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Tesla Cybertruck Drives Itself into a Pole, Owner Says 'Thank You Tesla'
- belter 2y ago“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin
- 01100011 2y agoThink of how stupid the average person is, and then realize intelligence seems to be normally distributed and that most people are approximately that smart with a small number being dumber or smarter than that person.
- bdangubic 2y agoso normal distribution is pretty much like a straight-graph with some edges/outliers? learn something new every day :)
- ilamont 2y ago“It failed to merge out of a lane that was ending (there was no one on my left) and made no attempt to slow down or turn until it had already hit the curb. Big fail on my part, obviously.”
- smallpipe 2y agoAnothe proof that self-driving cars with human backups should never be allowed on public roads. It's going to be used unsafely because it encourages such behaviour.
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoI wouldn't say "never", however it's clear we're not there yet.
- mingus88 2y agoAnd yet FSD and even lane assist are going to be safer than the driver near you who is scrolling and typing away on their smartphone Don’t mistake my post as a defense of FSD or Tesla. They’ve been lying about their capabilities for what feels like a decade. I don’t want to see FSD and human drivers share a road. I want all cars to be meshed and communicating their intents with vehicles around them to avoid collisions. We will never see that in our lifetime
- toxik 2y agoJudging by how often people press the emergency stop button on the escalators where I live, I fear that relying on the sincerity of strangers (and their cars) is maybe not a viable solution.
- okanat 2y agoAllocating dedicated FSD roads is a terrible future. It will basically kill cities. I find myself agreeing with most of the arguments here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0
- marssaxman 2y agoWe already have dedicated FSD roads, and they work quite well; we just usually call them "subways" or "light rail". I don't see much point in building additional FSD roads for the inefficient, non-platooned, low-capacity, rubber-wheeled trolleycars Tesla makes, though.
- stretchwithme 2y agoI think it would be wise to physically test as many corner cases as possible under extreme conditions. At night, in the snow, going down a hill, birds flying across the road at the same moment a baby robot crawls on to it.
- nomel 2y agoThis, obviously, is one of the ongoing efforts and goals of Tesla AI, and the reason they collect so much data. There's some talk about it in the Lex Friedman podcast(s)[1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiD-9MMpb0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiD-9MMpb0
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoYeah, they also really need videos of the inside of your garage and videos of you with your family in the garage while the car isnt running apparently.
- karlgkk 2y agoFine, that's great and all if you're into that. But if that's what you need to build a FSD product, then you shouldn't be releasing the existing FSD product onto public streets.
- nomel 2y agoSince, Waymo has crashes to, is there a crash-free self driving company? Is self driving something that should not be pursued? Is there a way to achieve it without real world use cases (requiring attentive drivers of course)?
- karlgkk 2y agoMan, why are Tesla fanboys like this... I said /existing/. I do believe Tesla will pull it off, and it's a noble goal, just their track record for safety with this tech has been far from ideal, so far. Honestly, it looks like they're going to get away with it, which makes this all a moot point.. But, let's lay out some facts. First of all, as far as I can tell, Waymo has not had any crashes at fault! It has had some safety issues, but its crash rate is substantially lower than FSD per mile. Even if it has had crashes where it was at fault, we're talking 1 or 2 at-fault crashes over 40 million + miles! Meanwhile, Tesla's latest and greatest plows into lamp posts in non-adverse conditions. Fantastic. Second of all, unlike Tesla, Waymo accepts responsibility and liability for crashes caused by its software. This is actually really crucial, since right now Tesla is pushing that onto the drivers, while selling it as a perfectly safe beta piece of software that is "Full Self Driving". Oxymorons all over the place. > Is self driving something that should not be pursued? I never said self driving shouldn't be pursued. What I'm saying is that Tesla's FSD implementation should not be used on public roads, as it currently stands. > Is there a way to achieve it without real world use cases (requiring attentive drivers of course)? Waymo created test tracks and then logged many hundreds of thousands of miles with cars with human drivers actively monitoring the system. This isn't perfect, of course, but they had a substantially better safety rate than Tesla In summary: the issue isn't if Tesla can do it or not (I'm leaning towards "yes"), or if it's worth doing (it is). The issue is /how/ they're doing it and /who/ they're exposing that risk to.
- nuancebydefault 2y agoThe cybertruck owner is clearly only interested in their own safety. Luckily, in my country cybertrucks are not allowed on the road, for other people's safety.
