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- jisnsm 2y ago[flagged]
- tczMUFlmoNk 2y agoThank you. I am in the U.S. and am threatened by these measures. I'm not a member of the IETF, but I rely on their work heavily, and the solidarity is meaningful.
- userbinator 2y ago[flagged]
- jakelazaroff 2y agoThis would have been a much better comment without the scare quotes.
- userbinator 2y ago[flagged]
- eqvinox 2y ago(off-topic but common misconception that should be corrected:) IETF doesn't have "members". You just show up on the mailing lists or meetings and sometimes do productive shit, other times get into massive bikeshedding and almost-flamewars. It works surprisingly well but does have its issues. People do take you more seriously if you've been around for a while and they know you aren't full of shit, but that's just social dynamics.
- PLMUV9A4UP27D 2y agoAt my company we make a niche software used by companies globally. Our plan was to arrange a conference in the US for our clients in North/Cental America. Considering the state of the US, we will probably cancel it, as we don't expect our Mexican and Canadian clients to feel comfortable at all. Neither do we at the head office in Europe. We will instead host it in Europe most likely.
- rhaps0dy 2y agoYou could host it in Mexico or Canada, they're pretty nice!
- Teever 2y agoThat's a great idea. I can't speak about Mexican alternatives but there are many great locations in Canada for a conference. If the conference was originally going to be held on the west coast of the US then Vancouver would be an excellent alternative and if it was going to be held on the east coast then Montreal is another excellent alternative. Can anyone suggest some viable alternatives in Mexico?
- rhaps0dy 2y agoI've been in conferences in Ciudad de México and it was a very pleasant experience. I honestly haven't been anywhere else in Mexico.
- nwatson 2y ago[flagged]
- kamma4434 2y agoDepends on when the conference is scheduled, but Mexico has some world renewed venues at the seaside - say Cancun- that nobody minds visiting when it’s winter at home. :-)
- readthenotes1 2y agoI noted that a bunch of physicists met in Cancun on December 10th to discuss the new Galaxy survey that led to questioning the stability of the strength of deep energy. Those guys were pretty smart
- japanuspus 2y ago
- oefrha 2y agoReminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientists-boycott-nasa-china-ban https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S. So, if you valued inclusion, holding international conferences in the U.S. has been a bad idea for a long time.
- mmooss 2y agoThe first isn't the same at all: Chinese scientists were prevented from attending based on an official government policy, not randomly arrested and detained. The second and third are the same incident, from the prior Trump administration. But the visa was denied; nobody was arrested or detained.
- oefrha 2y agoPeople are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was scaled up recently. A recent story made it clear that some people with minor visa overstays have already been detained for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to attend your conference, the U.S. hasn’t been a good location for a long time. That’s not new. In fact [2][3] is only noteworthy because it was an influential individual (in this circle) with a strong passport; people with weaker passports are routinely denied. Hell sometimes UN diplomats are denied.
- mmooss 2y ago> People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. Right, but you did not give examples of that happening previously.
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- sam-cop-vimes 2y agoHear hear. Great initiative. I am not in the US but I do feel threatened by the way the US is conducting itself these days. It's time for people working in tech to push back.
- ofcourse9 2y ago[flagged]
- chgs 2y agoHalf the people on HN either support what’s happening in the US now or say “doesn’t directly affect me so leave me out of it” as if this is an argument about yankees vs mets.
- _cenw 2y agoI feel like we took the wrong lessons from atrocities in history. We treat them like they happened before some special enlightenment that magically shields us from history repeating, so it's okay to face the early warning signs with apathy or paint anything as a difference in opinion. Surely someone will care when things escalate; surely there would be an outcry more loud than this if it was serious. Maybe teaching about the holocaust should be accompanied with copies of daily newspapers from the late 1930s to demonstrate their mundanity.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoI heard last night from my friend who works in astronomy that they decided to cancel their event in the US and let the US attendees travel to Europe instead. I can’t get used to the fact that the US seems dead set on destroying its reputation in the world. But with the direction the comment section of HN has taken over the last few years I’m sure there will be lots of commenters who will dismiss this as virtue signaling.
