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French researcher denied entry for a personal opinion on Trump administration
- like_any_other 2y ago[flagged]
- yabadabafoo 2y agoMaybe you could point out the example you mean, I see the UK excluding criminals and the US electing them.
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- Kydlaw 2y agoIn the list that you filtered and hand picked yourself there is literally "War crimes committed in Serbia". The article linked is mentioning a researcher that spoke badly about the US president. Help me understand how these two things are on same level, please?
- like_any_other 2y ago[flagged]
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- rjtavares 2y agoFor full reference, here's the US list (mostly prior to Trump): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_banned_from_entering_the_United_States&wprov=rarw1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_...
- rjtavares 2y agoThe article is in French, but easily auto-translated (and it's the best non-biased source I found). > "I learned with concern that a French researcher" on assignment for the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) "who was traveling to a conference near Houston was denied entry to the United States before being expelled ," said the Minister of Higher Education and Research, Philippe Baptiste, in a statement sent to Agence France-Presse (AFP). "This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher's phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration's research policy ," he added. At some point we're going to have to debate where to run "western" scientific conferences. I can see Europe/Canada and US/Russia blocs emerging, I'm curious with whom other countries will align.
- cge 2y agoIs there any source that describes the messages in question in more detail?
- UncleEntity 2y agoIt's wrongthink, dude, details don't matter.
- ack_inc 2y agoSarcasm?
- DrNosferatu 2y agoIn the same vein: it's outright bizarre that the HN community in general has a lot of difficulty handling sarcasm and irony, proceeding to knee-jerkingly downvote. I'm confused: after all, on which bank of the Seine are the snowflakes?
- EA-3167 2y agoThe original French source says https://i.imgur.com/qR2RobE.png https://i.imgur.com/qR2RobE.png It isn't enough for me to draw a conclusion, but it's enough for me to question this story which so far has only one side represented. If this comes down to the academic in question making social media posts that tripped FBI/Secret Service's "talking about killing the POTUS" or something similar, then yeah that's going to potentially raise flags at the border. The rules don't change along with the president after all, just like people doing the same thing with Biden or Obama would have raised flags, this would too. To be sure we'll have to wait and see the messages that are the focus of concern. What bothers me is that so many here are simply running with the headline and turning off their critical thinking because they (understandably) hate Trump's guts.
- jiggawatts 2y agoEvery time you see something like this in the headlines, I’d like you to have this thought in the back of your mind: “We have a king. Disrespecting the king must be punished.” Use that as a reminder that you no longer live in a true representative republic or anything like it, no matter what superficial performative aspects remain. Fundamentally, the USA is now ruled by a King, not a President. It will remind you of this fun law: https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104135048 https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104135048 It will remind you of what conservatives (“the right”) are fundamentally about: conserving the power of the king and keeping the accumulated wealth of the nobility safe. You’re watching the birth of a new American Empire of North Pacifica that includes the Kingdom of Canada, the Kingdom of Panama and the Kingdom of Greenland. These will be ruled by princes and princesses that all have the Trump surname. Again, remember, that the King is openly calling for war to enlarge his kingdom into an empire and the nobles are falling in line. No one has dared question this or to depose the king. If the king wills it, then war it is.
- outer_web 2y agoEh, SCOTUS still has a big opportunity to reign in the power he claims. The district courts are already doing their thing. Arbitrarily searching and refusing foreign nationals at the border was always an executive power and we have temporarily chosen one who despises anyone not loyal to him. We get to reap the consequences for the next four years.
- archagon 2y agoSCOTUS have no way of enforcing their rulings.
- outer_web 2y agoLet's cross that bridge if we come to it. Trump is as good at backing down as he is at making asinine claims.
- cryptonector 2y agoDepends on the type of ruling. The executive can't make the courts convict people willy nilly. The executive can't make the courts rule in civil cases the way he wants them to. But mandamus orders against the executive really can't be enforced by the courts, not even the writ of Habeas Corpus -- and famously so, I might add, since Lincoln suspended the writ even though the Constitution says only Congress can do it, and he refused to bring people accused of sabotage or insurrection to the courts.
- xqcgrek2 2y agoCan we see the messages the person allegedly had that allegedly had them denied entry? No? Oh okay.
- acdha 2y agoWeird, you’d think the researcher would be all over drawing the attention of vigilantes to them and their friends. I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t want Musk tweeting about them for weeks and trying to blackball them in the industry.
- cge 2y agoIt seems like these comments could be released by a third party, the media, or the French government, without revealing the identity of the researcher.
- cpncrunch 2y agoYou realise its possible to black out everyones names? And if its a tweet, it can be deleted. Its important to see the facts here.
- anigbrowl 2y agoI too wondered about this, but conversely you have to question how serious they could be given that US authorities just shipped the guy back to France without detaining him for days or filing any charges. It's a little hard to square the quoted suggestion that his comments could amount to terrorism with the actual response.
