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Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]
- bognition 2y agoGreat do Epstein next
- conductr 2y agoHe probably already knows, because, well, ya know
- declan_roberts 2y agoIt should be bipartisan at this point to demand the release. If it makes everyone in office look bad then all the better!
- skullone 2y agoBecause a ton of people in office were his "clients". This country is rotten
- RajT88 2y agoReading the Epstein saga start to finish has been instructive as to how power works in this country. I previously had not understood it.
- dh2022 2y agoWhat you wrote is very interesting (and intriguing). What readings would you recommend?
- acjohnson55 2y agoNot the previous commenter, but I would recommend Hiding In Plain Sight, by Sarah Kendzior. It centers on Donald Trump, but covers in great detail what is publicly known about the seedy history of the people in his orbit, including Epstein, and it calls into question how the people in power in the political, business, and media worlds have left so many questions go unanswered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiding_in_Plain_Sight_(Kendzior_book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiding_in_Plain_Sight_(Kendzio...
- gadders 2y agoI think Biden sniffing every kid he could get his hands on qualifies as "hiding in plain sight".
- volleyball 2y agoNot the person you asked but what (s)he described sounds like "One nation under black mail" by Whitney Web. Actually worried whether the author would get Epsteined herself.
- 4ggr0 2y ago> (s)he 'they' works wonders in such cases :) (hope this is not seen as snarky or whatever)
- shmoe 2y agoThat's precisely why we'll never see it.
- lawn 2y agoTrump, a sexual offender known to grab pussies of random women, had a relationship with Epstein. Yeah, unless his dementia worsens even more he's not going to release those files.
- whycome 2y agoUnless the release won't actually hurt him. There's a big group of persons that will aspire to be powerful enough to do those sorts of things... It would help strengthen his image
- chrisco255 2y ago[flagged]
- likeabatterycar 2y agoNo I don't know, tell us.
- asdf6969 2y agoBecause he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and has personally seen the island
- niceice 2y agoThere's a good chance it will happen, Musk has been pushing for this.
- cma 2y agoI doubt he's pushing for it internally: https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-brother-of-tesla-founder-elon-musk-2020-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfrie...
- ttyprintk 2y agoYeah, you can bet it won’t be on a slow news day.
- ceejayoz 2y agoJust like he’s a free speech absolutist, right?
- mlx0x 2y ago[flagged]
- 5cott0 2y agoat this point "free speech absolutist" is nothing but a revealed preference for censorship
- hackerdues 2y agoSums up the social media era so far. Everyone is a free speech absolutist right up until they get the power to censor.
- dreadlordbone 2y agooh wow this is what hacker news is now, reddit light lol
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- api 2y agoI think the desire to keep that stuff quiet is bipartisan because loads of people from both parties are exposed, as well as too many wealthy people. Now that we also have P-Diddy it makes me wonder just how many high class sleazy pimps with blackmail operations are operating at a given time. This must be a standard racket.
- jondwillis 2y agoBack in the late 2010s, I worked with someone who had a personal relationship with PD, to the point that my business partner was soft pitching our business to PD... The person that I worked with partied with PD and mirrored some of the same (alleged) sort of toxic and abusive antics in their own home and social circles, which I experienced firsthand. There was a darkness emanating from this person that I haven’t really felt before or since. We ultimately stopped working together due to them violating our contract. The public allegations so far totally jibe with my experience associating with PDs associates and my limited visibility into the world of PD. I’m very glad to have come to my senses and avoided any closer orbit of this world.
- api 2y agoThat darkness… wow. I’ve met someone like that, and it made me think I was crazy. I guess it’s your brain stem warning you that this person is dangerous in a certain kind of way— extreme dark triad traits.
- dgfitz 2y agoSurely nobody sees this as a bad thing. It’s been a bit since these events happened.
- bko 2y ago[flagged]
- IAmNotACellist 2y agoI can think of a few agencies that might be sweating. Or maybe it'll come out that it really was just a random nutjob. Or they'll redact something and conspiracy theorists will forever say that the crucial piece of evidence is contained under the last remaining Sharpie ink
- sirbutters 2y agoBullseye. That's exactly what will happen. They have much more to gain by keeping some of the mystery. If they hand out a black and white explanation they have 1 less leverage to manipulate the mass.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y agoHeck, it doesn't matter even if there are zero redactions. I saw a good cartoon along these lines: Trump agrees with the need to release any and all info about the JFK assassinations, which shows that all the evidence points to Oswald being the lone killer. The conspiracy theorist responds "This goes deeper than we thought..." I'm all for releasing all the known evidence about the case, but a large swath of people will never be satisfied unless they hear exactly what they want to hear. There are still a sizable number of people who think the Moon landings were faked, despite all evidence to the contrary.
- ethbr1 2y agoWe can also just say flat earthers exist. That equally proves the point.
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- honestSysAdmin 2y ago[dead]
- etc-hosts 2y agodoesn't matter. many of the entities investigating at the time have since destroyed their records.
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- ldjkfkdsjnv 2y ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2y agoAs much as some would like to pretend it does, his issues in his personal life still don’t make segregation and lack of voting rights an okay thing.
