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Tesla sales in Europe down 45% in January
- lawn 2y agoIt's true that car sales declined a little during the same time, but the sales of EV increased a lot. This is a very poor result for Tesla.
- stevage 2y agoThe figure that matters the most is proportion of EV sales. It looks like that went down, but the figure itself is not included.
- bildung 2y agoApparently overall EV sales went up over 37%: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/european-car-sales-drop-january-falling-combustion-engines-outweigh-ev-gains-2025-02-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/europe...
- adev_ 2y agoNumbers are available here [1][2]. BEVs sells represents 124,341 units in 01/25 when they were 92,741 units in 01/24. EV market shares on sells jump from 10% of sells to 15% in EU. Meanwhile Tesla sells drop around to 7.5k units from 15k units. With the current popularity decline of the Tesla CEO in Europe, this is hardly surprising [3]. This is very likely not the only reason, the late release of the new model Y is very likely playing a role too. [1]: https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations-2-6-in-january-2025-battery-electric-15-market-share/ https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations... [2]: https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations-12-1-in-january-2024-battery-electric-10-9-market-share/ https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/17/elon-musk-uk-germany-favourability-yougov-poll https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/17/elon-musk...
- stevage 2y agoYeah to be specific, the numbers of relevance IMHO are: What proportion of EV sales were Teslas 1 year ago, and what proportion of EV sales are Teslas today.
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- lqet 2y agohttps://archive.ph/h29YP https://archive.ph/h29YP
- amelius 2y agoNo surprise. The car salesman has gone mad. In addition, people are finding out that an EV is not a high-tech product (except for maybe the battery), and can be made just as well and cheaper in low-wage countries.
- aurareturn 2y agoI think Elon saw the writing on the way a long time ago. So he's in the process of trying to pivot Tesla to a self-driving taxi, humanoid, energy company. In addition, he's trying to buy as much time as possible by lobbying for huge Chinese tariffs in the US.
- churchill 2y agoNope. There's no way to disguise or explain away his recent actions: Elon's actions are clearly those of a person who has grudges against certain segments of society and wants to use political power to fix them. If he just wanted tariffs on China he could have just imitated Miriam Adelson: give the Trump campaign $200M & state your demands without mincing words. Or, split the amount between both parties and ride whichever horse that comes out on top.
- rgmerk 2y agoChinese cars are already effectively barred from the USA.
- walrus01 2y agoAnd Canada, which has, as I recall, a one hundred percent tariff on something like a BYD or any other car made in China, even if they did submit them for federal road safety compliance testing.
- ideasarecool 2y agoThat's not it. He did that stuff to frame it as a tech company not as a car company. WeWork did the same thing. If you are seen as a tech company. Not just another normal company then you can justify the ludicrous evaluations you are getting. While dismissing questions about why your company is worth more than any of your competitor with saner financial statements.
- andrewstuart 2y agoI don’t imagine this has the slightest concern for people having an absolute blast of a time cutting costs. If only such people had as much fun taxing wealthy people and companies as they do firing people and making middle class people into people poor.
- rgmerk 2y agoAs I understand it, Musk's stake in Tesla is roughly half his net worth. And while SpaceX currently has a monopoly on the affordable launch market, my understanding is that's about to go away. I wouldn't like to be SpaceX seeking new government contracts under the next Democratic administration.
- ben_w 2y ago> I wouldn't like to be SpaceX seeking new government contracts under the next Democratic administration. I think the limits of government contracts are why they've diversified into Starlink. Even without political aspects (which Musk may not have planned correctly for), the global mobile broadband market is just bigger than the pot of money governments want to spend on spying and weather forecasts. What may well mess him up that side is that even if he gets a monopoly in the USA satellite broadband industry, China has no reason to sit back and just allow US dominance over their geopolitical zones of influence, and will fund their own. Even aside from Kessler cascade risks (I have absolutely no idea how far away that really is), the competition risk is real.
