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Arsenal FC AI Research Engineer job posting
- selectodude 2y agoThe slider only goes to £150,000 per annum. Good luck with your search!
- karaterobot 2y agoI'm not going to underestimate the dedication of football fans. And I do feel someone could get by on £150k if they had to. Obviously they'd need to live an ascetic lifestyle, eating only porridge and drinking only lukewarm water. With luck they'd make it through winter.
- bkovacev 2y agoThis comment made my day.
- sz4kerto 2y ago> someone could get by on £150k if they had to I know you're kinda joking, but it's just so HN :)
- karaterobot 2y agoIt's more than I make, and I own a house! The idea that someone could be a big football fan, but would refuse to take a job making less than the equivalent of that magic $250k a year seems like such a misalignment* of values. I agree that you see it a lot on HN, and elsewhere. * (pun not intended, but sort of proud of it now)
- cjbgkagh 2y agoOf all the ML/AI researchers I know (20+), none of them are football fans. I suppose it could happen but I have not seen it.
- transitionnel 2y agoI wore their away kit for Halloween this year :D But I suspect they're just like all the others -- looking for credentialling where it doesn't yet exist. [Guess we'll find out... not holding my breath for what would be a dream for us both]
- Ar-Curunir 2y agoYou must not know any Indian researchers then. Almost every one I know supports a football club
- cjbgkagh 2y agoHuh, I do not. I guess most of the people I know in this space I knew prior to 2015 and the field was not as widely popular back then.
- wink 2y agoThey'll be given a couple of server racks with GPUs for their tiny London apartment, that should do.
- chdove 2y agoHiring manager here! While living off of porridge shouldn’t be necessary, I will say the porridge at the training ground is absolutely top tier.
- desideratum 2y agoThis is an exceptional salary for the UK.
- lifeisstillgood 2y agoYes I think that’s just in the top 1% of salaries But I’m pretty sure Brad got Jonah Hill for much less.
- pbalau 2y agoPlus, jobs like this are for people that have a connection with the organization. I can't see myself doing anything, however good the pay might be, for Arsenal. Would be very glad to do that for Chelsea.
- shrikant 2y agoHaving done a bit of consulting for Chelsea FC, I wouldn't recommend working there in an office job. Poor pay (I doubt anyone below "Head of"/CxO even touches 6 figures) and very average working conditions.
- ksynwa 2y agoI thought at first that you might be bantering but after reading your last sentence I am not sure anymore. I don't think being associated with Arsenal at this posting is ever going to be a blemish on anyone's CV. They are higher than Chelsea in PL standings at this moment.
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- Irishsteve 2y agoBetter off getting a pro contract with them I guess
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- 11235813213455 2y agoLike for their players, they propose reasonable salaries, never too high, makes sense
- jimbokun 2y agoSeason tickets would likely motivate a lot of supporters with the right background to apply despite the low salary. But they only offer “preferred access” to tickets and I’m not even sure what that means. If there would be opportunities to present to Mikel Arteta and other high level football personnel, that would also be very motivating beyond raw salary.
- thom 2y agoThat's extremely good for a job in soccer analytics. It's a really fun domain, you'd be working with very smart and bought-in people at Arsenal, and they have their own collection operation so control their own destiny in a way a lot of other places don't.
- swyx 2y agowhat is a "collection operation"?
- chdove 2y agoHiring manager here! Aside from 3rd party data, we contract with a nonprofit in Laos where operators collect event data for us (~2000 data points per match) across roughly a dozen leagues worldwide. We also extract player tracking data from video.
- staticautomatic 2y agoWhy … how … Laos?
- chdove 2y agoTL;DR - Our department was originally an independent football analytics startup https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/17/arsenal-place-trust-arsene-wenger-army-statdna-data-analysts https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/17/arsenal-pla...
- puppymaster 2y agoand probably bump fist with Jesus on your way to the parking lot!
- chdove 2y agoI had to re-read this a couple times, ...but yes!
- andy_ppp 2y agoThe salary ranges in London are different than the US.
- mattlondon 2y ago150k GBP total comp is not especially competitive with a BigCo. If that is just salary though, it might be competitive in London depending on the rest of the comp package (i.e. about the same again for equity, 20-25% bonus - so total about 300-325k GBP - would be Ok for mid/senior level IME)
- te_chris 2y agoWhat are you on about?
- glawre 2y agoWhat are you defining as a BigCo? In the UK I can only really think of FAANG, a small number of hedge funds / HFT firms, and more recently some AI firms that are paying that level of salary. I'm also guessing that salaries in football might be suppressed similar to video games jobs. There'll be a lot of people willing to work under market rate because they enjoy the football environment.
