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I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that

I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

TZubiri 2y ago
As a professional software developer, you rely on software written by those hobbyist hackers. Whenever you do a clone or an npm install or apt get or pip install, etc... You choose github because your dependencies chose git
- eru 2y ago
  Sure, but as you say those hobbyist developers aren't responsible for keeping a specific server up. They are 'just' writing some software. (And even among professionals, there's a big difference between Site Reliability Engineering and Software Engineering.)
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fragmede 2y ago
It was down for ~45 mins according to the linked page page, which would put it at 99.897% uptime for the month, assuming no other downtime.
- eru 2y ago
  They had some more downtime a few days ago, too. And that's just the one I happened to notice.
- ikiris 2y ago
  And if your central hub for your distributed vcs needs more than 2-3 9s of uptime for your service to be reliable, honestly you’ve done something really wrong in the design phase like using version control as a database.
gerdesj 2y ago
A bloke called Linus Thorvalds created git for Linux development when the commercial service used for that ceased to be useful, for one non technical reason or another. github basically shoves a webby frontend and workflows on top of someone else's work. That's all fine and good but github is not git. As a professional IT consultant, I want tools, I use lots of other's and I also create my own and I also generally insist on hosting my own. I'm also a fair carpenter and several other trades. I have tools for all my trades and I look after all of them. That way I can guarantee quality - or at least reproducible and documented quality. I'm sure you are fine with abrogating responsibility for stuff that you are not able to deal with - that's all good: Your choice. EDIT: Sorry, forgot to say: "Yay cloud"
- jrockway 2y ago
  Linux development is also centralized. Instead of Github they use an email list that has patches sent to it. If that goes down, your change isn't going into Linux today.
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  - LPisGood 2y ago
    I contend that if you submit a patch under any circumstances your change isn’t going into linux today.
  - confooseddd 2y ago
    You do know what's a mailing list right? You seem to be confusing it with GitHub. A mailing list can go down and nothing would happen. The main point is to post patches to the maintainer. The mailing list is for a public record of things. The only centralised thing is repo hosting on kernel.org. And that isn't the only official place, you can get the repo published on googlesource or GitHub, so it isn't exactly central enough.
  - Tmpod 2y ago
    I suppose that's true. In any case, though, getting a backup mailing list going is much much easier than something like GitHub, and you can always mail patches directly if maintainers allow it.
Over2Chars 2y ago
four 9's uptime https://uptime.is/99.99 https://uptime.is/99.99 Daily: 8.6s Weekly: 1m 0.48s Monthly: 4m 21s Quarterly: 13m 2.4s Yearly: 52m 9.8s If you assume that "uptime" means all tools are available https://statusgator.com/services/github https://statusgator.com/services/github this appears to be 45 minutes in just one day Incident with Git Operations 30m Jan 14, 2025 9:01 AM Down Incident with Git Operations 10m Jan 14, 2025 8:51 AM Down Incident with Git Operations 5m Jan 14, 2025 8:46 AM Down Not much margin to hit four 9's left for the rest of the year.
Dylan16807 2y ago
> GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on. Their enterprise level SLA is only 99.9% (measured quarterly) and the remedy is a 10% credit, increasing to a 25% credit if they drop below 99%.

TZubiri 2y ago

As a professional software developer, you rely on software written by those hobbyist hackers. Whenever you do a clone or an npm install or apt get or pip install, etc... You choose github because your dependencies chose git

eru 2y ago
Sure, but as you say those hobbyist developers aren't responsible for keeping a specific server up. They are 'just' writing some software. (And even among professionals, there's a big difference between Site Reliability Engineering and Software Engineering.)
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fragmede 2y ago

It was down for ~45 mins according to the linked page page, which would put it at 99.897% uptime for the month, assuming no other downtime.

eru 2y ago
They had some more downtime a few days ago, too. And that's just the one I happened to notice.
ikiris 2y ago
And if your central hub for your distributed vcs needs more than 2-3 9s of uptime for your service to be reliable, honestly you’ve done something really wrong in the design phase like using version control as a database.

gerdesj 2y ago

A bloke called Linus Thorvalds created git for Linux development when the commercial service used for that ceased to be useful, for one non technical reason or another. github basically shoves a webby frontend and workflows on top of someone else's work. That's all fine and good but github is not git. As a professional IT consultant, I want tools, I use lots of other's and I also create my own and I also generally insist on hosting my own. I'm also a fair carpenter and several other trades. I have tools for all my trades and I look after all of them. That way I can guarantee quality - or at least reproducible and documented quality. I'm sure you are fine with abrogating responsibility for stuff that you are not able to deal with - that's all good: Your choice. EDIT: Sorry, forgot to say: "Yay cloud"

jrockway 2y ago
Linux development is also centralized. Instead of Github they use an email list that has patches sent to it. If that goes down, your change isn't going into Linux today.
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- LPisGood 2y ago
  I contend that if you submit a patch under any circumstances your change isn’t going into linux today.
- confooseddd 2y ago
  You do know what's a mailing list right? You seem to be confusing it with GitHub. A mailing list can go down and nothing would happen. The main point is to post patches to the maintainer. The mailing list is for a public record of things. The only centralised thing is repo hosting on kernel.org. And that isn't the only official place, you can get the repo published on googlesource or GitHub, so it isn't exactly central enough.
- Tmpod 2y ago
  I suppose that's true. In any case, though, getting a backup mailing list going is much much easier than something like GitHub, and you can always mail patches directly if maintainers allow it.

Over2Chars 2y ago

four 9's uptime https://uptime.is/99.99 https://uptime.is/99.99 Daily: 8.6s Weekly: 1m 0.48s Monthly: 4m 21s Quarterly: 13m 2.4s Yearly: 52m 9.8s If you assume that "uptime" means all tools are available https://statusgator.com/services/github https://statusgator.com/services/github this appears to be 45 minutes in just one day Incident with Git Operations 30m Jan 14, 2025 9:01 AM Down Incident with Git Operations 10m Jan 14, 2025 8:51 AM Down Incident with Git Operations 5m Jan 14, 2025 8:46 AM Down Not much margin to hit four 9's left for the rest of the year.

Dylan16807 2y ago

> GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on. Their enterprise level SLA is only 99.9% (measured quarterly) and the remedy is a 10% credit, increasing to a 25% credit if they drop below 99%.