- notahacker 2y agoThey launched Starlink because the opportunity was there and vertical integration gave them better cost structure and speed of execution than putative competitors. Commercial demand for payload space is substantial and growing and lacking in quality competition so they're probably less beholden to govt than many other space contractors But yeah, vibes are shifting from "well more realistic European launch options would be a nice thing to have but SpaceX's cost/kg and schedule is very good" to "actually it may be necessary for security for governments to back launch competitors and OneWeb"
- lqet 2y agoApart from the political implications, it certainly doesn't help that European news are full of reports that Tesla cars place last in national reliability rankings for EVs. https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom-in-german-tuv-reliability-test-again/ https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom...
- mytailorisrich 2y agoTesla was always going to face a harder time at some point (leaving politics aside). They had a good time because they had this 'cool' image and had no real competition for a time, although their quality and realiability issues (in addition to American cars' reputation) were known. But now you have alternatives both on price and quality as all the European and Japanese incombents have an EV lineup and Chinese are pushing hard. So they are becoming one brand among many in a cut-throat market and don't really shine in any aspect.
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoInteresting stats. I notice cheaper cars start to dominate in later years. One obvious conclusion is that they are cheaply made but I wonder how much is the possibly sensible decision of owners of low cost cars to skip expensive regular maintenance and wait for something to fail a legally required test before getting it fixed? Now that I think about it, I think the last time these stats were shared there was some chatter about these faults being caught and fixed by service mechanics before the test in other brands. Can't quite remember the mechanism by which such fixes wouldn't be counted in these stats though. Possibly just Tesla fan copium, there's a lot of that about.
- Ekaros 2y agoI dropped my car to dealership and asked them to do MOT for me as service. They will first check everything and likely call me for approval to fix it. Or if under warranty do the repairs under warranty without prompt. Thus clear visible issues will be handled even before car arrives in inspection. This covers things like tires, lights, but also suspension components or if OBH tells something is wrong. In general the inspection is not even attempted if there is something to fix.
- jblezo 2y agoAs a French, I had previously no opinion on Tesla and I could have bought one. I saw it as a geeky, high-end stuff. But those days I see owning a Tesla as activism (probably unconsciously). I would preferably buy any another brand rather than being flagged as an Elon-fan in my neighborhood.
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- aredox 2y ago>getting me from A to B safely and cheaply And how do you expect that to be true when Elon, through his political power, has all regulators under his thumb?
- palata 2y agoYou're entitled to your own opinion, but one of the few things you can do as an individual is choose carefully what you buy. I do care, and I understand why many people do care as well. But again, it's your right not to care.
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- Juliate 2y agoDepends. If it does harm you, in some way or another, it's not absurd to talk about it. You may not care, but everything we do is a statement about ourselves, consciously or not.
- actionfromafar 2y agoThat flavor of "illness" isn't special at all, it's very normal. Behold any boycott pretty much ever.
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- yalogin 2y agoStill not reflecting in the stock. His constant lying that “fsd is coming in a few months” hasn’t reflected in the stock either.
- megadata 2y agoTesla doesn't have shareholders. They have a congregation.
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- locallost 2y agoIt went down a lot again in the last weeks. It remains volatile, goes up quickly on a lot of promises, but then retreats etc.
- nindalf 2y agoFSD within 12 months! Yes, it wasn't true when he said it in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 or 2024. (https://www.jalopnik.com/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving-cars-anniversary-autopilot-1850432357/ https://www.jalopnik.com/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving-cars-a...) But 2025 is the year baby! I'm a complete believer!
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- soulofmischief 2y agoThe market will remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent. Stock price is not directly tied to a company's performance. It's tied to investor sentiment of a company's performance in the future.
- Hikikomori 2y agoHow it used to work maybe, meme stocks are not tied to any performance or prediction other than stock going up.
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- scotty79 2y agoShareholders could bring back Eberhard as CEO and Tarpenning as Chair of the board. Musk has just 20 percent. He can be kicked out.