- mattlondon 2y agoYup those guys and fintech. They're the big players in UK (well London) tech employment if total comp is what matters.
- thomastraum 2y agoman, I am so poor
- PaulHoule 2y agoLondon's an expensive place to live.
- druskacik 2y agoIt's still crazy to me that 150K can be considered an unsatisfactory salary. I thought that must be enough anywhere in the world.
- rabiescow 2y agoLower middle class in Massachusetts...
- kadushka 2y ago6k mortgage for a modest house in any decent area in US, 3k per kid private school, 3k other monthly expenses, 2k food: that’s already 17k/mo with just 2 kids. Plus vacations, plus setting aside at least a few thousand a month for retirement. I can do jobs like this one but I can’t consider any job offers for less than 500k (total comp). Are houses and private schools cheaper in London?
- djij 2y agoI'm butting up against Poe's Law on this one. Is it a joke, or peak HN?
- philwelch 2y agoIt’s probably a little self-aware but what he’s describing is a lifestyle attainable by people with similar jobs and qualifications as what Arsenal is asking for, and it’s reasonable to expect it if that’s what you can get from other employers. Also, housing in much of the US is criminally expensive, and some people have unreasonably snobby attitudes about what constitutes a “decent area” in the US. Or maybe he was just making an understated and backhanded joke about the London housing market, which I’ve heard to be similarly absurd.
- alt227 2y ago> the London housing market, which I’ve heard to be similarly absurd. No matter how absurd it is, Ive never heard of a 6k per month mortgage, that is absolutely insane.
- OxfordOutlander 2y agoThis would be the dream job for a gunners fan. After a decade of making seven figures at Meta/Google etc., they won't even look at the salary.
- jschoe 2y agoYou do realize that American salaries are not the norm internationally? The pay in Europe is far far far lower.
- buryat 2y agoYes, if you value your knowledge you should keep pushing for higher the market has enough elasticity as earnings show
- skc 2y agoFun fact, that's probably the median weekly wage for the Arsenal players themselves.
- swyx 2y agoone would think if they really believed in AI they'd pay more to improve their players rather than just pay it to players
- philwelch 2y agoIsn’t that an incredibly good salary in the UK?
- dzonga 2y agouk salaries. the average UK salary is £32k. in London your average midlevel engineer salary band is 60-75k. Senior band is 75-110 - this includes principles and directors as well. For total comp add 10% of bonus. given anemic uk tech sector most stock is yeah worthless so let's not count it - unless you work for Wise, Revolut etc. the people making big bucks i.e £200k+ in tech - are in finance / hft / trading firms. then in government consulting.
- samrus 2y agoSports analytics is a lot like video game development. Where, for better or for worse, salaries are much lower because pure passion for the domain is a huge motivator for people
- BrutalCoding 2y agoThere’s a typo on your page: “you’ll partner with with coaches” Other than that, pretty cool to see. I’ll have to pass :)
- alt227 2y agoRepeated word typos are incredibly difficult to spot. I genuinely had to reread your post several times before I got the typo.
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- stfleming 2y agoThe thing about arsenal is, they always try and walk it in!
- prashp 2y agoThis always makes me laugh https://grathium-industries.github.io/posts/deployments/bluff-ball/?ref=reddit https://grathium-industries.github.io/posts/deployments/bluf...
- askl 2y agoWhat was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?
- dalmo3 2y agoThe norm these days at Arsenal is to be sent off early!
- buro9 2y agonot any more, now the thing about Arsenal is that it's all set pieces and over-reliance on corners. Saka isn't all that either, he'd be nothing within Odegaard. (this is convincing, and I know about as much as the IT Crowd did)
- ignoramous 2y agoUnder Mikel, they're more Tony "rainy night at Stoke" Pulis than Arsene "walk it in" Wenger.
- rdm_blackhole 2y agoYou beat me to it. Nicely done!
- iamflimflam1 2y agohttps://youtu.be/Sasksdm1Ftc https://youtu.be/Sasksdm1Ftc fantastic episode.
- PaulHoule 2y agoI have a few reasons I want to go to the UK, and seeing an Arsenal game at their home stadium is one of them. It's not so much that it's my favorite team as that I (1) want to see a Premier League game, (2) their stadium looks beautiful and (3) I enjoy watching games from there because they are better equipped than average for telecasts.