- ldjkfkdsjnv 2y agoYes, but he was really bad in some respects, that clashes with his public image/caricature in a way that kind of matters
- spencerflem 2y agocool
- floatrock 2y agoI mean, we're regressing everything else back to the good ol' 1960's, so yeah, sure, why not, lets whip out the ol "sexual deviant" playbook to discredit some basic human rights and fairness. As long as people are distracted by some black guy's bisexuality or whatever they won't ask questions about all the underage human trafficking on epstein's lolita express with the people who are actually alive and running the government today. Oh, and icing on the cake: it's a good pretext to remove MLK Day and that Black History Month. Guy was a sexual deviant, so clearly the civil rights movement was a giant discredited DEI sham. eg https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/defense-agency-bans-black-history-month-rcna190189 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/defense-agency...
- phelddagrif 2y agoThe most liberal comment in this site's history
- cwmoore 2y ago
- asadm 2y ago[flagged]
- djha-skin 2y agoInteresting considering the attempted assassination of Trump. Perhaps he feels that some sunlight could help prevent future assassinations, or maybe he simply feels kinship to these his fallen political peers.
- ronbenton 2y agoI think he's been talking about this stuff for a while. He's a populist and people are generally interested in this stuff.
- swozey 2y agoI've assumed he thought it would damage the FBI/CIA/someone he's dismantling. I'm a millennial so I didn't grow up with it but I can't explain how little I care. JFK was born in 1917. Seeing people line up at the curve in the road where he was shot in Dallas was wild. It's literally just a curve in the road going downtown. Nothing remarkable. Too bad he didn't return a few years ago, I guess.
- kelnos 2y agoNah, one of two things: 1) it's a distraction from the actually important, messed up stuff he's doing, or 2) there's something in the files that makes some government agency that Trump hates (like the FBI) look bad.
- guidedlight 2y agoA very convincing confession was published for the first time last month, of someone who alleges to have shot JFK. https://youtu.be/-8DGv6KSBZI https://youtu.be/-8DGv6KSBZI
- zoklet-enjoyer 2y agoHow long was Keefe D on YouTube talking about Tupac's murder before the police took him seriously enough to do something?
- JKCalhoun 2y agoCommentors suggest it was put out 12 years ago.
- ttyprintk 2y agoTaped March 22, 1994, IIRC.
- blitzar 2y ago99% of influencers would confess if it got them clicks.
- bag_boy 2y agoTangentially related: My coworking space is a century old hardware distribution building in Birmingham, AL. It's about a 1-2 miles away from the predominantly African American neighborhood that was constantly bombed in the 50s. I was told the FBI searched the building a few decades ago in the hopes of finding the rifle used in MLK's assassination. Birmingham was a wild town for many years!
- adamgamble 2y agoIs this innovation depot?
- bag_boy 2y agoNo - but that does fit the criteria now that I think about it, lol. It's Hardware Park.
- adamredwoods 2y agoMost of the documents were declassified already, I think 99% of 170,000 files or some large number. This was through the The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992. I don't know what's to gain in this release other than closure?
- 9cb14c1ec0 2y agoThe theory is that there must be a big reason why those last 1% haven't been disclosed. I dunno, but curiosity did kill the cat. It's a powerful force.
- LastTrain 2y ago[flagged]
- SecretDreams 2y ago[flagged]
- nomel 2y agoSomeone previously decided that the remaining 1%, 1700 files, shouldn't be viewed by the public. Why? 1700 files is plenty to hold some interesting truths.
- ttyprintk 2y agoSome people have seen those and are allowed to talk about them: https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/646/transcript https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/646/transcript https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/647/notes https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/spycast/647/notes
- petee 2y agoAllowed to talk about classified material? Doubtful
- softgrow 2y agoAnd once it is released you'll know and the mystery will be gone. I (Australian) was very enthused when the "Somerton man" was resolved. But it took away mystery and wonder from me which actually gave me joy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_Man
- ks2048 2y agoMost likely outcome is docs are released and there is still mystery.
- nozzlegear 2y agoPut me on record as being in the "nothing ever happens" camp: Oswald done it, the grassy knoll is just a particularly grassy knoll, and the remaining 1% or whatever unreleased files contain a fat nothingburger.
- nickpinkston 2y agoYou still have to explain the magic bullet impossibilities, fully intact bullet on the stretcher, Oswald as known CIA asset (CIA reports show this), etc. None of this is really explainable by the official story.
- nozzlegear 2y agoSure, maybe the CIA did it, maybe the Cubans or Soviets did it. I'm not really invested in the "real truth" of the situation. I'm just saying that I don't think the remaining documents are going to say anything that we don't already know.
- baseballdork 2y ago> You still have to explain the magic bullet impossibilities This has been explained ad nauseam. The bullet went in a straight line. > Oswald as known CIA asset (CIA reports show this) I’m sure the CIA has used a lot of unstable people all over. It’s not inconceivable that one of them went on to commit an assassination without being directed to by the CIA. Sometimes things are just boring.
- etchalon 2y agoIt's neat to know that, whether the files prove something or don't, theorists will refuse to accept them unless they prove JFK wasn't shot by Oswald.
