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It's a "team" of junior hackers. What do you expect? I don't quite understand the motive. I mean the motive of the masses who cheer this on. Is it just to own t
by whoitwas 2y ago
It's a "team" of junior hackers. What do you expect? I don't quite understand the motive. I mean the motive of the masses who cheer this on. Is it just to own the libs? They have to all be evil or completely misinformed. I assume most are ignorant and only a few are evil.
- crocowhile 2y agoWell, the ministry of propaganda says this is la creme de la creme and we can trust their handling of government data blindly. So showing that DOGE is unable to even secure their website is a good exercise of hacker activism. The times are mature to rediscover where the word hacker came from. It never rhymed with billionaire but it seems this website tried hard to change that narrative.
- whoitwas 2y agoExcuse me if you think I referred to Elon Musk as a hacker. He's a marketer. I meant the nazi kids he hired.
- croes 2y agoThe same kids who have now access to vital US systems. Better people learn about their lack of experience fro a hacked doge site than a hacked paxment system. The ones who will hack that won't be as friendly.
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- gunnihinn 2y agoTheir boss does nazi salutes at political events. They’re nazis.
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- vultour 2y agoDo you have a video of him looking like a gummy bear?
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- acdha 2y agoWe got here because wealthy ideologues spent half a century creating a biased media ecosystem and attacking the idea that objective truth exists. Calling someone a Nazi because they made a Nazi salute isn’t causative, it’s just recognizing a problem which should have been tackled more aggressively 20 years ago.
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- acdha 2y agoWhat value do you think comes from trying to finely parse whether the “I was racist before it was cool” guy calling for a “eugenic immigration policy”, who “would not mind at all if Gaza and Israel were both wiped off the face of the Earth” has a slightly different self-identity than his boss who threw the Nazi salutes? “Anti-Semitic bigot who at the very least doesn’t mind being around people who throw Nazi salutes” is longer but doesn’t seem very different in terms of how decent people would view them.
- sussmannbaka 2y agowhich word is acceptable to describe the owner of kkk-is-cool.club and n***.rentals?
- DonHopkins 2y agoDon't lie to carry the water for Nazis. It empties you of all integrity. How about blaming the people who are actually acting like Nazis, and also the actual self described Nazis who are supporting them and cheering them on and recruiting off of Musk platforming and promoting them, of emptying the word of all meaning, among other much worse things. The Nazis are pretty successful to have convinced you to debase yourself by sticking up for them and criticizing anti-fascists for simply calling a spade a spade. So who do you consider worse: the actual Nazis, or people who you believe are emptying the word Nazi of all meaning (boo hoo hoo)? Because you're siding with and defending the actual Nazis from being called what they are. Is there a word for what that makes you?
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- DonHopkins 2y agoBEING nazi/bigot/transphobic/etc is what ATTRACTED every bigot and self admitted Nazi to the Republicans, and there you go, standing up for and defending them by denying reality. If not yet, then at what point exactly would allow anyone to exercise their own free speech by calling Musk, a self described "free speech absolutist", transphobic? What more would he have to do, than to actually publicly attack and verbally abuse and humiliate and deadname and misgender and lie about his own child? How about policing the actual Nazis and bigots and transphobes instead of the people like his daughter who rightfully call him what he obviously is by his very own words and deeds? Elon Musk’s Transgender Daughter Says He Was ‘Cruel’ and ‘Uncaring’: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/business/media/elon-musk-daughter-interview-nbc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/business/media/elon-musk-... Elon Musk's Daughter Attacks Trump's Order, Addresses 'Nazi Salute': https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-daughter-attacks-trump-executive-order-addresses-salute-2019456 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-daughter-attacks-trump-ex... Elon Musk's trans daughter, Vivian Wilson, calls out his Nazi salute: 'Call a spade a spade': https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-trans-daughter-vivian-122626941.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-trans-daughter-vivian-... Elon Musk’s Trans Daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson Calls Him a “Grubby Little Control Freak”: https://www.them.us/story/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-grubby-little-control-freak-2024-election https://www.them.us/story/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-grub... Elon Musk’s transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender...
