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Did you spot a fish? Press the Fish Doorbell
- _giorgio_ 2y ago[dead]
- cluckindan 2y agoHow much would it cost to fine-tune an AI to recognize fish and do this automatically instead of crowdsourcing? Maybe some one-shot object detection model would work even without fine-tuning?
- __alexs 2y agoThis is about teaching people about waterways and local wild life. Hiding it behind the an AI would defeat the point.
- schoen 2y agoI bet it was a conscious decision to crowdsource it instead of automating it in order to get people more interested in the fish. It seems like it's drawing a pretty substantial fan base!
- hhh 2y agoprobably low, but then it would be boring instead of a community event full of whimsy and fun
- vasco 2y agoThis is more about community engagement and education than anything else.
- noosphr 2y ago>How much would it cost to fine-tune an AI to recognize fish and do this automatically instead of crowdsourcing? $0 basically. You can fine tune a YOLO model on a work station in an hour or so.
- dmbche 2y ago"People do so enthusiastically every year. In 2024, the Fish Doorbell attracted around 2.7 million viewers, from America to Brazil! The project has gained global recognition, helping people worldwide learn about fish migration and Utrecht’s underwater world." I don't think solving the problem is the goal, it's attracting attention while solving the problem, which is a different goal
- brian-armstrong 2y agoEager to abandon your observation duties already? But you just got here.
- cluckindan 2y agoI like watching cats more than cat food.
- henrikschroder 2y ago*sigh* "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do laundry and dishes." This thing is whimsy and fun, it's not a chore to be automated away.
- amelius 2y agoThis would come into existence almost instantly if there was money to be made with pressing the doorbell at the right moment.
- talkingtab 2y agoSome of the very best moments of my life have come from those moments when I feel like I a part of something bigger than myself. Act in a play. Be the 30th person in a start up. Sing in a choir. Ring a bell. It appears to me that far from enhancing these moments, in general the internet has inhibited them. The focus of our current internet is Me. Instagram where you can show people how beautiful you are. Facebook, where the important thing is what you like. And who you follow. Me. Me. Me. So it seems natural that the "next big thing" is something that will make the internet even less hospitable for a sense of community - for the We. No doorbell, just an AI. But maybe that is a good thing? This internet with all the tracking and lack of civility can become just a place where AI's can spend hours tracking and targeting other AI's. Far out! We can build something else.
- morphle 2y ago"It is the destiny of computers to become interactive intellectual amplifiers for all people pervasively networked worldwide." JCR Licklider initially called it the intergalactic network, now know as the internet. >We can build something else Some of us tried (with internet fish swimming around) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXGLOiZUZ2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXGLOiZUZ2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM https://tinlizzie.org/VPRIPapers/tr2003001_croq_collab.pdf https://tinlizzie.org/VPRIPapers/tr2003001_croq_collab.pdf
- talkingtab 2y agoFar Out! Thanks. We could use some Complex Adaptive System architecture to create galaxies. Or we could call them Gestalts instead of CAS. In gestalts entities, use rules to interact with a read/write message bus. Ants. Pheromone trails. Write when you find food, not if you don't. We have the pieces for this. Entities - people. We have a r/w bus - the internet. What we don't have are rules. We can think of rules - the kind Wolfram talks about in NKofS - instead as a language. A language in the sense of Sapir-Whorf. "Twitter and Tear Gas" (Zeynep Tufecki) is a good illustration of Sapir-Whorf in internet languages. (Available as a pdf I think) That language is the missing link. In Real Life there is a language for collaboration. Perhaps the task is to understand the elements of IRL collaboration and then transpose it. One could make some guesses about fundamentals. As we have all discovered, one fundamental is trust. IRL Trust is identity and reputation based. With many caveats. Perhaps we could start by considering A New Kind of Identity. ?
- rapnie 2y agoI did see fish fly by so fast that it would be really tricky to snapshot them.
- stavros 2y agoMe too, and then I pressed the doorbell but the page said "there's no fish in this image" (because it swam away), so I didn't send the photo. Am I supposed to wait for a fish that will hang out in the frame? It's a bit unclear.
- bell-cot 2y agoGuess: It's not useful to open the door for a fish that is not (in effect) waiting around to get through, hence the additional "check image for a fish" requirement.
- stavros 2y agoYeah but I don't know what the place is like (or how big), so the fish may very well just be waiting around just off-camera.
- morphle 2y agoDepending on the smell of the day the fish will hover (hang around, linger, float?) in the frame.
- frizlab 2y agoUnrelated but why did they have to highjack the scrolling on this page…
- cyanf 2y agoThis is delightful.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y agoDiscussed a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39800678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39800678
- throw310822 2y agoNice idea submerging a camera into an erwtensoep. Hey, I think I saw a rookworst swimming by!
- dddw 2y agoThis is the most Dutch comment ever on HN
- morphle 2y agoErwtensoep is called pea soup in English. Actually this canal used to be a stinking city sewer and was less murky green than fecal brown for most of its 2000 year existence. The fish came back when the sewage was removed in the last 35 years. The green color is from the healthy algal soup. The stench in the summer was so bad that for hundreds of years the rich build beautiful country houses and castles in the woods east of the town. https://www-quest-nl.translate.goog/maatschappij/geschiedenis/a33632953/zo-ongelooflijk-smerig-waren-de-nederlandse-grachten-vroeger/?_x_tr_hist=true https://www-quest-nl.translate.goog/maatschappij/geschiedeni...
- MrMcCall 2y agoLet's hope we don't see any 'brown trout' in there :-) Seriously, though, I love a nice green algae for some good old oxygen. I just saw some all along the shore of a small tributary at a local park that had tons of little (but not tiny) bubbles all over it. I thought it might be oxygen. Such a lovely florescent lime green.
- morphle 2y ago>tons of little (but not tiny) bubbles >Such a lovely florescent lime green Quite probably oxygen from the plants and not methane bubbles. >small tributary at a local park Quite probably where I was a boy scout and had my first kiss
- morphle 2y agoI was born and grew up in sight of this lock where the fish doorbell is, 61 years ago. I never knew we had this many fish swimming by until this camera perplexed me. My boat was moored 30 meters away. My ISP offices where a little further upstream. 2000 Years ago the city of Utrecht grew around this river branch, now called the Kromme Rijn/Vecht but originally it was the main river Rhine. It started out as a Roman frontier fort at the river crossing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kromme_Rijn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kromme_Rijn The Oude Gracht is the second most famous canal monument in the Netherlands after the Amsterdam canal system.
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- MrMcCall 2y agoThat's cool, but what I want is an ROV that will let me prowl around a lake or stream or the ocean and see what's in there. Of course, not getting snagged on something is a problem, as is losing power, as is murkiness, but I'm not gonna build the thing -- I just want to use it. I wanna see what's/who's down there!