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Everything Is Chrome (2023)
- aurareturn 2y agoNatural progression of an industry. It always consolidates.
- eru 2y agoDoes your city only have one restaurant?
- anonzzzies 2y agoIn the UK I see many places belonging to same place; same menus, same drinks but different style place to make it feel authentic. So yes.
- cosmicradiance 2y agoSo no. Same menu/web-pages; but served differently as per individual needs.
- iuyhtgbd 2y agoI mean, Chrome is also reskinned to serve a particular niche by a number of providers. I don't think that really cuts it in either case.
- cosmicradiance 2y agoThe article in context is not just about Chrome, but the various avatars it has manifested into.
- bryanrasmussen 2y agoThey're starbucking us, man.
- metaphor 2y agoYes, let's point to an industry with arguably the lowest barrier to entry as basis of good faith comparison to implicitly deny the existence of consolidation[1]. /s [1] https://i.insider.com/5d0b8e5f638af2560c013925 https://i.insider.com/5d0b8e5f638af2560c013925
- esperent 2y agoIf there were ten different browser engines to choose from, I don't think anyone would be complaining.
- beardyw 2y agoThough to play devil's advocate you would have ten conflicting ideas of how things should work.
- eru 2y agoIf the original comment would have been something like the following > Natural progression of an industry. They tend to consolidate. then I would agree with your criticism of my nit-picking. But what we got was: > Natural progression of an industry. It always consolidates.
- eviks 2y agoCan a restaurant scale to serve billions?
- eru 2y agoI don't know. But the original comment asserted universality: > Natural progression of an industry. It always consolidates.
- genewitch 2y agohttps://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/77476/000119312511040427/dex21.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/77476/00011931251104... https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1545158/000119312512304792/d317589dex211.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1545158/000119312512... https://www.mondelezinternational.com/our-brands/ https://www.mondelezinternational.com/our-brands/ https://inspirebrands.com/ https://inspirebrands.com/ Mom and pops diners and the like seemed to all fail within a half decade of each other, here recently. Weird.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoReading this in Safari.
- theshrike79 2y agoI've been using Safari+Firefox for a good decade now. Just out of spite. I was there when IE6 was the only browser that mattered, I'm doing all I can to prevent that from happening again. I do use Chrome for webdev, the tooling is massively better than in Safari and FF. But I very rarely use it to open anything past localhost or the internal test servers.
- skinkestek 2y agoSafari + Firefox here. But I use Firefox for webdev as well. And unlike my colleagues using Chrome I've only once been made aware of something I made that didn't work in every browser.
- wbobeirne 2y agoThe article really should be "Everything Is Chrome + Safari", the "Firefox on the brink?"[1] article even shows that Safari has ~37% market share (Although the underlying site[2] currently shows me ~34%.) [1] https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2023/11/firefox-brink/ https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2023/11/firefox-brink/ [2] https://analytics.usa.gov/ https://analytics.usa.gov/
- renegat0x0 2y agoread this in firefox/waterfox
- skinkestek 2y agoReading in Firefox mobile. I open Chrome / Edge 4 times or so every year it feels, either to verify something is just as broken there or because of low quality systems at work.
- omnifischer 2y agoWhile the author is OK in complaining about Chrome but wtf is website hijacking scrolling sensitivity/acceleration?
- OuterVale 2y agoAuthor here. I'm sorry if you're experiencing some scroll shenanigans, but it isn't related to my website. The only scroll-related things that would be different on my site are disabling overscroll to prevent that annoying bounce effect which shows unintended areas when reaching the end of a scrollable area and my custom scroll indicator (https://vale.rocks/posts/the-implementation-of-this-site#scroll-indication https://vale.rocks/posts/the-implementation-of-this-site#scr...), which has no impact on scroll behaviour.
- krackers 2y ago"Everything is chrome in the future." The article doesn't really say anything new, but _why_ are most browser forks of Chrome instead of Firefox? Is chrome just that much easier to fork? I remember there used to be Camino for mac that was killed and rolled into firefox, and even to this day firefox support on mac is poor. The lack of a firefox equivalent to Electron also hurts things, even though it seemed firefox was ahead of the curve with XUL.
- bad_user 2y agoFirefox-based browsers exist, notable ones for me being: Tor, Mullvad, LibreWolf, Zen.
- ntp85 2y agoYes, I've actually been using Zen for a while now and even donated to the project as it seems a pretty worthwhile (and necessary) competitor.
- genewitch 2y agoI'd wager it's due to someone complaining about firefox (its always bills, you notice? The same reason IE6 stuck around for...), without fail, everytime the word "Firefox" is mentioned anywhere. And then we get anecdotes like "gmail and YouTube are buggy" Oh, really? That's so weird that a multinational would hamstring a competitor that doesn't feed their shareholders more value.
- xnx 2y agoChrome is a better codebase.
- laxis96 2y agoTo be fair, I recall some ex-Mozilla developer claiming that the Firefox codebase is indeed full of technical debt (over 20 years) and pretty hard to modernize
- ramon156 2y agoFor this reason im somewhat hyped for Ladybird in Summer 2026, especially seeing the amount of sponsors they have
- tgv 2y agoDon't hold your breath. Chrome's speed and feature-richness comes from large, specialized development teams. You can't aspire to top that on a whim. And then there are such trifles as dev tools to take care of.