- Terr_ 2y agoThat was true at one point--I used to make the same objection--but it's 2025 and the threshold has been crossed. If you wait for unassailable academic applicability, when you finally deploy it your prison guards won't care. A quick sampling off the top of my head: The First Consigliere throws double Nazi salutes on national TV and smirks in ambiguity when questioned whether he intended it, the President defends a Nazi march as "very fine people", violent private groups serving their political ends have been placed above any (federal) prosecution, and the administration is actively boasting that they will remove undesirables by creating the largest deportation in the entire history of the nation using the same laws abused for the WWII Japanese internment camps. The label may be rude, but it's not unreasonable... and the more reasonable it is, the better it is to be rude!
- matwood 2y agoI agree with you, but I think it’s important to present facts as facts the best we can. There’s enough terrible things out there both Trump and Musk have said and done, there’s no need to have any shred of mischaracterization. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoIs there really any point in being careful with the facts? It seems like the way to win is to convince people of low interest and/or intelligence, which is all about rhetoric and narrativizing anyways. What’s the utility in truth here?
- matwood 2y agoFair point. But I would argue if the goal is to really change minds then you have to remove little things that allow people to dismiss everything else you said. Low interest/intelligence supporters have probably been shown the rest of the video at this point, so they will label you as a lier and their side as telling the truth and move on. Is it an unfair standard? Yes! There's also so many other events to use hopefully to better effect.
- hkt 2y agoWasn't one of them reported as saying he was racist before it was cool? The whole problem is that the people around Trump (and even more so Musk) do genuinely appear to have Nazi ish beliefs. This is why their attacks on key parts of the state are making such an impact.
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- UncleMeat 2y agoThis isn't what hearsay means.
- boxed 2y agoNo source, a question mark after, super vague reference. How is that not hearsay?
- soylentcola 2y agoThe person in question published it openly on the internet (Twitter). Not gonna bother digging up the proof again because it's been widely reported and not denied - just minimized as some cheeky edgelord humor.
- boxed 2y agoWell I have no idea what is discussed so...
- whoitwas 2y agoI think they're pretty open about the nazi stuff at this point.
- boxed 2y agoNot really. If you're open about it you don't have to hint at it and never say it openly. You know, actually being open about it. Also, neo-nazis. Not nazis. Nazis were a very real political group. Some are even still alive. None of these teenagers were even born. Their PARENTS weren't even born.
- whoitwas 2y agoIf you want to get technical and nuanced about it, that's fine. Neo nazi is a nazi. Punch a nazi. It's good.
- squarefoot 2y agoDoes that make a difference? Their views check every mark in the description of a Nazi, and they identify themselves as such. If someone walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, in a world where any sane person would do their best to not even appear a duck, they're ducks. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/06/nx-s1-5289337/elon-musk-doge-treasury https://www.npr.org/2025/02/06/nx-s1-5289337/elon-musk-doge-... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93q625y04wo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93q625y04wo Tell me you really want your personal data in the hands of those people.
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- lazyasciiart 2y agoThis is like arguing that the Republican Party is the one that ended slavery and therefore Republican voters today are not racist.
- ocdtrekkie 2y agoMany people who are not in tech circles think Elon is a brilliant expert in everything from artificial intelligence to space travel. People who largely think of technology fields as magic hail him as like the modern Galileo who cannot be wrong.
- ml-anon 2y agoMany people in tech circles also think this. People in tech are no smarter or no more resistant to grift and propaganda. See this entire comment section.
- notfed 2y agoThe motive of people to cheer any team on is, generally, tribalism.
- altacc 2y agoHanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". I think for those cheering on it's a mix of both. Culture wars have made them gleeful when they see opportunities for others to suffer and they're ignorant of how this is negatively affecting them, their morals and society. But it's definitely malice from Musk, Trump and the rest of the oligarchs. They have for a long time been clear that their plan is to tear down everything and rebuild around themselves and everyone else is a pawn to be used to their benefit. These people are purely transactional, they don't believe in societal goods, just what benefits them must be best for everyone.
