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Kirin demos "electric salt spoon" at CES
- 0xDEADFED5 2y agoI read about this the other day. The main thing I remember was the weird grip required...a fist grip? I'd be curious to hear more about that aspect...
- LWIRVoltage 2y agoIt's going to be because it needs a complete circuit. (and firm contact with the handle where there will be another 'electrode' This sounds exactly like (for example) electric shock gag pens and other things that attempt to emit a charge - A lot of electrical devices need a complete circuit- and so the circuit needs to be complete. For what this device is doing with moving ions, it probably needs the circuit- I don't know that the few devices out there that emit power without that sort of circuit could accomplish the same.
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- throw310822 2y ago> especially relevant in Japan, where the country’s adult population eats more than double the World Health Organization’s recommended intake Japan is also the country with the second highest life expectancy in the world. Is salt really that bad? How long would they live if they followed WHO's recommendations?
- pessimizer 2y ago> Is salt really that bad? No, salt is good because it helps you to eat unpalatable, nutritious food.
- f1shy 2y agoAnd Na is absolutely vital, and depending on your diet, if you cut 100% of table salt you will get deprived of Na and Iodine
- Mistletoe 2y agoNo it isn't unless you are salt sensitive. You would know if you are salt sensitive, you would have high blood pressure. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-t...
- saagarjha 2y agoI'd take some years off my life if it meant I could continue to enjoy salt.
- hsbauauvhabzb 2y agoIirc only the northern parts of Japan have high salt diets, the south side has lesser intake, but I could be wrong.
- bamboozled 2y agoI don't think this is true at all, everyone here eats a lot of salt. Soy sauce is in basically everything, it's full of salt.
- m463 2y ago> Is salt really that bad? I was wondering, does exercise purge "extra" salt? also, since this is japan, would they have a chopsticks model? Maybe this is for soup. Or an export version. Japanese ramen spoons have a different shape.
- atoav 2y agoWhen I first heard about that Kirin invention I heard about chopsticks also, so maybe it is in the works
- saagarjha 2y ago> The researchers behind it first published their thesis in 2011, but have since made spoons, forks, and chopsticks that pass electric currents into food.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago> I was wondering, does exercise purge "extra" salt? IIRC sweating is the only way for the body to get rid of salt, so on paper, yes. But it's probably not as simple as that.
- f1shy 2y agoNot really. Of course you tend to drink and sweat more, which contributes.
- jmcgough 2y ago> does exercise purge "extra" salt? No. Your kidneys do this, assuming they work correctly.
- nkrisc 2y agoIs salt consumption and life span uniformly distributed across Japan?
- bamboozled 2y agoEveryone in Japan eats a lot of salt, there is no region specific salt intake.
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- kopirgan 2y agoIt's not just one thing. Their diet very low calorie.. Low on fat. If we eat oil like Mediterranean fat like Intuit's, carb like Raramurii, protein like Americans will have worst health of all.
- Blackthorn 2y agoSource for the low calorie bit? Seems unlikely, given the amount of rice consumed.
- smolder 2y agoYou seem to be assuming "the amount of rice consumed" is high, but are you taking into consideration that the average portion may be small?
- wenc 2y agoDietary fat isn't actually bad for you in reasonable amounts. It's the overindulgence of carbs, which turns into body fat. Also the Japanese diet is interesting. It's actually not low-calorie pound-per-pound, but the portion sizes are much smaller. The Japanese just eat less than Americans. It has also a surprisingly small amount of greens. There is usually a pickled vegetable dish on the side, but that's it.
- f1shy 2y agoActually a healthy person can regulate Na levels very good. There is a lot of debate if it is as bad as portrayed.
- kalium-xyz 2y agoIm very tempted to think the japanese have higher life expectancy because they are on average much shorter than western europeans with similar quality of life.
- rafaelmn 2y agoYou can check this by comparing Japanese who lived in different countries. I vaguely remember it doesn't hold up, but should be simple to search.
- lylejantzi3rd 2y ago> Is salt really that bad? Here's a brief video that makes the claim that you probably need more salt in your diet. He has 3 more salt videos, if you're intrigued. You probably need more salt (short): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rgtB0Bxi0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rgtB0Bxi0 Salt: Are you getting Enough?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amJ-ev8Ial8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amJ-ev8Ial8 WHY Low Salt Stresses the Body: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bNdhM4vt4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bNdhM4vt4I Low Sodium's link to Fat Gain & Insulin Resistance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ygExIZm7Wo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ygExIZm7Wo
- jmcgough 2y agoThis guy is not a healthcare professional and makes intentionally contrarian videos for views. He is cherry picking information and ignoring decades of science on nutritional sodium. Please listen to your doctor, not some random YouTuber trying to monetize your attention.
- summeroflove20 2y ago> This guy is not a healthcare professional As aren't you (and i). And why should i listen to a random Hacker dude? Or a smoking doctor? Dou you think every GP is a nutritionist? And even then...
- wenc 2y agoI watch this guy a lot. I noticed a few things. He does two things that increase believability: he cites papers and studies, and he runs experiments on himself. This is good. He does one thing that decreases believability: he only cites papers and studies that reinforces his contrarian points, and benignly ignores the rest. This is called being a YouTube influencer. In ML terms, his content has high precision and low recall -- he optimizes for true positives but not false negatives. It's a form of confirmation bias. You can still use his data (which I assume to be correctly sourced), but you might want to be skeptical of his conclusions by seeking your own disconfirming evidence.