- imafish 2y agoSure, but he will keep owning 20%. People simply don't want to put any more money in his pocket.
- gtirloni 2y agoThe damage he's done to the Tesla brand will take a while to fix, maybe a decade or more until people forget about it. That is, if the damaging stops.
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- aurareturn 2y agoTSLA would drastically drop if Musk is removed as CEO. TSLA is pure Musk and his promises and connections to Trump.
- refurb 2y agoWould never happen. Shareholder votes to give Elon $50B in compensation. The courts threw it out, so they voted again. And gave it to him again. They know Tesla’s success hinges on having Musk run it.
- jagermo 2y agoSales of "I bought this before Elon went crazy" stickers are up, however.
- lqet 2y agohttps://sticker-depot.de/products/aufkleber-i-bought-this-before-elon-went-crazy https://sticker-depot.de/products/aufkleber-i-bought-this-be...
- rbanffy 2y agoIn Ireland car licenses start with the year of manufacture, so if your license starts dates it from 2020 or after, that excuse isn't too convincing.
- Mashimo 2y agoI think 2018 he called the cave diver a pedo, who tried to rescue the group of small kids. That was my frist "wat.jpeg" moment about Musk, at least the one I remember.
- rvnx 2y ago"Best" part of that story is that the court protected Musk's "freedom to insult" and considered it was an insult and not defamatory, so there is really no justice on that planet.
- null_investor 2y agoRemember that... we don't have numbers yet from Tesla in Europe after Musk did the Sieg Heil. I live in Europe and people absolutely went batshit crazy about it, not only in Germany. People really despise that gesture. I'm willing to bet sales in Europe for Tesla FY2025 will be terrible. I know many Tesla owners here that are considering selling the car because they are also afraid of the car dropping even further in price because too many people will want to sell it.
- igleria 2y agoThis is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD...
- lompad 2y agoOn average, yes. But if you look on a voting map[0], you'll notice that the majority of those votes comes out of the former DDR. In many other areas, much less than 1 in 5 voted for the brownshirts. [0]: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreisergebnisse-karte-bundestagswahl-2025-100.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreiserg...
- Garlef 2y agoYes. But: The map does not reflect polulation density. (Which is rather low)
- at0mic22 2y agoDDR is not a proper Germany, cant count them
- lompad 2y agoNo, the point I am making is that it very much depends on their location if this "1 in 5"-average is even remotely true. And looking at overall population statistics and concentration of jobs, it's comparatively likely that somebody migrating to germany is _not_ in those areas. And I do think that's important to point out.
- maxehmookau 2y agoI always wanted a Tesla before Elon turned far-right. Now I would never buy one. This is the "find out" part of the old adage.
- churchill 2y agoI'm wondering to what degree Elon's political activism would have affected his wealth if he owned a boring commodities business. That, I think, is the only niche that creates a loophole for Elon-style social activism. Whether your company sells bulk minerals, or exports millions of tons of wheat, iron ore, or coal, your customers are mostly faceless corporations and you can quietly funnel money to politics or even take a public stance without losing money. That Koch model is hard to replicate when your main cash cow are high-end, $50k to $100k consumer devices that people spend months researching before making a decision.
- rgmerk 2y agoNote to aspiring founders: insulting your core customers is not good business.
- Ekaros 2y agoSame goes for politicians. Insulting your potential voters is moronic.
- walrus01 2y agoBrought to you by the same guy who got up on a stage and told the major X advertisers "go fuck yourself".
- Etheryte 2y agoGerald Ratner's speech [0] was supposed to be a case study, not an aspiration. > After the speech, the value of the Ratner group plummeted by around £500 million, which very nearly resulted in the group's collapse. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner#Career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner#Career
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- tim333 2y agoI was wondering if this was a Ratner moment. There are a lot of similarities.
