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More to the point, when you write an article like this foretelling the doom of the american economy, why would you think you are able to brain drain any country

by foven 2y ago

More to the point, when you write an article like this foretelling the doom of the american economy, why would you think you are able to brain drain any country? What stops the countries you are trying to drain from offering better incentives to stay?

lqet 2y ago
Also consider that the US is now threatening direct (even neighboring) allies with military intervention (Canada, Denmark). It is very hard to drain brain which considers the US an enemy country. Meanwhile, China is playing the long game and is building infrastructure projects all over the world, including the EU [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelje%C5%A1ac_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelje%C5%A1ac_Bridge
- Clubber 2y ago
  >Also consider that the US is now threatening direct (even neighboring) allies with military intervention (Canada, Denmark). You have a source for this? I haven't heard of any threat of military intervention for Canada and/or Denmark.
  - lqet 2y ago
    "Trump has repeatedly spoken of making the neighbouring country the 51st state of America." [0] "Trudeau more recently suggested behind closed doors that Trump’s sustained annexation calls may not be just light talk and appear to be “a real thing.”" [1] "Trump refuses to rule out use of military force to take control of Greenland and the Panama Canal" [2] "US will take Greenland ‘one way or the other,’ Trump says" [3] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo [1] https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-42360e10ded96c0046fd11eaaf55ab88 https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-... [2] https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gulf-of-america-fa66f8d072eb39c00a8128a8941ede75 https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gul... [3] https://www.politico.eu/article/us-will-take-greenland-one-way-or-the-other-donald-trump-says/ https://www.politico.eu/article/us-will-take-greenland-one-w...
  - brabel 2y ago
    Testerday's speech by the Canadian Prime Minister: "What he wants is to see a total collapse of the Canadian economy," he explains. "Because that will make it easier to annex us." Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgpdk4257zt?post=asset%3A3b4c463c-b856-4d17-be61-725c2a56ff3b#post https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgpdk4257zt?post=asset%3A3b... "Trump has previously spoken of using "economic force" to make Canada the 51st state of America. But he said he was not considering using military force - an assurance he has not given while stating his ambitions of taking the Panama Canal and Greenland." Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo
- bitsage 2y ago
  The US brain drained plenty of people from Nazi Germany and then the Eastern Bloc. The greater the disparity, the greater the motivation to move.
flyinglizard 2y ago
At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities. These are the things people are looking to immigrate towards. Personal freedoms can't be manufactured. They are a product of the underlying system governing a country. The US has very strong institutions and legal framework in the form of the constitution (again, at this point in time; I expect the current admin to weaken those, either directly or by eroding public trust in them). Culture is something that's very hard to replicate. The language of the world in English, Hollywood is American, Hip hop is American and I can't really think of any other country in a position to globally influence and create an ethos in the same way US can. You can call it branding. US fully controls the societal narrative around the world. Financial opportunities is the easiest one to manufacture (see Dubai). You can give incentives left and right and in few years attract investors and high earners. But without #1 and #2, you'll just attract transients, not people who want to become influential citizens.
- cjfd 2y ago
  "At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities." This needs to be past-tensed. In fact, currently, the US is the global leader in regressing with regards to these and other commendable qualities.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  Wether the US is a beacon of freedom is too much of a landmine, I'll just point out that there's about a few dozen countrjes around the world where you'll enjoy enough personal freedom. > Culture is something that's very hard to replicate. You are highlighting the global influence of the US. By definition, you'll get access to that global shine almost wherever you live. Nobody will immigrate to the US to watch Disney movies or eat McDonalds. On the other hand, you might need to be in Korea to get most of the Korean culture. You'd need to assert that the US local and exclusive culture is more attractive than other countries own culture, and that sounds like a hard debate. To your point, it's easier to move to the US if you already know the culture a bit, but that still presumes wanting to move there.
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matwood 2y ago
> What stops the countries you are trying to drain from offering better incentives to stay? Nothing! And that is sort of the point. If the US can provide freedom, rule of law, education, good salary, etc... and the other countries do the same to keep the best at home that's a win for everyone.