- whoitwas 2y agoIt might be prudent to consider emigration or at least divesting from real estate assets. I assume property values will evaporate along with the stock markets if this train keeps on rolling.
- sangnoir 2y ago> I assume property values will evaporate along with the stock markets if this train keeps on rolling. The US government can prop up the stock market for a very long time. Anyone who purchased Puts early on during COVID times found themselves on the opposite side of a suddenly generous Fed that poured hitherto unseen amounts of liquidity directly into the markets. The chickens only came to roost in the next administration, but ai suspect they could have kept at it for 10+ years and still kept inflation under 12-15%
- Terr_ 2y agoDuring the first Trump administration I regularly tried to discern the difference, but ultimately that was a mistake--a kind of engaging and draining analytical junk food--and one I'm not going to make a second time. > Trump-scandals kinda killed Hanlon's Razor for me: A miasma inseparably blurring the lines between malice and incompetence, lies and ignorance, culpability and insanity, condensing into a greasy alloy which is definitely some amount of evil yet not worth anybody's time to separate and assay. I refuse to feed the algorithm more pathological input for another denial-of-service attack. For anything from that crowd of repeat-offenders, I declare the answer to be both. If they want to assert something was just incompetence or just malice, the onus is on them to provide the argument either way.
- croes 2y agoEver heard of the banality of evil? Ignorance is in some ways worse than being genuinely evil. You should be worried because the same guys who are resonsible for this web site are now in charge of much more vital systems and there are much bigger threats who just wait do get important data.
- boxed 2y agoI would make a stronger claim: ignorance + power + conviction is exactly equal to evil. Mao killed tens of million of his own people because of his misconceptions about farming, economics, and ecology. Hitler killed millions because of his misconceptions about jews. 9/11 was executed becuase of a small group that were very confused about the basic facts of reality ("god"). There is only delusion + power + conviction. There is no other evil.
- monsieurbanana 2y agoDelusion + power + conviction doesn't always equal evil, so there has to be something missing in that equation. I'd wager it's evil.
- card_zero 2y agoThough this doesn't really answer the question of motivation. Few people aim to do something that they regard to be bad. (It's possible, mind you.)
- throwaway03445 2y agoCalling something "evil" is implying an external force (often linked to religion), that I don't think should be used. It reduces the responsibility of the person doing "evil" acts. I think the missing ingredient is simply not caring about the outcome. It could be because they don't have empathy (sociopaths), or that the society has trained them into normalising obedience to the cause (facsism / communism) or inhumanized their targets (consentration camps). Acts can certainly be described as "evil", but I don't agree that "evil" is some type of force that affects people.
- fabian2k 2y agoFor some reason quite a number of people seem to believe the purpoted goals of DOGE, removing waste and increasing efficiency of the government. I can't really understand that as it seems obvious to me that they're just destroying parts of the government they don't like. And while there is certainly room for improvement in many areas, whatever they're doing is not going to improve anything, it's only destruction.
- nxobject 2y agoAnd, currently, firing everyone without just-cause protections (probationary workers, as well the contractor workforce - nearly equal in size to federal employees.)
- Arn_Thor 2y agoIt befuddles me too. My understanding is that government spending is approved by congress and that all organizations except the Pentagon have passed their audits. This is not to say that there isn't _some_ waste, fraud and abuse in between the cracks, but any large expense is approved by Congress and the executive can't unilaterally override those spending choices.
- PaywallBuster 2y agoCongress approves the annual budget for each department, it's not micromanaging how it's spent
- varjag 2y agoIt had approved the budget for USAID which was slashed wholesale.