- nextts 2y agoIt is real. It is interesting, because I don't think US wars or international interference over the years have caused this effect but now people are avoiding the US for pure "look out for number 1" reasons. I.e. it isn't safe enough for them to enter and it ain't worth the risk for some conference, holiday or work thing.
- croes 2y agoBecause the wars didn‘t affect white people or people of certain countries The targets usually have darker skin or are from countries far more east, but now it affects people like themselves.
- mmooss 2y ago[flagged]
- cma 2y ago> yet it was actually no threat at all to US security or even NY security, beyond ~two buildings. If we're talking about carried out threat and not achieved aims: there were more than those two flights and more than those two buildings targeted. And even if you are talking about achieved aims only: the Pentagon was hit as well if you are forgetting that or maybe that just belongs in the '~'. In fact more than two buildings in NYC itself were destroyed, even if only two there were targeted. The seat of the main elected branch of government (US Capitol) was targeted and likely would have been struck without the passenger interventions (fighter jets had been sent out towards the atlantic ocean and FAA had not yet ordered all planes grounded even if NORAD had been alerted by that point). We were very lucky passengers and crew had made airphone calls and some disallowed cell phone calls to get enough critical mass to fight back. I think the subsequent war on terror, used to invade Iraq without any relation to the attack, was terrible, but this kind of deflation is pretty insane to read.
- mmooss 2y agoI should have thought more carefully and included the DC buildings, but it's still only a few buildings and thousands of people. And that took an enormous amount of planning, plus luck, etc. He was never going to take over the US, defeat the US military, or endanger more people than the flu.
- cma 2y agoKeep thinking even more carefully, it was more than two buildings destroyed in NYC and a huge portion of legislative branch could have been killed if in session. Threat of total defeat of US, which Capitol attack wouldn't have caused, isn't exactly a reasonable benchmark for being the only thing that would balance out the response we had.
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- anfilt 2y agoRISC-V moved to Switzerland as well a while ago. I think it's a shame to see stuff like this happening. Regardless, of where one stands currently in the current environment making standards bodies want to move or move events to other countries is not a good.
- tossandthrow 2y agoRegardless of the political situation, the EU is probably a more friendly environment for a standards body taking their stance in interoperability into account.
- dtquad 2y agoNot all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).
- perching_aix 2y agoWhy?
- pesho 2y agoThey're one of the best places in Europe right now, actually.
- onli 2y ago[flagged]
- ghosty141 2y agoThis is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking. I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.
- userbinator 2y ago[flagged]
- arketyp 2y agoI understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardon me, how is that executive order about sex a "threat"? Listed as the top issue undermines the credibility of this petition I think.
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- throwawayk7h 2y agoIt's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.
- briandear 2y agoWho was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.
- crummy 2y agoIf sex on your passport doesn't match your sex at birth then according to Marco Rubio you may have your visa rejected.
- TheEnbyperor 2y agoThe current advice from the German government to me (a trans woman) is that I am ineligible to enter the US and will be detained at the border for presenting 'fraudulently'.
- account42 2y agoYou can get your documentation corrected an then enter.
- koakuma-chan 2y ago
- oldgradstudent 2y agoIs this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can go, if you’re convicted of a drug offense, or if you have a drug problem, you can go to one of these places for free." That what happens when you rely on Futurism as a source.
- _2d30 2y agoYes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.
- someothherguyy 2y ago> a lot of it looks completely hysterical Some bad history with executive orders / The Alien Enemies Act and interning people in the US: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans Also, the current administration stated an intent to relocate (intern / reeducate?) the homeless, many of whom are citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues
- croes 2y agoHow long did his deportation take? Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous. That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.
- purplezooey 2y agoI have been going to IETFs on and off for 20 years. As if the past few months were not nauseating enough in the US, I never thought I would see my own country on a page like this, and described in this way, and I feel even more deeply saddened, ashamed and horrified.
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- Aeolun 2y agoSure, by their enemies. Not by their allies.
