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AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards
- smcleod 2y ago16GB? In 2025 that seems very small for anything other than gaming.
- Hikikomori 2y agoIt's a gaming card.
- newsclues 2y agoThey don't want to make cards good for AI, at the price gamers will pay, thus annoying the gamers and cutting into their AI chip sales. nVidia created the AI chip market on the backs off gamers, but that doesn't mean that trend will continue forever. The demand is there, so they can extract greater profits and margins on AI chips.
- dhruvdh 2y agoTo be fair, you can buy ~3 of these for the price Nvidia charges for 24GB/32GB models.
- WithinReason 2y agoYes but you can't easily put 3 GPUs in 1 PC
- dragontamer 2y agoIf people want more VRAM the 24GB 7900xtx is right there and has been there for years.
- bee_rider 2y agoHigh ram cards are just nice for their longer lifespans though. Since Nvidia dominates the AI market anyway, AMD has the opportunity here to not try and help them protect it, and sell cards with more RAM. IMO that’d be a good move. They’d be keeping gamers happy by not hampering their product artificially. And, some poor grad students might use their cards to build the “next thing.”
- nickthegreek 2y agoNVIDIA offers one new consumer card with over 16gb.
- dragontamer 2y agoAnd that one card is $2500 in practice and sold out (only launched with like 500 inventory across USA). 5090 is pure unobtanium right now unless you feel like paying scalper prices in $3k++
- masklinn 2y ago> And that one card is $2500 in practice and sold out (only launched with like 500 inventory across USA). And the power connector melts if you look at it funny.
- gregors 2y agoI'm actually happy about that. It specifically targets gamers who want to play video games.
- PedroBatista 2y agoThese are gaming cards. If you think AMD is lacking here with just 16GB I can only assume you never bought NVIDIA gaming cards in the last 10 years.
- imtringued 2y agoYou can buy used nvidia tesla p40 with 24GB from 2016 and unlike AMD, they still have CUDA support. The only thing they are missing is support for the latest data types like fp8.
- itishappy 2y agoWhich games support fp8?
- PedroBatista 2y agoI don't know if I'm in a parallel Universe or hallucinating, but these are graphics cards, designed and created for people to install in they deskop PCs and run games. Just like they have been doing it for decades now. What's with the P40, CUDA and fp8? Seriously people, chill. AI has been using graphics cards because that was the best available route at the time, not the other way around. Otherwise I must question, why don't you talk about DisplayPort2.1, DirectX12, FidelityFX.. and other dozen features graphics related.
- atemerev 2y agoBecause, unless you are a Big Corp, you can't afford to buy H100s. Being able to run AI on consumer hardware is essential for many AI hackers out there. And no, renting hardware on "AI clouds" is not reliable — still outrageously expensive, and the rug can be pulled out of you at any moment. My rig is 4x4090, and it did cost a fortune to me already (still less expensive than a single H100). I would have happily used cheaper AMD cards, but they are not available for reasons like this. Last time I checked, this site was called "Hacker News", not "Bigtech Corporate Employee News".
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- Aurornis 2y agoThese cards are $550-$600 16GB is great for what these are: Gaming cards. Even on the nVidia side you have to spend $2000 (likely more) to get more RAM than that. You could buy 3 of these for the price of a single nVidia 5090.
- imtringued 2y agoOn the Nvidia side every GPU released in the last ten years competes against what AMD is doing today. People who need more VRAM go with dual 3090.
- itishappy 2y agoFor the low low price of $2.5k you can outcompete a $600 card. Wow.
- Plasmoid2000ad 2y agoI suppose it's dissapointing that the 6800xt launched over 4 years ago at $649 with 16gb as welll. Inflation can partly explain this, buts still - we had been used to progress across the board each generation previously, at least with AMD.
- sylware 2y agoHopefully, finally on par with nvidia with hardware BVH for raytracing and not those horrible GLSL shaders (or at least published and provided optimized GPU machine code or similar).
- theandrewbailey 2y agoIs modern Radeon support on Linux still great? I've heard that NV Geforce on Linux was kinda bad since ever, but it has massively improved over the past 3-4 years. Is Radeon still the way to go for Linux? EDIT: My usecase is a Linux gaming PC. I was fortunate enough to score an RX 6800 during the pandemic, but moved from Windows 10 to Linux a month ago. Everything seems solid, but I'm looking to upgrade the whole PC soon-ish. (Still running a Ryzen 1800X, but Ryzen 9000 looks tempting.)
- thorw93040494 2y agoAs always, wait year or two so drivers catch up.
- righthand 2y agoA decade or two with Nvidia.
- ryao 2y agoNvidia has long been ahead of AMD. They seem to be close to parity right now thanks to Valve’s efforts, but that has historically not been the case. AMD was the one that needed a decade to catch up until Valve started helping. I wonder if the Radeon driver has gotten reliable GPU restart support. The GPU becoming unrecoverable if a shader crashed was long a major issue on Radeon on Linux, and I am not sure if valve fixed it for AMD.