- renewiltord 2y agoIt's a great stadium and loads of fun to visit as a gooner. Not all games are open to all though. Some require you to be a Red Member for a while before you can buy tickets. So keep that in mind.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago>as a gooner As A WHAT now?
- renewiltord 2y agoI've said what I've said.
- leemcalilly 2y agoThose are some serious job requirements for $150k
- layer8 2y agoMore like $190k.
- philipwhiuk 2y ago£150K is more than 4x the average salary in the UK.
- layer8 2y agoApparently knowledge about football/soccer is not a prerequisite.
- chdove 2y agoIt's not, although some football knowledge and interest in the game certainly helps.
- ctippett 2y agoI live 500m from Arsenal stadium. Unfortunately not only do I know nothing about football, I'm just a lowly data person and would never purport to be an AI specialist.
- chdove 2y agoWhew didn’t expect this to get posted here but I’m not complaining! I’m Chris, Head of Analytics at Arsenal and hiring manager for this role (https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-dove-43b7a85 https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-dove-43b7a85) I’m happy to answer any questions about the role, our department, football analytics, working at Arsenal, etc.
- ensemblehq 2y agoHey Chris. This is such an incredible opportunity and great to hear folks like you are spearheading the charge. I’ve a friend who’s leading AI at Real Madrid and it’s fascinating to hear what they’re trying to do (without him revealing the secret sauce to me!) Does your team and department taking of analytics primarily on the footballing side? Like player performance? How does your teams work typically get incorporated and what does the day to day look like? Do you manage your own tech stack as well?
- chdove 2y agoLots of great questions! > Does your team and department taking of analytics primarily on the footballing side? Like player performance? Yes, we work primarily on the footballing side and across the spectrum in that space: Player/team performance for the men's first team, women's first team, and boys academy age groups U16 and up, player recruitment / squad planning, etc. > How does your teams work typically get incorporated We produce a mix of interactive tools, regular static reports (e.g. opposition analysis, post-match analysis, etc.), and live dashboards that come from specific stakeholder requests such as coaching staff or execs, or that we build proactively to address a specific football-related question. > what does the day to day look like? It really varies from day to day and role to role within the team. A data engineer might be adding another data provider to an entity resolution ETL pipeline, a research scientist might be incorporating feedback from first team coaching staff into a work-in-progress model, a data analyst might be putting together an in-depth opposition analysis report for an upcoming match, and an operations analyst might be helping train operators on a new data labeling task. > Do you manage your own tech stack as well? We do manage most of our tech stack, although we get a lot of support on front-end from a great sister team in the IT dept.
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- alberto_balsam 2y agoArsenal are doing very innovative things in AI and I believe have Karun Singh on their team who is extremely influential in the football analytics revolution that has occurred over the last decade. Exciting role (that due to other interests I cannot go for!)
- zoenolan 2y agoSome football analytics links Soccermatics course[0], the book of the same name[1], R code [2] and some more general resources [3]. Learn Python and Data Science With Football[4] and Python library for plotting football charts[5]. Machine learning Fantasy Premier League team [6] and Python for Fantasy Football [7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] [0] https://soccermatics.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://soccermatics.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26073086-soccermatics https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26073086-soccermatics [2] https://github.com/JoGall/soccermatics https://github.com/JoGall/soccermatics [3] https://github.com/eddwebster/football_analytics https://github.com/eddwebster/football_analytics [4] https://fcpython.com/ https://fcpython.com/ [5] https://mplsoccer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://mplsoccer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ [6] https://github.com/alan-turing-institute/AIrsenal https://github.com/alan-turing-institute/AIrsenal [7] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-introduction/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-in... [8] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-matchup-adjustment/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-ma... [9] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-getting-and-cleaning-data/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-ge... [10] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-apis-and-json-data/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-ap... [11] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-introduction-to-machine-learning/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-in... [12] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-addressing-class-imbalance-in-machine-learning/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-ad... [13] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-understanding-random-forests/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-un... [14] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-feature-engineering-for-machine-learning/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-fe... [15] http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-random-forest-and-xgboost-hyperparameter-tuning/ http://www.fantasyfutopia.com/python-for-fantasy-football-ra...
- rerdavies 2y agoThe burning question: will Brad Pitt star in the move that gets made about this.
- thegabriele 2y agoA 30k job in Italy.
- mxxx 2y agoI’m an Arsenal fan living in Australia, so I often watch the games the next day because they’re on very late at night our time. Until I’ve watched the game I keep off social media to avoid spoilers, and HN is one of the few things I’m very confident in reading knowing that nothing related to Arsenal FC would ever ever get posted here. Go figure.