- luma 2y agoWeirdly, they seem more concerned for Tesla the company than they are for themselves.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago>in my country cybertrucks are not allowed on the road In my EU country either however they have already been spotted on the streets with valid license plates. There are loopholes everywhere usually if you classify it as a commercial utility vehicle for a business instead of a passenger car. There's plenty of people with money and no scruples.
- InitialLastName 2y agoOne doesn't buy a truck like that out of concern for other people.
- nuancebydefault 2y agoDriving such a beast seems to give a very "I'm worthy more than others" feeling. I'm puzzled, what drives this behavior?
- Gigachad 2y agoCybertrucks seem like the modern day Harley motorbikes. A very expensive way to signal anti social personality.
- UncleEntity 2y ago> And rather than being upset with Tesla for selling him a smart dumpster on wheels, the driver took blame for the incident, saying he should have been paying attention. In all fairness he really should have been paying attention. You don't get to abdicate your responsibility to Team Elon because reasons. At the end of the day you will be sitting in the defendant's chair while Tesla will just quietly settle out of court.
- srameshc 2y agoI never knew of such outcome. Probably that is why it is advised to not agree to anything immediately after an accident.
- wccrawford 2y agoAbdicate, not advocate. And just because it's the driver's responsibility doesn't mean it's not also Tesla's.
- UncleEntity 2y agoHonestly, I think the only innocent party here is the light pole. Just can't win as a light pole https://abc13.com/suspected-drunk-driver-milwaukee-wisconsin-highway-crashes-into-light-poles/3459074/ https://abc13.com/suspected-drunk-driver-milwaukee-wisconsin...
- nashashmi 2y agoPost gets 8m views as of this writing. Owner doesn’t want this message to get viral because then tesla gets flak for this. Takes the blame. Wants to share the message of FSD’s fallibility with everyone. Praises tesla for safety. My head hurts with how oxymoronic this is. My best guess is he wants to critique tesla without triggering the ego and arrogance of its owner. “Thank you sir for doing treat work and for fixing this problem in the future”
- MisterTea 2y ago> My best guess is he wants to critique tesla without triggering the ego and arrogance of its owner. Well I imagine that since Musk was handed the keys to various government agencies and installed his henchmen you can see why you want to tread lightly and kiss the ring. Such a wonderful future this is becoming.
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- ikanreed 2y agoAnd my guess is there's a touch of ideology to this person that questioning Tesla and FSD's fundamental safety would hurt. "I screwed up" does a lot less to cause cognitive dissonance than "Something I believe is wrong" There's a lot of possible flavors to that ideology, it COULD be right wing political affinity, but it also could be a belief that technology is superior to human judgement, or that self driving cars are the future, or it could just be that spending 6 figures on an ugly pickup wasn't a waste of money.
- xboxnolifes 2y agoI think you're reading way to much into how people think.
- boringg 2y agoI think he's trying to get special attention without passing on blame to the company. Best way to get help is through kindness (at the outset) not accusatory (even if it is the fault of the company).
- smitelli 2y agoSome cars, when I see photos of them smashed up, I get very sad. NA Miata, Corvette C4, etc. A totaled Cybertruck, honestly, good riddance. It is an extraordinarily difficult vehicle to love. Very glad to hear no pedestrians got hit. Really hope the driver takes some kind of lesson away from this experience.
- spprashant 2y agoI really doubt they are taking any lessons from this. This is the author's second Cybertruck crash in a month. If I didn't know better, I think they are trying to farm engagement.
- dralley 2y ago>This is the author's second Cybertruck crash in a month. JFC
- thih9 2y ago>This is the author's second Cybertruck crash in a month. Does anyone have a source? If true then this defense of Tesla that we see now is even more bizarre.
- spprashant 2y agoThis is pro-tesla/elon account, but the screenshots are legitimate. https://nitter.net/WholeMarsBlog/status/1889098514061492517#m https://nitter.net/WholeMarsBlog/status/1889098514061492517#... The whole thing is funny cause the guy who is so vehemently defending Tesla and FSD despite totaling his car, is being targeted by Tesla fanboy accounts for being a fraud. Twitter is really bottom of the barrel garbage.