- paganel 2y agoHe's the got ear (and more) of the President of the United States at a time when the Executive Power in the US is the strongest it has ever been, if any "aspiring founder" sees that as a thing not to emulate then they should start thinking about doing something else with their lives.
- rgmerk 2y agoThe US government is not going to replace the foreign markets he's busy trashing.
- techterrier 2y agoI got one recently (UK). Luckily my pals are nice people, so rather than give me a hard time about Elon, they instead complemented my car on how much luggage will fit in das boot.
- tpm 2y agoDid they indicate the amount of luggage with a raised right hand?
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- palata 2y agoI would like to have stickers of Elon doing his nazi salutes, that I could put on Teslas I see in the streets.
- hermannj314 2y agoI see several Teslas a day and have never thought to associate the personal property of an individual with with the political beliefs of a shareholder of the company that makes it. I'm curious what you are compelled to do when you see a Volkswagen.
- palata 2y agoWhat I am compelled to do now, or what I would have been compelled to do in 1943 if my neighbour had bought a VW? It's pretty different, isn't it?
- hermannj314 2y agoIn 4+ years if we are 4 years into a global war, involving mass genocide, and 10s of million of dead, and your neighbor buys a Tesla, I would be fine if you defaced it with a sticker. It's not even 1939 yet. Leave the Tesla alone.
- iimaginary 2y agoHard to believe anyone is still buying them at all. Surely the company is totally irredeemable in the eyes of the vast majority of their customer base.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y agoIn case of a war between US and Denmark, or whole Europe, remotely controlled cars can be used as weapons.
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- palata 2y agoPlease tell that to European countries buying F35.
- rbanffy 2y agoNATO will have to rethink that as well if they consider the US an unreliable partner. Hopefully, this insanity ends in four years.
- skrebbel 2y agoEven if the insanity ends in four years (which is starting to seem increasingly unlikely tbh, does anyone still believe next elections will be smooth and fair?), the US will be considered an unreliable partner for much longer. A reputation of reliability explicitly means not pulling tricks like these. If you do, it means you're unreliable.
- palata 2y agoWell the US have been very clearly saying that NATO is pretty much dead. And NATO-countries are very much considering the US an unreliable partner. Also it's interesting that you wrote "partner": 2 months ago people would have said "allies", now it's "unreliable partner".
- ozmodiar 2y agoIf people try to go back to the way things were in 4 years they're stupid. Trump threatens allies, nakidly goes after political enemies and makes 'jokes' about becoming a dictator and the people love it unless/even if it negatively impacts them. Hell, Korea almost turned into a dictatorship in the last few months and Yoon still has a lot of support even after being found out and removed. Democracies are fragile and the only way I can see them surviving is if power isn't concentrated.
- arcade79 2y agoI have a Tesla, and up until Elon did a hitler salute, I was more then willing considering that my next car would be a Tesla too (my main annoyance being that windshield wipers was enabled/disabled on the screen on model 3s). After the Hitler salute? Nope. No. Absolutely not. I want absolutely nothing to do with anything new that man ever comes up with again. Which hurts, given how much I've loved watching SpaceX launched, and how much I've loved watching Tesla get cooler and cooler.
- sz4kerto 2y agoWhat are you going to get instead? I think that Chinese EVs are flooding the market but it's absolutely not better to support China than supporting Tesla. Hyundai/Kia - maybe an option, primarily because people don't know that much about South Korea :) I find it very sad that purchasing a car from a publicly traded company with tens of thousands of employees is somehow interpreted as supporting the politics of the CEO of said company. Life shouldn't be politicised that much
- null_investor 2y agoIoniq is so fucking amazing. It's also always the top EV seller ex. Tesla. It's the best parts of Tesla mixed with the best qualities of Korean manufacturing. Volkswagen's ID5s are also very good since last year. Many of the software woes seems to be fixed.
- Hikikomori 2y agoDrove an ID5 on a trip in France last year, really good car.