- Nursie 2y agoI don't want to downplay your feelings there, but under Trump 2.0 it has become clearer to those of us in allied nations that things are not as they were, and that even long-term friends can now be insulted and thrown under the bus. I think there is a qualitative change here.
- gabaix 2y ago> Some have been tortured. Is there any evidence of this?
- mplewis 2y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... Everything felt like it was meant to break you. Nothing was explained to us. I wasn’t given a phone call. We were locked in a room, no daylight, with no idea when we would get out.
- qingcharles 2y agoI just did 10 straight years of this. No daylight is common if the facility is strapped for land to build outdoor areas, or is inside a city where looking in or out would be discouraged. The hand towels they give you for showering suck. I tried suing over those, but even though there is a statute saying they must be bath towels, laws in the USA don't necessarily have to be followed. There are two types of laws, mandatory and directory. Directory laws are laws that are just "if you wanna" and don't carry any weight. A large majority of laws governing prisoner rights are these type of laws and there is no enforcement mechanism when they are broken. [ironically these laws specifically use the word "shall" in their wording, but in most jurisdictions "shall" is legally read as "may" in the USA]
- qingcharles 2y agohttps://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/illinois/Ill-Admin-Code-tit-20-SS-701.40 https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/illinois/Ill-Admin-C... "The towel shall be made of cloth and be bath size."
- istjohn 2y ago> Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair. > She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression. > “He hardly got anything to drink. And then he wasn’t feeling very well and he collapsed,” said Senior. > He was transported by ambulance to Mass General Hospital. He didn’t know it at the time, but he also had influenza. 0. https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-from-new-hampshire-interrogated-at-logan-airport-detained https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-14/green-card-holder...
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- Hamuko 2y ago95% of the world's countries inspect your phone at the border for messages critical of the government?
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- unethical_ban 2y agoBegone, greentext troll. Use your real handle.
- tirant 2y agoI've travelled several times to the US and never had that issue. Is really a thing? However our company issues specific laptops and phones before travelling to China as they do get searched.
- cyberlimerence 2y agoI think this is what they are referring to: "French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found" [1][2] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43418059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43418059
- jeltz 2y agoYes, it is a thing the US does.
- croes 2y ago95% of the world put people in privately owned prisons so that someone get make some money from the government and the imprisoned before their flight back home?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago[flagged]
- andy-p 2y agoThe fact that the current administration and its supporters have managed to categorize The Guardian in this manner speaks volumes about their goals wrt any media that attempts to hold them to account.
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- account42 2y agoFields on your passport are for facts that can identify you, not for whatever delusions make you feel good.
- rswail 2y agoCalling the Guardian "far left" shows your biases and where the Overton window is in the US now. The rest of the world is basically telling the US to fuck off. You'll get the message eventually, when it will be too late. Good luck on making it to your 250th birthday as a republic, let alone a democracy.
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- guesswho_ 2y agoYe, brother
- unethical_ban 2y agoRight? This is hacker news, not reddit. Whether one finds their stance silly or not, one should respect that real people are making real decisions to skip a conference. This isn't a meme. Our country is being destroyed and I don't mind some foreigners putting pressure on our society to get our shit together.
- userbinator 2y agoStop with the hysterics. The worst parts of our country are "being destroyed".
- orthecreedence 2y agoYes, the tenuous separation of state and industry has long plagued our republic.
- unethical_ban 2y agoIt's sickening to know how many people approve of authoritarianism and giving up the United States' leadership in the free world.
- promiseofbeans 2y agoRegardless of your take on this, it's very interesting to see the UI components they're using. These look identical to the gov.uk system, but I wasn't aware of it being available for use outside of their government websites.
- notpushkin 2y agoIt is open source, yeah: https://github.com/alphagov/govuk-frontend https://github.com/alphagov/govuk-frontend (Apart from the GDS Transport font, which is exclusive to GOV.UK websites)
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- edwardjlsh 2y ago> Some have been tortured. Any reputable news sources for this?