- dboreham 2y agoStill redacted?
- zombiwoof 2y agoWhat about the Epstein Files
- 29athrowaway 2y agoThey should also declassify who is Satoshi Nakamoto.
- throwaway48476 2y agoHe's the guy with the PhD in distributed computing.
- afpx 2y agoNational Lab? Maybe Argonne?
- usednet 2y agoIt's just a symbolic order, won't actually lead to anything important being released because the agencies have the authority to reject whatever they want. Many of the files have already been destroyed anyways. See: Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals. (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
- markus_zhang 2y agoI also suspect some arrangements never left paper trails.
- TowerTall 2y agoIf there is any truth to the events pictured in the JFK movie with Kevin Costner that is certainly very true.
- regularization 2y agoIn 1973 DCI Richard Helms ordered all files on Project MKUltra destroyed. We only have documents on it, because some files were stored in an office outside the main records office, which were found in a 1977 FOIA request.
- ggm 2y agoThe dinner menu and guest list for royal functions over 100 years ago was (and may still be) redacted by the state in the UK. Sometimes, secrets are not really about very much. I am personally more interested in the MLK data than the JFK data because flawed though they were, the many eyes on that prize didn't find even the scent of a smoking gun worth much. If it had been the other side of the Iron curtain, by now they'd have capitalised on proving it. The ability to tie that era's democrat party to the mob was too delicious to keep secret if provable. (yes, even being killed by the mob taints you with the mob) so either political, foreign, or crime related I can't see how successive governments could have resisted showing-and-telling all. MLK, I felt was swept under the carpet the way decent "folk like us" wanted. The moment of political advantage in the facts faded much faster, the underlying unease of what agencies of the state might be complicit remains. I think we all deserve a bit of clarity here. We know he had feet of clay, thats not the point. The point is how poorly the state defended a man trying to build a better america. Neither are anything like as important as current events. The release is not just a mechanistic "I am a man of my word" moment, its a distraction from the everyday events. Any hour news online dedicates to these stories, is time not spent worrying about what dismantling the US state means in practice in 2025.
- kelnos 2y ago> The release is not just a mechanistic "I am a man of my word" moment, its a distraction from the everyday events. Excellent point that I hadn't considered. We're already flooded with executive orders and news of Musk's capricious wrecking ball. Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. But it's something that people will certainly talk about, distracting us from the real dangers going on in this administration. Ultimately I don't think we'll learn much from this anyway. I expect any juicy documents (if any existed) were destroyed long ago, and the departments in custody of any related files are still free to redact whatever they want, or simply decide not to release the parts they don't want to release. Another possibility is that the remaining files contain something incredibly damaging to a group or agency he hates. Like say the MLK files implicate the FBI somehow. Trump hates the FBI now (which was not the case during his first term), and files pointing the finger at the FBI would be more ammunition for purging and remaking the FBI.
- Aloisius 2y agoI can safely say that even if all material is released that people will still believe it was a government conspiracy that is being covered up. No amount of evidence will ever be enough. See: the moon landings.
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- mont_tag 2y agoNext up, Area 51?
- manosyja 2y agoJust my 2ct of trivia: The crown has still not reused the records regarding Jack the Ripper. Some assume this might be because someone from the royal family was involved.
- anigbrowl 2y agoshiny object is shiny
- cyberlurker 2y agoRemember when they said they’d get to the bottom of the “drones”? Don’t be so easily distracted from what they are doing to the country.
- lm28469 2y agoPanem et circenses while they dismantle the few safeguards left
- rbanffy 2y agoFun to note no word about Epstein's...
- andyjohnson0 2y agoThis is a distraction and nothing more.
- kpmcc 2y agoFlooding the zone. Don't lose focus.
- trunnell 2y agoI thought the JFK assassination was tragic but not really relevant/interesting until I listened to this podcast by journalist Soledad O’Brien: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-killed-jfk/id1714611578 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-killed-jfk/id17146... There’s actually a mountain of evidence pointing to a horrifying conclusion. It’s not easy to summarize, and anyhow I don’t want to give spoilers here.
- bathtub365 2y agoWhat’s the conclusion?
- trunnell 2y agoDon’t want to spoil it for you
- jtrn 2y agoIt's not that deep, dude. He is just a well-known proponent of the second shooter claim, and that the assassination was a government conspiracy.
- bathtub365 2y agoI asked you to.
- digitallis42 2y agoThat the comment bots are getting better at phrasing things as clickbait?
- trunnell 2y agoI’m not a bot, look at my history.
- ddq 2y agoWhat is the horrifying conclusion the mountain of evidence points to? To me the fact that you said that but didn't specify the actual conclusion also gave me pause. If you can't post the specific conclusion you reached, are you that confident in it?
- Pat_Murph 2y agoNext is the Epstein files?
- peterbozso 2y agoSomewhat related: if somebody is interested in King's story in more depth, I can really recommend Jonathan Eig's book from 2023, titled "King: A Life". Amongst many other resources, he has used the (back then) recently released FBI files about King. He did a really stellar job of portraying MLK not just as a legend, but also as a human being.