- KennyBlanken 2y agoWhat exactly do you think a budget is? There's a reason the federal budget is several inches of very thin paper. The budget spells out how much money gets spent for various purposes, programs, projects, etc. Of course they don't specify the kind of paperclips the FAA buys. But they will approve or modify the FAA's budget plan which includes $X for office supplies, $Y for an upgrade to the FAA's network equipment in a branch office, $Z for upgrading some nav beacons, and so on. The executive branch can't defund or "stop spending money on" anything. Nixon decided he just wouldn't spend money on programs he didn't like, and congress very rapidly passed a law that said that the president couldn't do it, because the "power of the purse" rests solely with congress. It certainly can't stop issuing payments for existing obligations, and it especially can't take money back, which M did a day or two ago to NYC because he read a tweet that said NYC was spending money housing migrants in "luxury hotels", which shockingly turned out to be nonsense... That's why all of this DOGE crap is such theatrical nonsense. Congress, representing their state's interests and the interests of those who live in their district, via two separate branches, approves all the budgets. No matter what T and M say, no federal agency can just willy-nilly decide to spend money it's allocated by congress on other stuff.
- kennysoona 2y ago> I assume most are ignorant and only a few are evil. Wilful ignorance equates to evil in this case.
- titzer 2y ago> Wilful ignorance equates to evil in this case. The media are absolutely craven, too, constantly normalizing insanity and pretending like even idiotic things are legitimate proposals that should instead be laughed out of the room. Like, maybe the Earth is flat? Let's HAVE THAT DEBATE!!
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- teekert 2y agoThe people cheering them on are an anti-elitist bunch, the see themselves as the revolution for the people. But they don’t understand the finer details of all the things going on in a modern government-society system, and most importantly they lost faith in it.
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- kubav027 2y agoExactly, those people are happy because "Musk will show them!". That is it.
- sanitycheck 2y agoSadly we can explain most bad things that happen by understanding that most people are f*cking idiots.
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- harywilke 2y agoThe masse cheering this on have been told for decades that this is what they want. This is a response to Reagan's welfare queens, The $600 dollar hammer, and "activist judges". They think this is freedom. That this is good governance.
- card_zero 2y agoWheel-warring with democrats, who previously carried out their own subtle power grabs, perhaps. I wouldn't really know, but I suppose "corruption" might mean "things that benefit the other side".
- tclancy 2y agoThe way I’ve been saying it is the Right did such a good job of inventing phony boogeymen to get them elected (and then never do anything about said boogeymen) that they finally bred a generation that thinks their BS is real.
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- whoitwas 2y agoI'm going to assume good faith here. Yesterday they just asked congress for $4.3 trillion in deficit spending (debt increase) to fund tax cuts for the people who pay the lowest taxes already. The majority of government spending is on defense, which hasn't been auditable in decades. You're either wildly misinformed, or trolling.
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- cycomanic 2y agoYou care about debt, so why did you vote for the guy who increased the debt more than his successor https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225 https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and... Also it seems like you're confused by what a budget plan is for, it is what they want to do, not about the past.
- gadders 2y ago>>so why did you vote for the guy who increased the debt more than his successor But less than his predecessor. And I didn't vote, I'm not a US citizen or resident.
- cycomanic 2y agoYou are aware that Obamas presidency lasted twice as long? So DJT added almost as much debt in absolute terms (6.7T vs 7.7T) and just over half as much in relative terms (33% vs 64%) in half the time. That's why I compared to Biden. They are much easier to compare.
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- RIMR 2y ago"Stupid or Evil" has been my go-to logic for approaching far-right agenda items for a long time. You're either so dumb you believe every piece of propaganda you are shown, and never notice the harm being done, or you are fully aware of what's happening and you're cheering on the chaos and suffering.
- cess11 2y agoCommonly the propaganda or myth is a better story than the truth. It's nicer to be in a story about pedos conspiring in a fast food restaurant than being forced to work to pay for universal healthcare in Israel but not getting it yourself. The toil and confusion and nastiness of everyday life under capitalism is not as fun and exciting as an imminent invasion at the southern border or the coming rise of the God Emperor or the final solution to groceries being expensive. Running a soup kitchen and washing clothes for the homeless just hasn't the same attraction as doing nothing by chasing the next Q-drop.
- hn_acc1 2y agoEspecially when (my background, I gave that all up - maybe later than I should have) you already believe in spiritual beings daily fighting over your very soul, etc..