- xyzal 2y agoThe account of a detained Canadian woman https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
- 0l 2y agoNo mention of "torture" in the article?
- xyzal 2y agoyou don't exactly need to be beaten with a hose. that said: - psychological manipulation through prolonged uncertainty and withholding information - dehumanizing conditions like freezing cells with inadequate blankets - sleep deprivation - physical suffering during a 24-hour transfer between facilities while shackled and confined in a prison bus - humiliation and degradation particularly during pregnancy testing procedures where she was forced to squat over a communal toilet with others present - arbitrary detention without any timeframe without clear legal justification despite having an approved visa and no criminal record
- megous 2y agoThe German tattoo artist got 8 days of solitary confinement, like so many others in ICE detention, that ICE only ended after her mental breakdown and self-injury, and not out of ICE having respect for their own rules.
- afandian 2y agohttps://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-from-new-hampshire-interrogated-at-logan-airport-detained https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-fr...
- z3ratul163071 2y ago[flagged]
- phtrivier 2y agoThe tech community has an interesting role to play here - I wonder how long it will take for gafam to start having issues recruiting skilled foreigners (or simply flying them to the US for interviews.) It's not too much of a problem now, as t Big Tech is not in the "software business" so much as in the "laying off people to make the stock look good" ; but at some point they'll have to bring people in to actually write code. Or, are they expexting LLMs to really make the bulk of the jobs? Or maybe everything settles down in two years, and this is just a bout of neo-McCarthyism. Time will tell. In the meantime, I guess Europe must not be that bad, if people are organizing conferences here instead of China or Dubai ?
- praptak 2y agoThey do hire in LCoL countries (hello from Warsaw). Whether this will make the dent I'm a bit skeptical though. Nobody flies candidates anymore. I told the last recruiter flat out that it's no longer ethical for me to work for a US company but I don't think many people will do the same.
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- orthecreedence 2y ago> I will now spend some time looking up five articles of American citizens detained in some way in Europe and other parts of the world. While you're at it, you should stick your fingers in your ears and shout LALALALALA. I love my country, but it's a real shitburger right now. Just because we haven't fully closed our borders to all foreigners doesn't mean there isn't some insidious nastiness happening right now.
- assimpleaspossi 2y agoI prefer to live my life by what I see and hear around me and not anonymous posts on social media and, at the moment, this HN thread is nothing but a social media post as you would see on on Reddit. It bears nothing of the reality I see and hear around me.
- francasso 2y agoNot comparing Trump to Hitler, but the life style you advocate for is exactly that of most germans and italians in the 1930s
- Jolter 2y ago"All are welcome here." -- Ha. Ha. Ha. The US has never had an open border policy, and pretending they had is beyond disingenuous. You're just trolling at this point.
- eqvinox 2y ago> I will now spend some time looking up five articles of American citizens detained in some way in Europe and other parts of the world. If this wasn't hyperbole, I'm interested in the results. (With a narrow definition of "other parts of the world", some US citizens arrested in Iran won't exactly be a surprise.)
- theyinwhy 2y agoAs the current US administration is breaching the ietf's own code of conduct [1] this should be a no brainer. [1] https://www.ietf.org/administration/policies-procedures/code-of-conduct/ https://www.ietf.org/administration/policies-procedures/code...
- Freak_NL 2y agoIt should, but there is, understandably, a lot of inertia and disbelief that this is the new status quo. That, and obviously, as the pamflet points out, a lot of people assume that this won't happen to them. And let's be honest, a lot of people do indeed feel that this will only happen to people who make mistakes in their visa application (knowingly or not), have tattoos (or travel with tattooing gear), participate in any form of activism, are transgender or otherwise queer, or any other reason not applicable to conservative/right-leaning, white, middle class or higher, educated white collar workers. Some people are quite comfortable with all this (I won't bother pointing out the historical parallels), and it does come down to privilege and having an approved political mindset. And here's the really nasty thing: if you point this out, you run the risk of sounding exactly like the 'woke' bogeymen this administration is 'fighting'. Language and the imagery invoked have been hijacked to a fascinating but troubling degree.