- qwerpy 2y agoI drive one and I love it! I wanted a large, robust self-driving family EV and as a bonus it looks unique compared to the blobs that everyone else drives. It's sad that we CT drivers seem to be caught in a crossfire between Tesla and Tesla/Elon haters, when all we want to do is enjoy our cars.
- Animats 2y agoWas this statement made before or after the driver was contacted by Tesla?
- datadrivenangel 2y agoThe front end of the truck is impressively smashed. It must have been going quite fast?
- ec109685 2y agoThere isn’t anything in the front that is rigid so it’s designed to crumple like that to absorb the energy maximally. I think if a car with an engine had it, the pole would have knocked over rather than any sort of t-bone.
- 4ndrewl 2y agoIf the car had a driver in it the pole wouldn't have even been knocked over.
- MiscIdeaMaker99 2y agoI've owned a Model 3 for years now, and FSD is scary as hell. We haven't paid for it -- and we won't -- but every time we get a free trial of it (mostly recently this past Fall), I give it a whirl, and I end up turning it off. Why? Because it does weird shit like slow down at an intersection with a green light. I don't feel like I can trust it, at all, and it makes me more anxious than just using standard auto-steer and cruise control (which still ghost breaks sometimes). I don't get why anyone uses FSD.
- leesec 2y agoI'm on AI4 v13 and havent had a safety intervention in several thousand miles. It's incredible and extremely smooth
- karlgkk 2y agoIt's crazy, because any negative criticism of FSD will have a ton of fanboys pouring out of the walls to tell you how great it is, how great the latest update is, how your anecdotal "evidence" is not typical, etc. Except all you have to do is go try it and it becomes clear to any layperson that it's probably getting there but, and this is really crucial, it's not there yet.
- decimalenough 2y agoWhich is why the fan boys always tell you that it's the next version that will fix all the bugs.
- beretguy 2y agoIt's the next version will fix all the bugs all the way down.
- belter 2y agoIt's like C++ :-)
- brightball 2y ago
- ck2 2y agoone spooky sub is https://old.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck https://old.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck FSD is clearly not even beta quality people keep saying it's "trying to commit suicide" and it's being fixed on the fly at everyone else's cost in life But now they are removing federal reporting requirements so buyers will NEVER know
- viraptor 2y ago> removing federal reporting requirements Got a link for that one?
- dkenyser 2y agohttps://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trump-transition-recommends-scrapping-car-crash-reporting-requirement-opposed-by-2024-12-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trump-... I couldn't find anything suggesting this has been put in place yet though.
- mmastrac 2y agoAt some point these reckless drivers need to start going to jail. I realize it's not going to happen in the US because the government has been captured, but there's clearly some missing messaging where these drivers don't get the point that they need to be paying attention and not tweeting on their phone while their car drives into a lamppost.
- fredfoobar 2y agowhy stop at FSD users? this should apply to all drivers in general. if they cause an accident they need to go to jail.
- mmastrac 2y ago... they do already, if the infraction is deemed serious enough?
- arghandugh 2y agoThis is because Tesla‘s implementation hasn’t worked, doesn’t work, can’t work, won’t work, won’t ever work, and has been a decade-long intentional fraud from a con artist that was designed to pump up a meme stock. THAT worked.
- padjo 2y agoAnd how
- hooo 2y agoI am no fanboy, but I have it on a 2023 model Y. It works incredibly well. It is actually already amazing. You all are just blind from Elon hate.
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- hooo 2y agoWhat statistics? Let’s see it
- AlexeyBelov 2y ago> not a fanboy > you're all blind from Elon hate This is very ironic.
- dexzod 2y agoThank you @Tesla for engineering the best passive safety in the world. I walked away without a scratch. I walked away without a scratch. This could have easily killed an innocent pedestrian or bicyclist. How is this best safety engineering? If the FSD failed there should have been some secondary system to detect an imminent collision and apply brakes.
- decimalenough 2y agoPassive safety is the art of engineering cars so that when they do crash, the occupants are unharmed. What you're asking for, though, is definitionally impossible: obviously the cameras didn't detect the obstacle, so FSD or no, they can't react to it. The actual solution would be to do what every other car maker with self-driving pretensions does and augment the cameras with LIDAR or other sensors.