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- InfiniteBox 2y agoI don't know every motive or even most motives for cheering it on. But I know my take on it: I'm an anti authoritarian.
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- MyOutfitIsVague 2y agoIt's incredibly hard to imagine anybody cheering this on to be thoughtful or intelligent. I see no critical thinking, intellectual rigour, or even any interest in real evidence or data. In what way is any of this intelligent or thoughtful? It's the complete opposite of both.
- mehphp 2y agoThe guy leading the charge is calling people “retards” on twitter. How does that effect your “who’s the idiot” calculus? https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889062581848944961?mx=2 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889062581848944961?mx=2
- TheGRS 2y agoWhat would lead me to assume that at this point?
- IAmGraydon 2y agoI'll leave the imagining to you. I'm using my actual senses to observe, and what I observe is that the people who cheer it on are bringing the national average IQ down. If you think anything about the way this is being done is OK, you have been utterly, irreversibly brainwashed. I voted conservative. I did not vote for this.
- josefresco 2y ago> They have to all be evil or completely misinformed. I assume most are ignorant and only a few are evil. I thought that after 2016, I no longer do. It's the reverse. Maybe "evil" is a strong word but they are definitely what I would consider "bad people" based on their extreme selfishness. Most pretend to be ignorant, or "low information" in person but they follow news very closely.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoAgreed. The 2016 were self-serving grifters that didn’t understand the mechanisms of government and were mostly bumbling around. The 2024 team are also self-serving grifters but have a much more coherent plan to shape things to their liking and much smarter people in play. Miller - arguably one of the smartest but also someone to whom the “evil” label perhaps best applies - plays a much bigger role this time around.
- dennis_jeeves2 2y agoAs they say power corrupts - true for most people.
- IAmGraydon 2y agoOne lesson I've learned in my life is that evil is just another word for extreme selfishness.
- eric_cc 2y agoYou have no problems with wasteful spending of tax payers money?
- rvz 2y agoThey were always fine with it until we found out on what that money was spent on. It turns out, that the most of it was a waste at best and grift at worse. As for 'juniors', it's not like we've seen this sort of thing before such as those here happy to propel the opinions of so-called 'climate expert / activist' (Greta Thunberg) who didn't finish school and was used by the media as the face of 'saving the planet' and throwing unfounded claims of disaster by 2023, despite a significant lack of understanding of climate change and what she was talking about. But then again, I have not heard back from Netflix's elite team for a postmortem of that live-streaming disaster which there were no juniors to blame this time despite being inexperienced in delivering live-streaming on their platform reliably.
- tclancy 2y agoThat’s a straw man. Show the waste they are cutting. Musk didn’t even know which Mamas he was talking about when he found out”waste” at USAid and, when told, just shrugged and said it was the press’ job to correct those mistakes. The odds of a junkie recognizing good or bad spending is very low.
- tclancy 2y agoHamas. But what a typo!
- IAmGraydon 2y agoWhy do you guys keep going back to this? No one ever said that whatsoever. We have problems with the way this is being done. If you can't gather that and process it after reading this thread, you may have a problem with ADHD that you should see someone about. No one in this entire thread has said they want to waste taxpayer money.
- anigbrowl 2y agoI mean the motive of the masses who cheer this on. Is it just to own the libs? Yes, in many respects. See this paper for a good model of the basic behavior: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1600451 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1600451
- MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago> I don't quite understand the motive. I mean the motive of the masses who cheer this on. Is it just to own the libs? You're surely being obtuse. I'm a progressive independent and even I understand why they are doing it, even if I'm not convinced this is the correct way to do it. This is why they are doing it: https://www.usdebtclock.org/ https://www.usdebtclock.org/ It's just their idea of austerity.
- IAmGraydon 2y agoI think you're the one who's being obtuse. He said the movtive of the masses, not the Trump administration. The masses know nothing of the US national debt. They just hate liberals, feel that the liberals have had power over them for the last 4 years, and want their revenge. This is the pendulum swinging the other way.