- hayst4ck 2y ago> disbelief that this is the new status quo This is called denial or shock, which is a natural result of grief.
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- user3939382 2y agoEven your response is echoing my observation, going on about him. Whoever really sought to defeat him should have been focused on proffering a cohesive, affirmative platform. For the record I’m not a fan of his on many issues but it’s still fascinating to see millions of people endorse a failing strategy and after it completely blew up in their face just keep pursuing it.
- dragonwriter 2y ago> The only problem with the rock solid consensus on this forum is that pesky landslide victory. A 1.47% margin — the third narrowest since 1972, the two narrower both being negative margin wins, including Trump's first — is not a “landslide”.
- user3939382 2y agoHe won every single swing state. Under his leadership his party got the house and the senate. You’re in denial picking an arbitrary metric that doesn’t reflect how elections are won.
- ben_w 2y agoWhile it indeed "doesn’t reflect how elections are won", that is only relevant to the fact that Trump lawfully occupies the position of President. It matters very little to issues related to e.g. "public support" (which can change dramatically even with larger margins) or, pertinently in this case, "are the members of this group at risk if they attend this event in the USA?"
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- philjohn 2y agoWhataboutism isn't starting a dialogue, you're trying to shut it down - perhaps peruse the community guidelines before posting.
- damnitbuilds 2y agoOh yes, the Guidelines: "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes." and "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity."
- hapidjus 2y agoDid you comment on the wrong thread, or are there any planned IETF meetings in Palestine?
- megous 2y agoIsrael uses threats to reveal sexual orientation in order to gain and control informants in Palestine, which increases distrust of and threatens gay people in Palestine, in adition to regular homophobia. Special targeting and persecution, due to their position in society, is not something a gay friendly country would do to gay people. Eg. this is a statement about what one Palestinian civilian organization that deals with sexual diversity in Palestine has to say about the topic of sexual diversity: http://www.alqaws.org/news/Reflecting-on-Queerness-in-Times-of-Genocide?category_id=0 http://www.alqaws.org/news/Reflecting-on-Queerness-in-Times-... > The footage that we have been witnessing regularly, of Israeli soldiers posing with their rainbow flags and other Western gay symbols atop the ruins of our society, alongside genocidaires boasting about their sexual abuse, torture, and rape of Palestinian men, women, and children, only affirms what the Palestinian queer movement has been saying for decades: the Zionist colonial enterprise is predicated on the sexual abuse of Palestinians. Adopting an anticolonial, anticapitalist queer framework in understanding our reality is not merely an option, but a necessity. http://www.alqaws.org/articles/URGENT-APPEAL-to-ILGA-World-Reject-Israeli-LGBT-Groups-Bid-Cancel-their-Membership?category_id=0 http://www.alqaws.org/articles/URGENT-APPEAL-to-ILGA-World-R... > The Israeli state would not have been able to pinkwash its crimes without the aid of Israeli LGBTQ groups. These groups work closely with the Israeli government, army, intelligence institutions, and local municipalities. They have co-developed pinkwashing as a colonial tool by promoting racist myths about Palestinian society, framing Palestinian queers as victims of our “supposedly homophobic” society, and participating actively in destroying and erasing our queer movement. Nowhere in there is any admiration of or inspiration by supposedly "gay-friendly" Israel, which is strange given that it would be the closest gay friendly country to Palestine, right? And also a friendly reminder that Israel killed at least ~2400 gays incl. ~1000 gay children since Oct 7 and continues to kill them daily.
- bloppe 2y agoThis website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.
- danielscrubs 2y agoEuropean here, no one should take that website seriously. It’s full of incoherent ramblings. Im a bit disappointed in HN for ranking it so high. Time to take a look at the bot detection algo?
- onli 2y agoNote that the German greencard holder currently being illegally detained described that he was tortured. See https://www.zeit.de/politik/2025-03/deutscher-us-abschiebehaft-bundesregierung https://www.zeit.de/politik/2025-03/deutscher-us-abschiebeha...