- XorNot 2y agoWild to post that second part underneath "don't support China".
- mongol 2y agoYes it is sad, but the stakes are too high to ignore. I don't know where you live but in Europe most people are very disappointed in recent actions by the US. Any decision, from small to large, now should factor in if it benefits Europe or the US. It is a matter of being reciprocal.
- locallost 2y agoOn top of alienating the target audience, it doesn't help that Musk is going all in associating himself with people who will give up their fuel nozzles when they pry them from their cold dead hands.
- antirez 2y agoGood, now our (european) politicians should stop forcing companies like Volkswagen, with an incredible history and technological background, giving money to Musk for carbon credits. Use the same money to improve public transportation and the long term impact on CO2 will be better for sure. Not only civil cars are a trivial part of CO2 emissions, but there are many other effective ways to improve things: avoid trucks to move goods, in favor of trains (we have good trains on average) and boats, like 30/40 years ago. Public transportation, as I said. Warming systems... All changes that could have greater effects without destroying our car industry. For reference: Volkswagen has 650k employees. 300k in Germany, 350k outside.
- pjc50 2y ago> cars are a trivial part of CO2 emissions Sadly this isn't true. Not to mention the particulates which VW defrauded everyone about. VW need to stop their engine division running the company and get with the affordable EV programme.
- menaerus 2y ago> Sadly this isn't true. CO2 emissions from fossil fuels is 38 billion tones in 2023 (https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions) Oceania: ~0.5 billion tones Aviation: ~1 billion tones Africa: ~1.5 billion tones Europe: ~5 billion tones America: ~7.2 billion tones Asia: ~22.5 billion tones This includes the fossil fuels from the whole industry and not only the civil transportation. Europe constitutes ~13% of total (world) emissions. How much does the fossile fuel car industry contribute to these numbers? I couldn't find that information.
- menaerus 2y ago> How much does the fossile fuel car industry contribute to these numbers? I couldn't find that information. Let's try to deduce this number. According to https://www.acea.auto/files/ACEA-report-vehicles-in-use-europe-2023.pdf https://www.acea.auto/files/ACEA-report-vehicles-in-use-euro... in 2023 there had been ~294M passenger cars registered (on the road) in EU+EFTA+UK (page nr 4). Roughly around 93% of those ~294M passenger cars are either petrol or diesel, so ~274M (page nr 14). According to https://www.acea.auto/figure/average-co2-emissions-from-new-passenger-cars-by-eu-country https://www.acea.auto/figure/average-co2-emissions-from-new-... the average CO2/km consumption for new cars is 110g. Let's correct this figure so that it also includes the older cars so let's assume that the CO2/km consumption is 130g. Let the average passenger car distance travel be 15k km a year. 274M cars * 15k km * 130g = 5.343×10¹⁴g = 0.5343 billion tonnes. So, only 10% of total CO2 emissions from Europe and 0.01% of total CO2 emissions in the world?
- walrus01 2y agoIt looks like Tesla is entering the "find out" part of the FAFO equation.
- thrance 2y agoI feel somewhat vindicated seeing no pro-Elon comments here anymore (or very few). I've been saying since 2017 that he's crooked and full of sh*t, when he engaged in union-busting while describing himself as a "socialist". Now that he's overtly showing his incompetency, stupidity and rancid ideas to the world, people see him for what he always was. A failed father abandoning his children, a pathetic man cheating at video games to seek attention, a mediocre self-serving neonazi.
- null_investor 2y agoIt's really surprising to see that in HN. I personally fucking love rockets and what he did. But for the past years made me hate the man. My guess is that most people here are center-right wing, or at least a majority of HN isn't left-leaning. It's surprising he managed to make even that audience hate him
- thrance 2y agoTo be clear, I think it's fine to be excited about what SpaceX does. Elon is not the one thinking, designing, building and flying the rockets.
