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Why is this flagged? Surely one of the most influential people in the tech space (and the richest man in the world) doing a nazi salute is pertinent to Hacker N
by johneth 2y ago
Why is this flagged? Surely one of the most influential people in the tech space (and the richest man in the world) doing a nazi salute is pertinent to Hacker News?
- verdverm 2y agoMostly like because of the comments likely to (and already) ensue Also people just don't want to hear about it on HN when it is all over the media already
- computerthings 2y agoEverybody has excuses. And you don't actually "hear" people discussing in threads you don't click on. I don't want to hear about Apple, ever, nothing they do or make interests me, or ever will. Yet I wouldn't dream of curtailing others discussing that stuff.
- verdverm 2y agoHN is community moderated and generally aims to keep an amount of decorum. Look at all the comments here. If a story leads to the comments here, it almost always gets flagged to discourage further unproductive commentary
- computerthings 2y ago[flagged]
- verdverm 2y agoIf this is your first HN account, then you've only been around for 5 months. Consider this a data point in understanding HN better. If you can find a contentious story and plenty of debate elsewhere, it almost always gets flagged for multiple reasons by a variety of people
- computerthings 2y agoWhat data point? That a question goes unanswered because my account is 5 months old? > If you can find a contentious story and plenty of debate elsewhere, it almost always gets flagged for multiple reasons by a variety of people You just said "just look at the comments", now you backtrack to nebulous "multiple reasons by a variety of people". From the data points I have so far, the people who are for flagging don't want to talk about their reasons. Maybe they all think they have good reasons, and would say "just look at $thing", and then have no good reason when I ask "what about $thing"? So that is literally the data point I have... when I have three I'll declare my discovery of how this all works and ignore all further data, unless it fits my theory of course.
- verdverm 2y ago[flagged]
- computerthings 2y agoWhen I said > As for the comments, I see people trying to claim this isn't an issue and being refuted, how is that bad? How is that "unproductive"? Compared to what? You just ignored it outright. Just because it's not flattering that I call out excuses that have no substance, doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're essentially saying "I could make the argument, but now I don't want to", and I say you're bluffing.
- zfg 2y ago[flagged]
- verdverm 2y ago[flagged]
- computerthings 2y agoYou don't have to talk about anything, just because others talk about it. Someone is deciding that nobody should talk about it. When Meta changed their terms, it was a BIG topic. When TechCorp releases anything, it will be covered in alllll the tech publications, and so many of them have comment sections, social media presences, the works. But it turns out people want to discuss the same issues also in this circle. And with this topic, social media manipulation, wanting to decide what people see and what they don't, is intrinsically woven in (via Musk and X directly, and Musk's role in an administration that seems to play janky games with TikTok we probably should pay attention to, too). How can we, with good conscience, have articles talking about how we should make the world more accessible and diverse on one hand, and then enforcing silence when a tech bro mogul throws a Hitler salute... just because others, the non-techies, are already talking about it, too?
- ks1723 2y ago100% this!
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago[flagged]
- zfg 2y ago[flagged]
- crm9125 2y agoRegardless, this should be EVERYWHERE. We used to hang these guys.
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- impulser_ 2y ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2y agoWink wink, nudge nudge.
- dekhn 2y agoI don't have insight into what Elon thinks, but there's just no reason to make that sort of sign regardless of the context or history ("giving my heart" or roman or other salutes or whatever). Please don't attempt to downplay what was probably an intentional gesture, and if it wasn't intentional, simply shows how clueless he is. I rarely comment on politics on HN but when folks start acting like Hitler, it's time to speak up and say no.
- SavageBeast 2y ago[flagged]
- johneth 2y ago> What part of "Hacker" or "News" makes this stupid hot take relevant exactly? Hacker News is run by a VC company that funds tech companies. Elon Musk owns many major companies in the same tech space. That's what makes it relevant to Hacker News. > this stupid hot take If you mean the two nazi salutes that he clearly did, I'd say it's obviously relevant.
- SavageBeast 2y ago[flagged]
- cmurf 2y ago[flagged]
- sidibe 2y ago[flagged]
- jart 2y ago[flagged]
- Puts 2y agoPolitics did not belong here at a time when CEOs for tech companies cared about creating new tech. But if tech company CEOs buy of politicians and romanticises nazism and facism publicly then suddenly tech becomes political and then it belongs here.
- mglikesbikes 2y agolinking Curtis Yarvin[1] on a thread discussing a nazi salute is really something. 1. https://youtu.be/mYrPNvVhKLU https://youtu.be/mYrPNvVhKLU
- licebmi__at__ 2y agoCertainly is an explanation on how we got here. Yarvin has ties to Thiel and his ilk.
- computerthings 2y agoTaking this and the context of all of it and reducing it to "politics" is not exactly being intellectually curious. What you wrote could be a standard reply triggered by a button click. Bold faced lies that followers take as a sign of power, and non-followers wonder about because they're so stupid and blatant (cheating in PoE2, Hitler salute) are exactly reminiscent of the Nazis, that serves a function, that can be dissected and analyzed. Not by everybody, just like some people think philosophy sucks because they suck at it, but people should keep their sour grapes out of it, just like I do when people discuss the latest compiler they designed. As the Chinese proverb allegedly goes, those who say something is not possible should not interrupt those doing it.
- rsynnott 2y ago[flagged]
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- swat535 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoUsers flagged it. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42775519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42775519 for more
- zfg 2y agoCan you unflag it? What Musk has done is not a small thing. If Hacker News is about the tech industry then we need to see the tech industry clearly, warts and all. We cannot run away from it. We cannot memory hole it.
- dang 2y agoPast experience with this kind of thing by you-know-who does not lend itself to the idea of a substantive discussion. HN isn't "about the tech industry" per se - its mandate is to discuss topics of intellectual curiosity. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Celebrity troll moves (or whatever this is) don't fit that bill, so in this case I'm inclined to agree with the users who flagged the story.
- zfg 2y agoThe end result of that is that Musk will be lionized by Hacker News but never criticized. Your policy settings are wrong.
- dang 2y ago> lionized by Hacker News but never criticized. You need only look at any thread involving His Muskness from the past several years to satisfy yourself that is not the case.
- calf 2y agoThere are plenty of authors and writers who could discuss political controversies as intellectually profound learning examples, etc. That is a norm in academia, for example. It reflects more on online forums and basic limitations of forum structure and demographics, rather than anything intrinsic about a given topic.
- raxxor 2y agoI doubt this is meant as a nazi salute at all. This is click and outrage bait. I did not flag this article, but I believe many question the honesty here.
- Popeyes 2y agoSame thing happened with my post about Sam Altman's alleged sister abuse, the tech bros just look out for each other.
- meijer 2y agoWell, this was reposted by Garry Tan: https://x.com/TiffanyFong_/status/1881476982103523531 https://x.com/TiffanyFong_/status/1881476982103523531 It seems, YC and HN made their decision.
- yodsanklai 2y agoBecause people are tired of hearing about Trump and Musk literally all day long and every day. It's almost impossible not to hear about them. And most likely, it will last at least 4 years. Seriously, at that stage, I think everybody had already a well forged opinion on this whole situation and no new information can change it. I'll flag any post that contains Trump or Musk in the title.