- doener 2y agoTranslation via DeepL: "The German's mother made serious accusations against the immigration authorities in the US media. She told NHPR in New Hampshire that officers had "violently interrogated" her son for hours. He had to strip naked and was forced to take a cold shower by two officers before being put back in his chair. He was then taken to a room with other people in bright light and was given hardly any food or water. He was also denied access to his medication. According to his mother, the man eventually collapsed and was taken to hospital. It later turned out that he had the flu."
- _cenw 2y agoThe government employees at these border crossing definitely feel too confident that whatever they do will get covered up or ignored by the people above them. And all trust I ever had in the forth estate - nationally and internationally - has gone with this entire mess of a presidency too. They mostly seem to parrot each other's assurances that things that are happening are completely normal, or at least understate heavily. I'm happy outliers exist, including some unexpected ones like Wired Magazine.
- greybox 2y agoIceland is a nice halfway point between the EU and the American continent, its a 5 hour flight from Boston and a 3.5 hour flight from London, its not a bad place to consider
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- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago>The only reason this is now a “movement” is because Europeans are being held and treated like many other nationalities. Total double standard, but if it works it works.
- Aeolun 2y agoIt kinda makes sense that the people that were previously perfectly safe are a bit peeved they’d suddenly be treated like criminals?
- jeltz 2y agoYeah, this is a question that has been discussed for many years but since so many good conferences happen in the US and that Europeans rarely had to suffer this treatment in the past people have been lazy and allowed this to happen since they were not personally affected. Now that all of the world is affected it is easier to get momentum for action on this.
- HexDecOctBin 2y ago@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.
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- mdhb 2y agoAnd dang refuses to recognise that there is any kind of problem with this. Just tells people with a straight face to assume everyone is acting in good faith and that you shouldn’t ever question that assumption for the sake of harmony.
- Aeolun 2y agoThat’d be fine if there was an equal number of people that could vouch for something, but that button doesn’t exist now?
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- raffraffraff 2y agoMaybe? But the US is a weird two-bubble system in which "you're either with us or against us" is held to be true by most people. Which is why a sane 3rd option isn't available on the voting card. And it's why "being pro-Trump" is not the only reason one might flag that post. Outside the US, where a completely polarisation hatred between just two parties is not the norm, there are people who can agree with their opponents on some issues. MANY people outside the US hate Trump and think that he's screwing up America, the global economy, world peace, their pension etc, but they might still be able to agree with him on some things.
- eqvinox 2y agoWondering why this is flagged. Sure, it's politics, but it's also a serious issue on one of the major internet SDOs. It's certainly relevant for "good hackers"?
- _cenw 2y agoCowardice. Fence-sitting these days is a political decision all by itself. Well, it always was, but now that we've established a new normal (that's not very normal) rooting for the status quo is even more partisan.
- jeanlucas 2y agoWell, I don't have a choice anyway. I'm latino and I don't look like an approved American. It is literally dangerous for me to go.
- frakt0x90 2y agoI support the initiative, but it seems half the respondents are trolls (Debby does Dallas, USAID Fake news, etc), which make it all look very unserious. I would recommend some moderation or validation.
- anonfordays 2y agoIf you're traveling internationally, do so legally and with the correct paperwork. This isn't too much to ask for. People freaking out because the US is finally enforcing its immigration laws is hilarious. This boycott page has some incredibly delusional takes. Follow the laws of the country your visiting and don't worry about it.
- theyinwhy 2y agoEuropean Countries are starting to officially advise non-binary citizens about US traveling risks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/21/denmark-and-finland-urge-caution-for-us-bound-transgender-people https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/21/denmark-and-fi...
- dot1x 2y agoWhat an absolutely moronic website that spews factually inaccurate nonsense like concentration camps for ADHD sufferers.
- garfieldnate 2y agoIt's kind of ingenuous to take RFK's views on drug rehabilitation options and re-state them as if people are being sent to re-education/concentration camps. That said, I do find the US border incidents to be super scary. I don't blame people for not wanting to come.