- milesrout 2y agoHN is extremely (American) left-leaning. Do you not remember the threads about the murderer of the health insurance CEO? Any thread about US politics? Or just the simple fact every thread about office politics or workplace relations is VERY pro-unionisation, VERY anti-manager. HN highly favours higher taxes, higher minimum wage, trade unionism, work from home, open borders, net zero etc. Of course it is an American leftism rather than European leftism or Commonwealth leftism which have different focuses.
- thrance 2y agoHonestly, until very recently, I haven't felt that at all. Just look at the thread on Trump winning the elections. You might be right in that the majority of users may be democrats, but that doesn't mean they are all pro-union, pro-redistribution, etc. I wouldn't call management-bashing leftist, everyone engages in that, even if right-wingers refuse to go further than individual action.
- cromulent 2y agoIt's not mentioned in the article, but the EU imposed tariffs on Chinese made EVs at the end of October. Tesla had a 7.8% tariff imposed. BMW's are at 20.7%. Most Teslas sold in the EU last year were imported from China. Both companies are fighting it in court. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/27/tesla-takes-eu-to-court-over-tariffs-on-evs-made-in-china-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/27/tesla-tak...
- pjc50 2y agoI'm very annoyed by this; if Europe is serious about the EV transition and the ban on new ICE sales, it should not be putting trade barriers in front of cheap EVs!
- altacc 2y agoThey're to protect Europe's car manufacturing industry, which is a significant industry which directly and indirectly employs a lot of people and circulates a lot of money. Part of that industry is green technology, which is exactly what Europe needs to build up. Europe has a challenge in that it wants to keep local manufacturing industries but also make sure that they are environmentally and socially responsible, which costs a lot more than other countries without those concerns and cheaper costs. I'm no fan of the ridiculous trade wars but totally free trade hasn't proved to be an outright success. I know the playing fields aren't level but I don't know what the sensible middle ground solution is.
- thrance 2y agoI'd rather we tax foreign imports and give subsidies for locally-made EVs. Especially now that Europe seems to be on its own for the near future.
- xnx 2y ago> BMW's are at 20.7%. BYD?
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- calrain 2y agoYou would have to be making a strong statement to buy a Tesla now, even a second hand one. And sadly, not a statement about cars.
- senordevnyc 2y agoTo be fair, I know people who would buy a Tesla now and the statement they'd be making is "I don't give a shit about politics".
- calrain 2y agoIt's like those parents that don't give a shit about memes, and name their daughter Karen anyways. It catches up with you regardless
- troupo 2y agoMy go to joke on this is: "Oh, so it was USAID that was buying all the Teslas"
- at0mic22 2y agoJust a reminder: People supporting Elon do not typically post here or on reddit. Do not fall into illusions that DOGE team is loosing support.
- simion314 2y ago>Just a reminder: People supporting Elon do not typically post here or on reddit. There are subreddits where for sure Elon fans are posting, I can see them in the Tesla one, I have no idea where MAGAs and nazis are gathering but I bet Elon fans are tehre too
- at0mic22 2y agoIt is not about subreddits and their count per se, it’s about the fuzz around some topics. Algorithms detect boiling shit very well and apparently today there's no reason for Elon supporters to throw shit on the fan.
- tim333 2y agosee >Is America tired of Musk and DOGE? Poll shows dwindling support for cost-cutting billionaire https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-doge-approval-rating-latest-b2703590.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- at0mic22 2y agoTook me a while to find poll results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kdcXmy8B1zajwnb6KUbZ-KxUixlTPoTY3Bg_Bfld0h0/htmlview# https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kdcXmy8B1zajwnb6... 2k respondents is not very representative tbh
- tim333 2y agoGuess it'll depend on how things go. I imagine a lot of people are like the Robert McCabe guy: >I thought that someone with his business acumen would have come in with a fine-tooth comb and actually found it instead of coming in with a wrecking ball and destroying people’s lives for no reason. https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/02/trump-voter-shocked-to-get-fired-by-doge-its-destroying-peoples-lives.html https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/02/trump-voter-shocked-to-g...