- 22c 2y agoNot sure how it works in the US but many countries can choose to deny entry for any reason and my understanding is they don't even need to provide a reason. If that is the case here then I really doubt the researcher was told that they have been denied entry due to their personal opinions on the Trump administration. This really just leaves us to speculate.
- retinaros 2y ago[flagged]
- mdp2021 2y agoLBC, Diplomatic row erupts after French researcher expelled from US for expressing 'a personal opinion' on Trump https://www.lbc.co.uk/world-news/diplomatic-row-french-trumpr-researcher-expelled-from-terrorism-us/ https://www.lbc.co.uk/world-news/diplomatic-row-french-trump... > [...] Following his detainment, it's reported that his professional and personal equipment was reportedly confiscated, and the researcher was sent back to Europe the next day.
- TrackerFF 2y agoCall me hysteric, but I think if this is true - as described - it will be a slippery slope into much worse things. If this is allowed, sooner than later the US will start to deny entry to all "undesirables", which translates to those that aren't 100% aligned with MAGA policies. Just demand access to all phone data, run the data through some AI screening tool, which maps the data to some 2-D "desirability" scale. Disagrees with Trump? No entry Not opposed to LGBTQ topics? No entry Reads too many left-leaning newspapers? No entry And the list goes on. I guess the (now at least 10 year old) tip still rings true: Travel with a burner phone, or some phone that you use minimally for anything other than travel.
- ty6853 2y agoNot having a phone, or having a burner is even more suspicious, comrade. Remember CBP doesn't need a reason, they have jailed me before as a citizen without even an arrest. You have basically no rights at the border.
- fuzzfactor 2y agoA slippery slope I think describes it pretty well. Right now it's an unflattering opinion of the current administration, being penalized without regard for the combined precedent of all previous administrations. The kind of precedent that was within reach of all other US presidents from all parties continuously both before & after the Statue of Liberty got here, otherwise there wouldn't have been enough respect built in Europe for Liberty to be erected to begin with. It was obviously supposed to be a permanent icon representing the never-ending March of Freedom & Democracy, and only a real bozo could screw that up. Yup, only an anti-American effort of some kind could drop the ball on that, and it's no accident. What does it take before the same penalty applies for "lack of verifiable enthusiastic support of the current regime"? Or "failure to make financial contributions to the party"? Or even "providing insufficient information on associates who may not enthusiastically support the regime"?
- freehorse 2y agoDo people have experience traveling with burner phones to the US and how border control may treat them if they request them? Considering that border officers seem to be able to deny entry for arbitrary reasons despite visas acquired etc, and the fact that even requesting the unlock of one's phone signals suspicion from their part, I would be afraid to offer any more suspicion of hiding sth. Do people just use a brand new phone, or they try to make it look like it has been used for some time?
- LightBug1 2y agoIf that's true then there's absolutely no chance of me visiting the US ... possibly again! A shame, as wanted to drive the Californian coastal roads in a year or two ... guess I'll stick to the Alps. But let's be honest. Even I was let in, I wouldn't choose to now and ... I guess perhaps forever. Many many good people in the USA but your democracy has spoken. You want Biff in charge and no one wants to be a part of that.
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoCome to Canada. Our pacific coastline is stunning, too. Tofino, or Haida Gwaii.
- LightBug1 2y agoThanks for the heads up! Sounds great
- macinjosh 2y agoForever? It's four years and the flip will flop back to the other side. Funny how the rest of the world immediately hates America when we decide we are tired of paying the largest share for the security of Europe for 80 years, or we are tired of our immigration laws being ignored, or we are tired of having our middle class jobs shipped overseas. People only like us for our money, weapons, and jobs. They want the benefits of American culture and capitalism without any of the responsibility. Its easy to give your citizens free healthcare and college when taxpayers over in America forgo all of that to subsidize your country's security.
- ferguess_k 2y agoWho is this French researcher and what exactly did he say? I have read a few news pieces but none mentioned any details. Maybe I missed something? I'm not implying anything, but anyone could have written a news piece like that.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoIntentionally or not you are definitely implying that specifics of the statements make this action correct. Saying you're not doing something is not quite the same thing as actually not doing it.
- Almondsetat 2y agoKilling is generally bad, but in some cases it can even be good. So, in absence of details what can you truly say about a killing?
- freejazz 2y agoWhat could anyone say about the US president that would justify this? An actual threat on his life? The secret service doesn't appear to be involved. There are no allegations its anything of the sort. Let's not disregard our own faculties for reasoning just based upon the principle that it is conceivable that something could be true.
- cryptonector 2y agoThe only allegations we have are those of the researcher.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoWe don't have an absence of details. We have a lot of details about the current administration of the united states, what their goals are, who they perceive their enemies to be, and what tools they intend to use against them.
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