- karmakaze 2y agoTheir reveal video[0] from an hour ago. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfFPI8LJrc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfFPI8LJrc
- Thaxll 2y agoThe problem is that AMD is nowhere close to DLSS performance/quality, AMD cards are good for rasterization but it's not enough. The other thing is that most game don't implement FSR because 90%+ cards are nvidia.
- orphea 2y agoA little too early to tell where AMD is when FSR 4 is not even out yet.
- WithinReason 2y agoI would be shocked if it gets close to DLSS4 quality
- dismalaf 2y agohttps://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/technologies/fidelityfx/supported-games.html#tabs-ab87f43a0c-item-7a3bbedc7f-tab https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/technologies/fideli... Lots of games do and will support FSR because current gen consoles are all AMD (and console gamers outnumber PC gamers).
- tomnipotent 2y ago> and console gamers outnumber PC gamers It's my understanding that there are 2-3x more PC gamers than console gamers, but the console gaming market generates more revenue when you include hardware. In fact there are probably more PC gamers today than total consoles ever sold.
- johnnyjeans 2y ago> but it's not enough How do you mean?
- oynqr 2y agoNobody wants fake frames.
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- diabllicseagull 2y agoRx 9070 seems perfect for compact builds on a power budget but I can't see a single two-slot, two-fan card from partners so far. They all look like massive, three slot cards.
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- nosebear 2y agoI'm really intrigued to get one, but where is the 32GB version for all the LLM goodness?
- Aurornis 2y agoIt’s a $600 card with 16GB of RAM. That’s a good deal.
- adgjlsfhk1 2y agoIt does seem like there is room for an $700-800 9070AI with 32 gb vram.
- Numerlor 2y agoThere's room but neither GPU vendor is willing to sell 32gb at that price
- epolanski 2y agoI get their point, but at the end of the day it's politics and marketing having it their own way. With a 32GB card well below 1000$ it would sell like candies for anybody doing anything AI-related that's not training (you can easily run inference and fine tuning on such a card). But it would massively eat in their data center sales which is what executives and investors want to see. It's a tragedy because such a card would get a lot of love and support from amateurs to make it work great in the ML/AI context and thus improve their data center offerings long term. So this is gonna end up in the same fashion AMD turns: it will disappoint or be ignored by most gamers cuz it has less brand power and no DLSS, and AMD will still disappoint at the data center level.
- adgjlsfhk1 2y agoI think it could work out with a weak gpu (or high TDP). You want to make the card have higher TCO for datacenter, but if you make it a 3 slot card with 400W TDP that's 2x slower than your server GPUS, I think it works out. Once you have $10k of server (cpu+ram+networking) if your options are adding 2 9070AIs or 3 MI-300whatevers, the server GPUS would win for a server.
- wronglebowski 2y agoNo ROCm at launch? After they delayed it for months? What a joke. That's like not having CUDA available at launch. https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ROCm-RX-9070-Launch-Day https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ROCm-RX-9070-Launch-Day
- ryao 2y agoI am not surprised, ROCm focuses on CDNA. Was RDNA in ROCm ever officially supported?
- seanw444 2y agoMy 6900 XT has had pretty good support in everything I've tried.
- undersuit 2y agoBut it didn't launch with AMD support, it is support now.
- daemonologist 2y agoRX 7900 (RDNA 3 flagships) are officially supported. I think the 6900 (RDNA 2) was supported at one point as well, and in both cases other cards with the same architecture could usually be made to work as well.
- ryao 2y agoDo you assume that it working means official support? I had been under the impression that RDNA had unofficial ROCm support.
- bavell 2y agoI've been using my 6750XT with rocm ever since I picked it up ~2 years ago. Idk if it's "officially" supported but it's works with SD and LLMs just by setting an environment variable.
- mastax 2y agoSo about 20% better value than Nvidia comparing MSRPs. Not terrible but that’s what they offered last generation and got 10% market share as a result. If the market price of Nvidia cards remains 20-50% above MSRP while AMD can hit their prices, then maybe we have a ballgame.
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoMSRP doesn't mean anything right now, it's just a made up number at this point. Let's see the real sticker prices once the cards hit the scalpers cough-cough I mean shelves.
- bavell 2y agoI also hear that the stock is almost non-existent for the 5000 series. Ball is in AMDs court, let's see what happens...
- Hikikomori 2y ago5070xt will likely be at $800-850 with my local/import tax while 5070ti is now at $1200-1300.
- mastax 2y agoIt seems very silly to me to change the naming scheme just for the 9000 series when they're going to have to change it again for the next series. Well I suppose they could pull an Intel and go with RX 10070 XT next time. I guess we can be thankful that they didn't call it the AMD Radeon AI Max+ RX 9070 XT.
- gpusforallb 2y agoRX 2025 7+
- xyst 2y ago> AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT 64 16GB 2.4 Up to 3.0 256-bit 64 MB 304W $599 > AMD Radeon RX 9070 56 16GB 2.1 Up to 2.5 256-bit 64 MB 220W $549 Ignoring the awful naming scheme that marketing cooked up. I really do love the price point here. Very competitive with the joke offerings by NVDA —- 5070 and 5080. Look forward to the benchmarks. Been itching to upgrade my gaming PC for quite awhile now. But the issues with NVDA (12VHPWR cable issues, non-competitive pricing, paper release, missing CUs, QC issues, …) have encouraged me to put it off until later.
