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It is because we haven’t achieved consensus on these issues or there is a faction that believes they can get a better deal by holding out and continuing to figh

It is because we haven’t achieved consensus on these issues or there is a faction that believes they can get a better deal by holding out and continuing to fight.

conception 2y ago
Or it’s because factions believe that not solving issues benefits them more than solving them or reaching consensus.
- deleted 2y ago
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__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
Consensus is bad for business, so we stick to platforms designed keep it at bay.
righthand 2y ago
It’s more futile than this, my parents are big Trumpers. My father watches a ton of Fox News and rants about how immigrants are flooding the cities. When shown data and statistics and pointing out Trumps blatant lying and the hysteria about it, my father will move the goal post, change the subject and say things like “I don’t like Trump but Biden is too old.” Okay I said, if Biden is too old who is chosen when he steps down? Kamala, who while qualified was chosen to gain vote. Is that the alternative you want? Silence. Trump is also too old and definitely showing his age but it doesn’t matter anymore because the goal post moves again. It’s pure radicalization and anything that can be labeled as a negative is rationalized to avoid regret. My mother remains 100% silent about politics. Which is equally as hard to have a conversation. So when you have people so radicalized they only put ear plugs in their ear, because they’ve been trained to want a war at home. They are too deep, what do we do? Wait until they die? What about the generations they’re radicalizing after them? These are tough questions in a world where people can’t be proud we even have any kind of infrastructure. People feel they deserve better when we already have the best circumstances to be alive. There is no consensus because there is very little left to strive for in the eyes of the average citizen. This is why we can’t have single payer healthcare, because our populations are too busy fighting for their radicalized ideas.
- WillPostForFood 2y ago
  rants about how immigrants are flooding the cities. When shown data and statistics and pointing out Trumps blatant lying What? You are more misinformed than your father if you don't know that illegal aliens are flooding into the country. Trying to choose a neutral source for you. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico. Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.
  - daveguy 2y ago
    And what makes you think the Biden administration wasn't just doing a better job? Or Trump administration wasn't underreporting to make him look better. If you don't test, it isn't there!
    - decremental 2y ago
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    - tsumnia 2y ago
      While I can recognize the sentiment, I do err on the side of caution moving into the post-COVID world. Once you start assuming "the other side could be lying" then its going to be pretty difficult for you to ever accept whatever truth is. You begin to doubt anything and everything in favor of whatever makes you feel right.
      - daveguy 2y ago
        Except Trump lies if it makes him look better as easy as he breathes. It's not that he "could be lying" -- he lies all the damn time. No concern for the truth, only for his image. Then he sends his propagandists out to push the narrative and make excuses for what he says. "They're eating the cats and dogs." -Trump, and "Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what's happening." -Trump; It's ridiculously Orwellian.
LastTrain 2y ago
Name the faction to which you refer and what they are holding out for. Come on, be brave now.

It is because we haven’t achieved consensus on these issues or there is a faction that believes they can get a better deal by holding out and continuing to fight.

conception 2y ago

Or it’s because factions believe that not solving issues benefits them more than solving them or reaching consensus.

deleted 2y ago
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__MatrixMan__ 2y ago

Consensus is bad for business, so we stick to platforms designed keep it at bay.

righthand 2y ago

It’s more futile than this, my parents are big Trumpers. My father watches a ton of Fox News and rants about how immigrants are flooding the cities. When shown data and statistics and pointing out Trumps blatant lying and the hysteria about it, my father will move the goal post, change the subject and say things like “I don’t like Trump but Biden is too old.” Okay I said, if Biden is too old who is chosen when he steps down? Kamala, who while qualified was chosen to gain vote. Is that the alternative you want? Silence. Trump is also too old and definitely showing his age but it doesn’t matter anymore because the goal post moves again. It’s pure radicalization and anything that can be labeled as a negative is rationalized to avoid regret. My mother remains 100% silent about politics. Which is equally as hard to have a conversation. So when you have people so radicalized they only put ear plugs in their ear, because they’ve been trained to want a war at home. They are too deep, what do we do? Wait until they die? What about the generations they’re radicalizing after them? These are tough questions in a world where people can’t be proud we even have any kind of infrastructure. People feel they deserve better when we already have the best circumstances to be alive. There is no consensus because there is very little left to strive for in the eyes of the average citizen. This is why we can’t have single payer healthcare, because our populations are too busy fighting for their radicalized ideas.

WillPostForFood 2y ago
rants about how immigrants are flooding the cities. When shown data and statistics and pointing out Trumps blatant lying What? You are more misinformed than your father if you don't know that illegal aliens are flooding into the country. Trying to choose a neutral source for you. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico. Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.
- daveguy 2y ago
  And what makes you think the Biden administration wasn't just doing a better job? Or Trump administration wasn't underreporting to make him look better. If you don't test, it isn't there!
  - decremental 2y ago
    [dead]
  - tsumnia 2y ago
    While I can recognize the sentiment, I do err on the side of caution moving into the post-COVID world. Once you start assuming "the other side could be lying" then its going to be pretty difficult for you to ever accept whatever truth is. You begin to doubt anything and everything in favor of whatever makes you feel right.
    - daveguy 2y ago
      Except Trump lies if it makes him look better as easy as he breathes. It's not that he "could be lying" -- he lies all the damn time. No concern for the truth, only for his image. Then he sends his propagandists out to push the narrative and make excuses for what he says. "They're eating the cats and dogs." -Trump, and "Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what's happening." -Trump; It's ridiculously Orwellian.

LastTrain 2y ago

Name the faction to which you refer and what they are holding out for. Come on, be brave now.