by foven 2y ago

lqet 2y ago

Also consider that the US is now threatening direct (even neighboring) allies with military intervention (Canada, Denmark). It is very hard to drain brain which considers the US an enemy country. Meanwhile, China is playing the long game and is building infrastructure projects all over the world, including the EU [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelje%C5%A1ac_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelje%C5%A1ac_Bridge

Clubber 2y ago
>Also consider that the US is now threatening direct (even neighboring) allies with military intervention (Canada, Denmark). You have a source for this? I haven't heard of any threat of military intervention for Canada and/or Denmark.
- lqet 2y ago
  "Trump has repeatedly spoken of making the neighbouring country the 51st state of America." [0] "Trudeau more recently suggested behind closed doors that Trump’s sustained annexation calls may not be just light talk and appear to be “a real thing.”" [1] "Trump refuses to rule out use of military force to take control of Greenland and the Panama Canal" [2] "US will take Greenland ‘one way or the other,’ Trump says" [3] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo [1] https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-42360e10ded96c0046fd11eaaf55ab88 https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-... [2] https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gulf-of-america-fa66f8d072eb39c00a8128a8941ede75 https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gul... [3] https://www.politico.eu/article/us-will-take-greenland-one-way-or-the-other-donald-trump-says/ https://www.politico.eu/article/us-will-take-greenland-one-w...
- brabel 2y ago
  Testerday's speech by the Canadian Prime Minister: "What he wants is to see a total collapse of the Canadian economy," he explains. "Because that will make it easier to annex us." Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgpdk4257zt?post=asset%3A3b4c463c-b856-4d17-be61-725c2a56ff3b#post https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgpdk4257zt?post=asset%3A3b... "Trump has previously spoken of using "economic force" to make Canada the 51st state of America. But he said he was not considering using military force - an assurance he has not given while stating his ambitions of taking the Panama Canal and Greenland." Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddy2q2z8dzo
bitsage 2y ago
The US brain drained plenty of people from Nazi Germany and then the Eastern Bloc. The greater the disparity, the greater the motivation to move.

flyinglizard 2y ago

At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities. These are the things people are looking to immigrate towards. Personal freedoms can't be manufactured. They are a product of the underlying system governing a country. The US has very strong institutions and legal framework in the form of the constitution (again, at this point in time; I expect the current admin to weaken those, either directly or by eroding public trust in them). Culture is something that's very hard to replicate. The language of the world in English, Hollywood is American, Hip hop is American and I can't really think of any other country in a position to globally influence and create an ethos in the same way US can. You can call it branding. US fully controls the societal narrative around the world. Financial opportunities is the easiest one to manufacture (see Dubai). You can give incentives left and right and in few years attract investors and high earners. But without #1 and #2, you'll just attract transients, not people who want to become influential citizens.

cjfd 2y ago
"At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities." This needs to be past-tensed. In fact, currently, the US is the global leader in regressing with regards to these and other commendable qualities.
makeitdouble 2y ago
Wether the US is a beacon of freedom is too much of a landmine, I'll just point out that there's about a few dozen countrjes around the world where you'll enjoy enough personal freedom. > Culture is something that's very hard to replicate. You are highlighting the global influence of the US. By definition, you'll get access to that global shine almost wherever you live. Nobody will immigrate to the US to watch Disney movies or eat McDonalds. On the other hand, you might need to be in Korea to get most of the Korean culture. You'd need to assert that the US local and exclusive culture is more attractive than other countries own culture, and that sounds like a hard debate. To your point, it's easier to move to the US if you already know the culture a bit, but that still presumes wanting to move there.
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matwood 2y ago

> What stops the countries you are trying to drain from offering better incentives to stay? Nothing! And that is sort of the point. If the US can provide freedom, rule of law, education, good salary, etc... and the other countries do the same to keep the best at home that's a win for everyone.