- zokier 2y agoThe hardware itself seems like it will be welcome in the market. But I find AMD GPU launches so frustrating, the branding is all over the place and it feels like there is never any consistent generational series. Instead you get these seemingly random individual product launches that slot somewhere in the market, but you never know what comes next. In comparison nVidia has had pretty consistent naming since 200 series, with every generation feeling at least somewhat complete. Only major exception was (mostly) skippin 800 series. Not saying they are perfect by any means in this regard, but AMD just feels like a complete mess. Checking wikipedia, Radeon has recently gone through (in order): * HD 7000 series * HD 8000 series * 200 series * 300 series * 400/500 series * RX Vega * RX 5000 series * RX 6000 series * RX 7000 series * RX 9000 series Like what happened to 8000 series? And also isn't it confusing to partially change the naming scheme? Any guesses what the next generation will be called?
- smallmancontrov 2y ago0xA070
- MrBuddyCasino 2y agoAMD seriously needs to fire its marketing team. Think how you would do it if you could introduce a naming schema and think of how to name technical features - it would be very easy to improve on what AMD is doing.
- xyst 2y agoMarketing department at AMD missed the targets. But honestly, I don’t care about that. Price is very competitive, and as long as benchmarks and QC are on point. Then this is a massive win for AMD. NVDA as a “market leader” dropped the ball with the 50 series. So many issues that have turned me away from their products.
- foxandmouse 2y agoThey've got a pretty amazing apu that just came out and competes with the M series macbooks based on early benchmarks. The name of this APU: AMD Ryzen AI MAX 300 "Strix Halo"
- nfriedly 2y agoMy hot take is that the 9070 XT at $600 will do OK as long as they can ship at MSRP and nvidia can't, but would have been more impressive at $500 or even $550. The 9070 non-XT seems DOA at $550. The most I've ever spent on a GPU is about $300 and I don't really see that changing any time soon. (And that was for a 70-class card, so...)
- jwkane 2y agoTotally, the non-XT is the medium soda.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoAnd like a medium soda, it's only purpose is to make the large soda's price seem attractive. Seems to be working.
- qwertox 2y agoSo Framework launches with Ryzen AI Max+ 395 with Radeon 8060S Graphics which has RDNA 3.5. RDNA 4 has a 2x performance gain over 3.5 (4x with Sparsity) at FP16. It just makes it all harder (the picking and choosing). Let's see what Project DIGITS brings once it launches.
- wmf 2y agoOne has 16 GB VRAM and one has 96 GB. It's not really comparable.
- qwertox 2y agoThe high-end Framework has 128GB, just like Project DIGITS. VRAM size has always been the problem, so I'm not comparing these APU SBCs to PCIe GPUs. The comment was more about the timing of the announcements. Maybe Framework should have waited a year and then use an RDNA 4-based APU, developed and marketed in close coordination with AMD. The competitors are Apple and Nvidia, where both build their own chips and get to design their entire systems.
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- FloatArtifact 2y agoI'm pretty torn to self-host AI 70 B models on Ryzen AI Max with 128gb of ram. The market seems to be evolving fast. Outside of Apple, this is the first product to really compete in this category Self-host AI. So... I think a second generation will be significantly better than what's currently on offer today. Rationale below... For a max spec processor with ram at $2,000, this seems like a decent deal given today's market. However, this might age very fast for three reasons. Reason 1: LPDDR6 may debut in the next year or two this could bring massive improvements to memory bandwidth and capacity for soldered on memory. LPDDR6 vs LPDDR5 - Data bus width - 24 bits, 16 bits Burst length - 24 bits, 15 bits Memory bandwidth - Up to 38.4 GB/s, Up to 6.7 GB/s - Camm ram may or may not be maintain signal integrity as memory bandwidth increases. Until I see it implemented for a AI use-case in a cost-effective manner, I am skeptical. Reason 2: - It's a laptop chip with limited PCI lanes and reduced power envelope. Theoretically, a desktop chip could have better performance, more lanes, socketable (Although, I don't think I've seen a socketed CPU with soldered RAM) Reason 3: In addition, what does hardware look like being repurposed in the future compared to alternatives? - Unlike desktop or server counterparts which can have a higher cpu core count, PCEe/IO Expansion, this processor with its motherboard is limited on re-purposing later down the line as a server to self-host other software besides AI. I suppose could be turned into a overkill, NAS with ZFS and HBA Single Controller Card in new case. - Buying into the framework desktop is pretty limited based on the form factor. Next generation might be able to include a 16x slot fully populated, a 10G nic. That seems about it if they're going to maintain the backward compatibility philosophy given the case form factor.
- srinikoganti 2y agoRDNA 4 card announcement without mentioning about ROCm support ? When will these guys learn/catchup....