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I'm beginning to think Europe needs to just dry out from soccer for a year or two. Like, we're impacting communications now.
by lenerdenator 2y ago
I'm beginning to think Europe needs to just dry out from soccer for a year or two.
Like, we're impacting communications now.
- globular-toast 2y agoOr, alternatively, we consider whether doing our communications via the same few huge American corporations is actually a good idea. The internet was literally designed to be resilient to enemy attack and look what we've done to it. Decades later, still on IPv4 and using ridiculous hacks to keep it all just barely working.
- outime 2y agoI know the current situation isn't the most optimal but barely working is an extreme hyperbole.
- globular-toast 2y agoYou're replying to a thread where people lose internet connectivity when a bunch of men are kicking a ball around a field.
- alexvitkov 2y agoThis has nothing to do with ipv4/ipv6 and the "ridiculous hacks" we do to keep ipv4 going. Those work just fine. This is a cultural problem, not a technological one.
- globular-toast 2y agoIf we want to use the internet as a communication network then we need peer-to-peer connectivity. We can't get than on IPv4. Resilience is pointless if everyone needs to connect to the same (few) middlemen before they can establish any kind of connection to a peer. It's no better than the old telephone system that needed an exclusive physical link between correspondents. We almost had this in the early 2000s, but then we regressed. People were excited about meshnets, when was the last time someone mentioned those? Too many people have forgotten and now many have been raised in this current form of the Internet thinking it's the only way. We need to think bigger. We need to push for IPv6 and basic internet connectivity (meaning ability to connect to any peer in the world) as a human right. Otherwise we build our lives around something that can be taken away on a whim over something as silly as grown men kicking a bladder around a field.
- 762236 2y agoThere seems to be a problem starting new companies in the EU. It's hard to imagine the EU developing alternatives that people would want to use in such an environment.
- arkh 2y agoThe problem is not in starting a company. It's in the 20 to 100 million investment if needed: those do not exist here. You'll get up to 10 million investment from whatever bank + state arrangement no problem. But when you want to scale up you're fucked if it requires money. So no "let's get 1 billion users and then think about milking them" way to do business, you have to be profitable a lot earlier. And you better not require too much R&D.
- nradov 2y agoSo why have European capital markets remained so inefficient for so long? I've heard a lot of facile explanations about risk averse culture but I'm not convinced that really explains anything. Culture becomes quite malleable when people have an opportunity to gain enormous amounts of wealth and power.
- dylan604 2y agoYou say resilient to attack, yet it's also the opposite where it is very very easy for someone to attack someone to the point of removing their online presence. People will DDOS a site for the lulz. People will do it to cause problems for some perceived slight. Some will do it to hurt a competitor. It costs them pretty much nothing to have it happen. For those on the receiving end, it could be devastating. Their only affordable option is to use one of the megaCorp providers. So it's a "this is why we can't have nice things" more than anything else. The assholes always ruin things in the end. So instead of some idealistic dream of a world, we get this shithole dystopian reality.
- tastyfreeze 2y agoThe internet attack resilience isn't meant to keep a single node online. It is to keep a communication network active even if parts are destroyed. That part works.
- globular-toast 2y agoWho cares about a single node? You shouldn't need a node in the middle for two parties to communicate. That's the point.
- 1270018080 2y agoLa Liga is the problem in this scenario
- api 2y agoPeople getting riled up about soccer as a way to blow off steam and experience their tribalism is vastly superior to what we have in the USA -- a political environment that people treat like battling football clubs complete with lawless hooligans. When a soccer team wins they don't get to ascend to power and leverage the state against their enemies.
- pc86 2y agoSurely you're talking about a District Attorney deciding that an individual needs to be charged prima facie and saying he "will find a crime" right?
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoI expect that's not what they were talking about, but I bet what you are talking about can happen just about anywhere.
- pc86 2y agoI'm sure it could and it's wrong everywhere.
- throwaway894345 2y agoDistrict Attorneys everywhere charge first and then prove the crime afterwards, right?
- pc86 2y agoWell typically a case is referred to them by law enforcement or a criminal complaint, then they review the evidence and decide whether or not to go to trial. It's much rarer for a DA to say they want to find crimes a particular person committed and then direct others to go find evidence for whatever they can find evidence for.
- throwaway894345 2y ago
- ryandrake 2y agoThis isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. It's as if Coca-Cola were allowed to tell my water company to turn off my tap water for a few hours because I should be drinking their soda at lunchtime.
- MichaelZuo 2y agoSo then why hasn’t Europe made a viable competitor to Cloudflare yet…?
- AdmiralAsshat 2y agoCloudflare isn't the company with too much power in the above scenario: La Liga is. CF isn't turning off access because they want to, it's because La Liga convinced a court that Cloudflare is promoting "piracy" with the various websites they host (some of which, constituting less than a rounding error of the overall sites they host, may host pirated soccer streams), and convinced a court to have Cloudflare blocked.
- dmix 2y agoTechnically LaLiga is only allowed to sue because the gov created aggressive IP/piracy rules, such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde They were given those powers in court over Cloudflare via the Spanish government, with some help via a pressure campaign by US gov to protect US copyright globally.
- MichaelZuo 2y agoIf there was a viable competitor, then it wouldn’t matter so much if it was blocked or not…
- M3L0NM4N 2y agoThe same IP rules would apply to anybody hosting any site that could have the pirated streams...
- kiney 2y agothe problem here isn't football. It's rampant censoreship and net blocks in the EU. (same problem different methods in other EU countries. In germany theiy raid your home for harmless political satire)
- thrance 2y agoWhat kind of "harmless political satire"? Where can I find more about this?
- ptrl600 2y ago"Pimmelgate", Stefan Niehoff raid are two examples of hilariously disproportionate law enforcement response for minimal offense.
- kiney 2y agothose are the better k own examples. But its pretty common. Friend of mine got raided for posting a meme that contained a swastika in negative context.
- gambiting 2y ago>>In germany theiy raid your home for harmless political satire) Can you give some examples so we can see what harmless political satire you have in mind?
- smolley 2y agoAndy Grote comes to mind. Someone tweeted "Du bist so 1 Pimmel" (something like "you are such a willy") at him. Got his house searched and everything for that. Issue here being the fact that insulting someone is a criminial offense (hope that's the correct english terminology) in Germany. https://theweek.com/news/world-news/954635/willygate-german-minister-ridiculed https://theweek.com/news/world-news/954635/willygate-german-... e:/ Whether this is actual satire or not is up for debate i guess, but this was in my opinion way overblown
- seydor 2y agoit s not such a massive thing as it used to but football teams often have political connections and thus easy access to do such things