CamperBob2 1y agoThis isn't capitalism, any more than arson, burglary, or extortion is capitalism. Get some new material.
- tigerBL00D 1y agoTo be fair, we don't yet know how capitalism ends.
- CamperBob2 1y agoWe know how everything else does, though.
- johnnyanmac 1y agoHeat death of the universe?
- Nevermark 1y agoI agree, given the right definition of “capitalism”. Unfortunately “capitalism” has two quite different meanings. Which are rarely clarified in use. Capitalism with a big C, a too common overarching ideology, gets bent to mean whatever the greedy, unethical and rich want it to mean so they can get more money. But small c capitalism, evolving from both practical and ethical foundations, is a system so useful it has multiplied the benefits of civilization. But it is just one such system. It can’t do everything, it needs other independent systems (justice, dispute resolution, rules of clarity, risk & trust limiting systems, for starters) to work, and extending it to places it doesn’t work causes great harm. (Like when perversely applied to those enabling systems, in big C form, as is happening now.)
- roughly 1y ago> any more than arson, burglary, or extortion is capitalism Indeed.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoHah. I’ve been hearing this No-True-Scotsman for Capitalism for decades now. It’s what we’ve got and is widely understood as capitalism. I won’t repeat your last sentence but the sentiment is similar.
- CamperBob2 1y agoIt's no different from what apologists for Communism and any number of other -isms will tell you. "B...b...but it's never really been tried." Capitalists are as entitled to that excuse as anyone else. It's almost as if no economic, social, or political system known to mankind will stand up for long under a determined onslaught of corruption.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoI'm not sure "well THEY do it so I want to do it too" is the strongest argument.
- johnnyanmac 1y agoIt's malicious rent seeking. Is that capitalism? Once you run out of easy problems to solve, you create problems for yourself to solve.
- chris_wot 1y agoSo much for the wunderkinds in DOGE.
- sitkack 1y ago@bigballs, please save U.S.
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- drivingmenuts 1y agoGiven that the Kids at DOGE are all computer experts, this reeks of a calculated move.
- consp 1y agoI think expert is not the right word for what looks like mostly rookies.
- krferriter 1y agoAbsolutely not. They are not broadly experts, and they are not making these decisions after careful consideration, as evidenced by their continual acts of stupidity and basic errors and cutting things despite having no idea what it is they are cutting. Musk got in an argument with someone who said DOGE cut funding for a cancer treatment program, and Musk was calling the person a liar, and the person provided evidence and Musk admitted it was an accident. They are a clown car of idiots who vastly overestimate their own knowledge and underestimate how much good the government actually does. They think they can just slash and burn and there will be no negative consequences because they think the government is worthless.
- chris_wot 1y agoUntil, like Ayn Rand, they actually need the government. Then they'll be complaining how the government doesn't provide services.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoDid they promise to rebuild? If I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt (which I hate), it's a shotgun approach; cut things relentlessly and see what falls apart. Chaos engineering applied to a country and / or the world.
- willy_k 1y agoThat’s exactly what it is, and they said as much repeatedly while campaigning. Voters, in their zealotry against the perceived status quo, failed to realize how much of what we have right now you don’t want to cut recklessly, as well as just how reckless the people that they were choosing to do that job were.
- coldpie 1y ago> in their zealotry against the perceived status quo, Perceived, not actual, because spreading lies and misinformation is what makes the most money for the ad sellers that make up 90% of our industry.
- watwut 1y agoThere are various glorious futures floating around about how this will make America better, stronger, more independent.
- SecretDreams 1y ago> cut everything, recklessly, indiscriminately Mostly discriminately, tbh.
- MiguelX413 1y ago[flagged]
- SecretDreams 1y agoI can't tell what argument you're making within the context of my post? The OP said indiscriminately, which means they're cutting uniformly across the board. I responded with "mostly discriminately" which means they're more selectively cutting based on prejudice. You then linked me a data point where you show they cut funding because it has the word "homo" in it and tell me to "get a hold of myself".. but your link would directly support what I've said?
- dTal 1y agoIt is clear from context that the original comment is using "indiscriminately" in a sense of "without due care; thoughtlessly". Your first reply comes across as simply contradicting it, i.e. asserting that actually these cuts were made with an appropriate level of thoughtfulness. Your point that there are criteria which are being applied is a useful contribution, but you should have expanded on this in your original comment, as it was not clear that you were reframing the discussion in this way.
- SecretDreams 1y agoRespectfully, I took the word at face value and made what I thought was a fair, albeit half-jokingly correction. Certainly, I understood the context of the original post and I expected that this community would understand my follow up comment which is using correctly applied English. For whatever it's worth, I see no synonyms for indiscriminately that would fall under "without due care; thoughtlessly" on Merriam-Webster. Even if I understood what the OP was saying, it was not technically the correct verbiage to use. I would have thought I'd receive a similar level of "allowable nuance" in my comment that the OP was afforded. https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/indiscriminately https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/indiscriminately
- derbOac 1y agoThere are many problems going on right now, but in terms of cuts this is one of the most problematic: everything is secret, with no oversight or deliberation. It's indistinguishable from corrupt malice because it's not done with open thoughtfulness.
- jacobyoder 1y agoI just can't believe your take on this. The White House press secretary has directly said, multiple times, "this is the most transparent administration ever". /s In reality, this entire process is insanity. We've had examples of government spending overhaul in the past - early(?) 90s - both sides worked together, cut lots of spending across programs, downsized tens of thousands of federal workers, and balanced a budget, to the point where we had a surplus. It was tough, took time, wasn't perfect, but was deliberated and debated and far far far more open and transparent than all this. But their goal was actually improving government (even if that meant reducing some areas). The current 'leadership' goal is to dismantle/destroy as much as possible, as this is led by people who think government in general should not exist.
- tlogan 1y agoYes, this is 100% consistent with their policy: cut everything and if you find out that something is really really needed then reverse it.