- tech234a 2y ago(2023) or (2024) As an example of a rare counterpoint, Zotero, a citation manager, continues to be based on the Firefox platform [1]. Thunderbird is another non-browser application built upon the Firefox codebase. [1]: https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/zotero_7_for_developers https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/zotero_7_for_developers
- decimalenough 2y agoIf anything this article understates how ubiquitous Chrome is. Tons of Android apps use Webview, which is Chrome in disguise. That said, it also overstates the importance of Google's particular flavor of Chrome. Chromium is open-source and other Chromium-based browsers do not need to comply with Google's DRM etc.
- esperent 2y agoI wonder how that will work out in practice with regards to Manifest V3? Are Chromium based browsers free to stay with V2?
- xnx 2y ago> Are Chromium based browsers free to stay with V2? Yes, for the cost of keeping V2 working as the main branch continues to update without it.
- 7bit 2y agoOverstates? Chrome removed manifest v2. It's also missing from Chromium, which means that many other browsers now have to decide to maintain that version manually, or remove it. It is being removed from Edge, a big competitor, just because maintaining it is too much work. Removing V2 and adding V3 does a lot of damage to the users, in favor of adding power to Google's Ad services. So yeah, no, nothing is overstated here.
- pjmlp 2y agoJust like Electron is Chrome in disguise, but lets keep shipping those.
- nunez 2y agoChromium is open source, but I believe Google is its biggest contributor.
- prein 2y agoI’ve been using Firefox for nearly 20 years. Lately I’ve noticed more and more websites that don’t work with it. Usually I can just ignore the bugs or avoid the site, but sometimes it’s something that I have to do (like pay a bill) and so I have no choice but to keep a Chromium install around as well. I really hate having to double-fist browsers, but I’m too stubborn to switch to a Chromium-based browser full time. I’ll use Firefox or any other alternative for as long as the web remains usable on them.
- Hamuko 2y agoI've noticed that some sites are buggy on Firefox (hello YouTube) but I don't think I've ever had to actually switch to Chrome to do anything. Maybe it helps that I mostly use electrical invoicing, so I don't really need to use a browser to pay my bills.
- genewitch 2y agoI only use firefox, and I have since Firefox 16 or something. What issue does YouTube have for you? I don't have any issues with firefox, and I seriously smell astroturf, when day after day Firefox gets bashed.
- wink 2y agoPeople use different sites, so I believe it, especially "local" ones of zero interest to people in other countries. That said, I've not used chrome on personal machines as a default browser for many years, and at work I also avoid it. I don't remember when I last stumbled over a page that didn't work in Firefox... which then worked in any other Browser and was not broken per se. Or they didn't work with Firefox + UBlock Origin, which is fair as Chrome just blocks less.
- laxis96 2y agoSome sites block by user agent, you may just need to use an extension to spoof it and the site should work. Some browsers like Vivaldi do that by default. Though, this sucks, but it's better than the alternative.
- Almondsetat 2y agoIt's a nice touch that the article tells you you're browsing it with a blink-based browser, it's the first time I've seen fingerprinting used to enhance an explanation
- andirk 2y agoImagine every website had a widget on the side giving an EXAMPLE of how your data will be used. Like "You have been marked with liking chocolate velvet cakes. This data can and will be used against you in the court of the next website you go to"
- mavhc 2y agoimagine the horror of being shown ads you find useful
- cdmckay 2y agoImagine the horror of not being shown ads at all
- mavhc 2y agoGoogle did try letting you pay to not see ads, guess not enough people did it as they killed the programme
- andirk 2y agoI am personally fine with advertisements curated to me. I intentionally interact with Instagram ads that I like to affect the algorithm, even if I don't care for the product at that moment. However, with request fingerprinting [0] and the like, the targeting can go far beyond the web surfer's awareness and desires. [0] https://amiunique.org/fingerprint https://amiunique.org/fingerprint
- laxis96 2y agoImagine the horror of not having to sift through tens of ads just to read a single paragraph of text, and not being constantly nagged by full screen popup video ads...
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y agoI do like diversity and I hope there's always be competing browser engines but folks, Chrome is really not a bad browser and Google engineers do an amazing job with it. Just because currently it has a monopoly does not mean it's a bad product.
- bryanrasmussen 2y agono, it means that it contributes to a worsening of the environment that it runs in - the web. By making the product - the browser - the best that they can (without damaging their core businesses) Google achieves dominance to worsen the web as a whole.
- tgv 2y agoThey just removed V2, and thus ublock origin. Chrome is not the product, you are. Chrome is your fodder.
- cafeinux 2y agoIt's a great product to navigate ubiquitous ads
- nunez 2y agoIt doesn't matter how "good" Chrome is or will be when it's your only option (if you're not on an Apple device). Like the author states in this essay, I'm not comfortable with a browser that gives a single company complete control over Web standards and the Internet.
- eviks 2y ago> The best bet would be using Firefox or something based on it. Firefox is free, open source, available on most platforms, and Mozilla has largely shown a commitment to both the user and the web. Given the downward trajectory of Mozilla, including re. the commitment to the user, why would this help? How would it change anything at the Mozilla corporate to make this bet the best?
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- pjmlp 2y agoThe Web is now ChromeOS, and everyone shipping Chrome only because it is easier, it is too complicated to do cross-browser development, yeedah yeadah..., are only repeating the IE 6 siren song. Also take a minute to appreciate shipping Electron garbage for helping Chrome's hegemony.
- cyco130 2y agoUnfortunately Firefox is no real competition either. Most of their revenue comes from Google, ostensibly for making Google the default search engine but, in reality, probably to allow Google to avoid antitrust lawsuits by claiming they have a real competitor.