- not_your_vase 2y agoBeside the person of Elon himself, there is another thing too: Tesla cars are old. Yesterday's design with yesterday's features. There hasn't been a new Tesla since what... a decade? Sure, Cybertruck exists, but that's not really comparable to a Tesla 3 for example, in its function, target customers and price...
- pwagland 2y agoBut that really isn't true either. The model 3, for example, has undergone 3 or 4 refreshes that change a lot. They have not dramatically changed the exterior of the car, which I know a lot of people think is absolutely critical, since an 8 year old model 3 looks almost identical to a new model 3. Most car makers haven't released new models in a long time, they just update their current models, and make them visibly different from the outside. Now… if you were talking about the lack of new feature _in_ the car, then I would be happy to agree. And if you want to talk about the _still_ lacking functionality of automatic wipers…
- Neil44 2y agoYes - Tesla seem to make very big changes under the hood that aren't obvious from outside so you don't realise they're actually refreshing the models. For example at a refresh of the Y they changed it so that the whole floor was battery and the seats etc bolted to that. Massive castings come and go. Pretty huge updates.
- flowerthoughts 2y agoWhat's the benefit to the customer? Usually the silent changes are for making the product cheaper and increasing profits. Did it provide more leg room or battery capacity, or something else?
- EasyMark 2y agoYeah not sure what they're talking about. I'm not gonna buy a tesla because their quality is usually crap and mediocre when you "get a good build". Now with his shenanigans and experimentation with fascism and ignorance of the constitution, I can confidently say I will never want to be associated with that. I am thinking on a hybrid small SUV now.
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- poulpy123 2y agoI would not buy it anyway because it's too expensive and I don't want an EV but if I was looking for this kind of car, seeing the CEO acting so stupid would put me off
- technion 2y agoEvery single Tesla ad I've seen is for the cybertruck. Which you can't get in my country. I researched cars online when I bought a car last year and saw a lot of youtube and Facebook ads for Tesla ever since, and I basically viewed Tesla as "the cybertruck company". Is it like this in the EU?
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y agoIn France no one knows about the cybertruck. It’s only regular Teslas.
- Jasp3r 2y agoThe cybertruck is not sold in europe, is is too big, too heavy and does not meet our pedestrian safety regulations.
- refurb 2y agoIf you look at Tesla sales globally they’ve never been higher. I think Tesla will survive. https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-vehicle-deliveries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-v...
- freetonik 2y agoThe link shows data up to and including 2024. The biggest drop in sales in Europe had started in 2025.
- refurb 2y agoSure, it’s 1 month of 2025. Maybe best to wait before we mourn or celebrate the death of Tesla?
- timbit42 2y agoThe drop didn't begin until Elon's salute on Jan 20th, so only the last 1/3 of the month. February is going to show a much larger drop, possibly around 90%. Tesla board members are already selling their stock because they know it's going to crash hard when the February numbers come out.
- refurb 2y agoYou’re mistaking the internet world with the real world. Most people I know don’t know anything about a Musk salute. I’m going to predict that Tesla sales will see a small but insignificant dip in Q1.
- achatham 2y agoYour link literally says the opposite. Sales dropped from 2023 to 2024.
- rmu09 2y agoAs european and a driver of a model 3, I would also not consider buying a tesla again. It's not the car, it has some flaws, I never bought into the FSD bullshit and basically knew what I was going into. But now it more and more feels like driving a car with a huge swastika sticker on it, and I don't see that going away in the foreseeable future.
- dagss 2y agoI own a Model Y and love it. No way my next car will be a Tesla though. I mean I would be embarrassed in front of everyone I know if I got one independent even of my own feelings. Here in Norway there is a ridiculous number of Teslas. I think just in the houses I can see on my street I count 5 of them. So perhaps understandably many in Norway are still in denial about the nazi salute. Media talked about "strange arm gesture" at the time. But the 14 US flag posts on X should remove any doubt. Also the effect is clear: Bannon did a less veiled and undeniable salute, with much less attention since Musk had gone before. Accidentally signalling that you are a nazi and being too stressed and embarassed to properly apologize about it? Perhaps. But twice in a month? Don't think so.