- diggan 2y ago> Passive safety is the art of engineering cars so that when they do crash, the occupants are unharmed. Judging by the (illegal in Europe) design, passive safety is the only safety Cybertruck has, and the safety of others have absolutely zero importance. Fits with how the rest of the world sees the typical American as well, so maybe not a big shocker. > What you're asking for, though, is definitionally impossible Why is it impossible for the car to stop (legally obviously) if it fails to merge, or even hit the curb, instead of continue straight forward like nothing happened?
- scottyah 2y agoEurope's safety is optimized for its environment: mostly narrow, crooked, and crowded streets with a lot of pedestrians. Most use cases for a pickup truck that's only sold in North America are in the part of America where you're much more likely to crash into a tree, deer, fence post, etc than you are a person.
- brendoelfrendo 2y ago
- josefritzishere 2y agoWhy is this death trap still legal?
- generalizations 2y agoWorth reading the actual tweet, not just the article's truncation of it > Soooooo my @Tesla @cybertruck crashed into a curb and then a light post on v13.2.4. > Thank you @Tesla for engineering the best passive safety in the world. I walked away without a scratch. > It failed to merge out of a lane that was ending (there was no one on my left) and made no attempt to slow down or turn until it had already hit the curb. > Big fail on my part, obviously. Don't make the same mistake I did. Pay attention. It can happen. I follow Tesla and FSD pretty closely and haven't heard of any accident on V13 at all before this happened. It is easy to get complacent now - don't. > @Tesla_AI how do I make sure you have the data you need from this incident? Service center etc has been less than responsive on this. > I do have the dashcam footage. I want to get it out there as a PSA that it can happen, even on v13, but I'm hesitant because I don't want the attention and I don't want to give the bears/haters any material. > Spread my message and help save others from the same fate or far worse. https://x.com/MrChallinger/status/1888546351572726230 https://x.com/MrChallinger/status/1888546351572726230
- weaksauce 2y agohow is this not a cult? if a toyota or mercedes car veered off into a light pole would they write the same tweets? unless this is sarcasm that can, at best in the current times, be construed as serious.
- layer8 2y agoI’m mostly impressed that the pole held up.
- bdangubic 2y agoexactly my first and 1,345 thought! :)
- throw7 2y ago"Big fail on my part, obviously.” Hello? Whether it's Full Self-Driving or not, it's always your fault.
- agumonkey 2y agoIs there a term for when society shifts the frame of reference on all dimensions so that anything that would have been deemed odd / wrong now naturally ends up positive ?
- wswope 2y agoOverton window. It originated as a political term, but can apply to social norms too.
- agumonkey 2y agoOverton is, as best as I understand it, a one dimensional phenomenon, shifting the average. Here it's as if everything is slightly rotated in every axis.
- r00fus 2y agoDoublethink? Dystopian?
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- jeffbee 2y agoAs a general rule, a person who knows the patch level of FSD in their Cybertruck is a person who is about to say something unimaginably stupid.
- andix 2y agoI've seen the tweet before, and the issue I have is: one person is claiming FSD crashed their car. No video, no other evidence. I'm not saying it wasn't FSD, but it is a possibility FSD wasn't even enabled.
- lubujackson 2y ago"Full Self" Driving
- simonjgreen 2y agoI often wonder how far Tesla would have progressed FSD if it wasn’t for the zealous hatred of LIDAR.
- hermitcrab 2y agoYour defective autopilot will drive you into a post and you will be grateful.
- Gigachad 2y agoxAI has determined your existence to be inefficient after you said something detrimental to the Tesla share price.
- gargalatas 2y agoobviously he was.. taking a nap.
- huijzer 2y agoInteresting comments from X: Snowball: "So FSD failed but you still managed to find a way to praise Tesla. You failed too for not taking over in time. But your concern isn't for the lives of third parties that You and FSD endangered. No, you are worried about Tesla getting bad publicity. You have misplaced priorities." Jonathan Challinger (the driver who crashed): "I am rightly praising Tesla's automotive safety engineers who saved my life and limbs from my own stupidity, which I take responsibility for. [...]" Fair points from both sides I think.
- rexpop 2y agoIf he's taking responsibility, why did he specify a semantic version?
- drewg123 2y agoI've had a 2017 Model X since new that came with FSD. I had Tesla upgrade the FSD computer (for free), and drove like a granny during the FSD trial period when you needed to have a certain "score" (which was mostly dictated by not cornering or braking hard) to be eligable for FSD. I try it every major release, and am disappointed every time. In situations where I'd be confident, it is overly cautious. In situations where I'd be cautious, its overly confident and dangerous. I think its best use is to keep the car in the lane while I'm distracted by something (pulling out a sandwich to eat, etc). And it seems like newer Teslas have eye tracking, so it might not even be useful for that.
- Animats 2y agoMusk is currently claiming that Tesla will have driverless robotaxis on the road in June 2025.[1] Be afraid. Be very afraid. Tesla is in a bind. They've been promising self driving Real Soon Now since 2016, with occasional fake demos. Meanwhile, Waymo slowly made it work, and is taking over the taxi and car service industry, city by city. This is a huge problem for Tesla's stock price and Musk's net worth. Now that everybody in automotive makes electric cars, that's not a high-margin business any more. Tesla is having ordinary car company problems - market share, build quality, parts, service, unsold inventory. Tesla pretends they are a special snowflake and deserve a huge P/E ratio, but that's no longer the reality. Tesla doesn't want to test in California because of "regulation". This is bogus. The California DMV is rather lenient on testing driverless cars, and California was the first state to allow them. There was no new legislation, so DMV just copied the procedures for human drivers with a few mods. Companies can get a "learner's permit" for testing with a safety driver easily, and quite a few companies have done that. The next step up is the permit for testing without a safety driver, which is comparable to a regular driver's license. It's harder to get, and there are tests. About a half dozen companies have reached that point. No driving for hire at that level. Finally there's the deployment license, which Waymo and Zoox have. That's like a commercial drivers license, and is hard to get and keep. Cruise had one, but it was revoked after a crash where someone was killed. That's what really scares Tesla. The California DMV can and will revoke or suspend an autonomous driving license just like they'd revoke a human one. Tesla can't just pay off everyone involved and go on. Waymos are all over San Francisco and Los Angeles, dealing with heavy traffic, working their way around double-parked cars, dodging bikes, skateboarders, and homeless crazies, backing out when faced with an oncoming truck in a one lane street, and doing OK in complex urban settings. Tesla has never demoed that level of performance. Not even close. [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-robotaxis-by-june-musk-turns-texas-hands-off-regulation-2025-02-10/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-robotaxis-by-june-m...
- Animats 2y agoNews update: Musk's attempt to buy OpenAI is referred to by an analyst firm as a "distraction" from Tesla's poor performance.[1] "Even with TSLA meeting its June 2025 timeline for driverless covers in (Texas), we still see TSLA as one of several autonomous technology providers, suggesting competition on price and performance." Tesla's P/E ratio is currently 328. Ford is around 9. GM is around 8. Evaluated as a mature car company, TSLA is maybe 20x - 30x overpriced compared to the rest of the industry. A hype injection is needed to keep the price up. Optimus and fake self driving isn't enough. [1] https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-distraction-elon-musk-openai-sam-altman/ https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-distraction-elon-...
- rsynnott 2y agoThis is a particularly extreme case of ‘I love my Tesla, but…’
- godelski 2y agoThere was a post on BlueSky about this the other day. Someone linked a picture of the intersection: https://bsky.app/profile/pickard.cc/post/3lhtkghk6q224 https://bsky.app/profile/pickard.cc/post/3lhtkghk6q224 It is worth noting that this picture is a reply to a screenshot of someone saying the following: > I've lived in 8 different states in my life and most roads I've seen do everything they can to prevent human error (or at least they do once the human has shown them what they did wrong). The FSD should not have been fooled this easily, but the environment was the worst it could have been, also. - Tweet source: https://x.com/MuscleIQ2/status/1888695047044124989 I point this out because I think probably the biggest takeaway here is how often people will bend over backwards to reach the conclusion that they want, rather than update their model to the new data (akin to Bayesian Updating for you math nerds). While this example is egregious, I think we all should take a hard look at ourselves and question where we do this too. There's not one among us that isn't resistant to change our beliefs, yet it's probably one of the most important things we can do if we want to improve things. If we have any hope of being able to not be easily fooled by hype, if we are to be able to differentiate real innovation from cons, if we are able to avoid joining Cargo Cults, then this seems to be a necessity. It's easy to poke fun at this dude, but are we all certain that we're so different? I would like to think so, but I fear making such a claim is repeating the same mistake I/we are calling out.