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- angusb 2y agoOver 50% of Tesla's sales are model Y which is going through a version upgrade at the moment. The new version is widely publicised, much better than the old one, and will be available in the next few months. Why would you buy a model Y now? A big dip was also observed during the model 3 upgrade in Q1 2024. Everybody is obsessing so much over Elon's behaviour right now that they are glossing over important other factors.
- techorange 2y ago99 times out of 100 I would say boycotts don’t matter that much, certainly not to 45% of sales. An interesting counter to that though is that Elon Musk’s whole marketing strategy has been to be the lead marketer and do no advertising (until recently)
- skissane 2y agoAlso: Musk is in the headlines a lot right now with DOGE, but DOGE is officially a “temporary organization” which expires mid next year, plus Musk is employed by the White House using a status (special government employee) which only allows him to work for 130 days out of 365. So, it seems plausible DOGE at some point might declare “mission accomplished” and be dissolved. Musk might step back from his White House role and spend more time on his companies. And then consumers may start to forget about all this… some new political controversy not involving Musk might take its place in the short attention span of the general public Of course, maybe Musk will find the White House too addictive and find a way to sidestep all those time limits and become a permanent fixture in this administration (assuming also that Trump doesn’t tire of him at some point)-in which case this might be a longer-term weight around Tesla’s neck. We don’t know what’s going to happen
- EasyMark 2y agoElon is Tesla, and his popularity is declining rapidly. I don't think it's a boycott, it just avoiding guilty by association driving a vehicle that is strongly associated with someone who is currently the biggest clown in Washington, and not the funny type. the type that aims to hurt veterans, cut medicine to old folks, and decimate the future of social security, all to lower taxes and regulations on billionaires.
- jdietrich 2y agoMuch as people want this to be political, I think it's just business. The European EV market has rapidly become very competitive and Tesla just aren't keeping up. They haven't launched a new model for several years, but there's a flood of new cars from European, Korean and Chinese brands that offer very compelling features and value. The Model 3 was supposed to be a breakthrough in affordable EVs, but it's now twice as expensive as the cheapest EVs on the European market. It also isn't particularly small by European standards, which leaves Tesla with nothing to compete in the very popular city car and supermini segments. Tesla's cars aren't particularly sexy or novel any more, they're just a bit weird. European brands are selling EVs that look and feel like normal cars, come with the backing of a trusted local dealer, and aren't very much more expensive than their internal combustion counterparts. The huge drop in Tesla sales was entirely predictable based on market fundamentals.
- ekianjo 2y agoIn France the tax rebate for Tesla purchases is gone since January 1st so that must have had a negative effect on sales.
- timbit42 2y agoYes, they had a 57% drop, so greater than Europe as a whole.
- nokeya 2y agoArticle ties sales with politics, but I think that main reason is people finally realising that EV are not so good and cheap as advertised.
- timbit42 2y agoActually, people are realizing EV are better than advertised. Batteries are lasting longer than the warranties. Also, Chinese EVs are very inexpensive so this indicates the price of EVs everywhere is going to drop a lot in the near future, even if Chinese EVs are banned or tariffed in some countries.
- thrance 2y agoWrong, EV sales are up 34% overall in Europe [1]. [1] https://www.electrive.com/2025/02/25/january-figures-ev-sales-up-by-a-third-across-the-eu/ https://www.electrive.com/2025/02/25/january-figures-ev-sale...
- nec4b 2y agoQuestion for all the people who suddenly don't want to have anything to do with Musk or anything American really. Do you feel the same about Chinese manufactured goods or using oil and gas from the middle east or Russia?
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