- lylejantzi3rd 2y ago
- gcanyon 2y agohttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ tl;dr: Higher (yes, higher) sodium intake correlated with longer life expectancy and lower mortality but the study was observational and not a basis for dietary recommendations.
- stefan_ 2y agoMeanwhile the garbage science that got us "salt = blood pressure" has made it into dietary recommendations just fine, ruining food all over the world.
- th0ma5 2y agoA gentle reminder those longevity claims may be suspect https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41738434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41738434
- baerrie 2y agoSalt is not bad for you. The small hypertension decreases people experience on low sodium diets are capped at roughly 10% and salt is almost never the actual cause. It is another victim of choosing a boogie man to hide the fact that sugar is by far the most destructive thing to consume by a huge margin
- last_one_in 2y agoFFS, can humans not just keep creating plastic crap that'll ruin the planet. Make your own wooden spoon and you have a beautiful object created with your own hands.
- sgt 2y agoBut how would that wooden spoon simulate salt?
- lm28469 2y agoI don't even get how we came to this point. Anyone uttering this question should reconsider their entire life choices... Is the end game of humanity shitty chat bots, half assed autonomous cars and salt simulating spoons? Is this what people dream about these days? We're pathetic
- alejoar 2y agoA huge percent of the population can't take food with salt because of medical conditions. This would be a quality of life improvement for them. You can still eat as much salt as you like, not need to feel pathetic.
- lm28469 2y agoHuge percent you say? Feel free to post a source How much of this huge percent are people with bad eating habits and who over used salt for decades in the first place? We should stop half assing solutions for symptoms when all we have to do is eat properly in the first place, diet coke doesn't solve diabetes, magic salt simulating spoons don't solve decades of bad choices.
- Fraterkes 2y agoBeing fat is uncomfortable, lowers your life-expectancy and is something many people feel embarrased about. In movies and popular culture fat people are overwhelmingly shown in a negative light (stupid, greedy, impulsive). All of which is to say: there are many many negative incentives for people to "eat properly" and obesity is still very common. Telling people to just get more disciplined is obviously not working. (Also, obesity and addiction more generally has a large genetic component, so try to have some empathy)
- TomWhitwell 2y agoThis idea has been around for a long time: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429935-000-food-bland-electric-spoon-zaps-taste-into-every-bite/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429935-000-food-bla...
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- t-3 2y agoWhen I heard about this, I couldn't help but think of the taste of a 9-volt battery on the tongue, but from what I understood/guessed from TFA, this does something more like pulling dissolved sodium ions to the outer surface of the food to make them more readily encountered by taste buds? So, the food would need to have a decent salt content to begin with and not be too dry probably?
- surfingdino 2y agoLasers. If ain't got no lasers it ain't no good.
- xattt 2y agoThe elephant in the room are electrophoretic effects of metal of the electrode leaching into the food, especially with long-term use.
- surfingdino 2y agoI think we are witnessing ascent of the new Dyson of kitchen utensils.
- throwawaybbq1 2y agoMy taste buds have become extremely muted after covid bouts and other sinus issues. Wonder if this would be helpful.
- WtfRuSerious 2y agoSay what you will about salt consumption, but my wife suffered thyroid issues until we added a shaker of iodized salt back into our kitchen/eating area.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y agoThere are plenty of other sources for iodine.
- strokirk 2y agoWhich?
- helpfulContrib 2y ago[dead]
- cogman10 2y agoPrimarily seafood. You can get it from a lot of other places, but they are unreliable. Plants grown in iodine rich soil will have iodine, but good luck identifying that. I use iodized salt because I don't love the alternatives.
- carlmr 2y agoSeaweed has plenty of iodine
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y agohttps://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-HealthProfessional/#h3 https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-HealthProfessional/...
- f1shy 2y agoNot really, at least not everywhere. If you live away of sea, you will bot be inclined to eat seafood, also will be expensive. There are many cultures in which the diet does not have enough iodine.
- nonelog 2y agoI mean, what do spend your time with, once you have solved all of the World's problems?
- jamesy0ung 2y agoHow much salt do I need to buy for the spoon to be cheaper?
- f1shy 2y agoWell also glutamate can be replaced.
- jcarrano 2y agoWe have sugar-free sweets, alcohol-free beer, tobacco-free cigarettes (vapes), THC-free weed, oil-free fryers and now salt-free saltiness.
- coffeebeqn 2y agoWhat a time to be alive! Honestly though none of these products appeal to me at all. It’s like the thing without the thing that makes it enjoyable. Except air fryers since the foods do still have some fat naturally
- f1shy 2y agoLactose and gluten free also… All foods which say “X free” take care of not saying what DOES is inside…
- metalman 2y agospeaking as a health conscious foodie ,with gagetaholism, this will press all of my "got to have the shiny thing" buttons, in an upscale retail enviroment a version built right into a bowl would be the way to intruduce it into resturaunts and build retail demand in places big on soup, Vietnam....china
- fullspectrumdev 2y agoThat’s actually a pretty solid idea, I wonder if it would work in a bowl format…
- mmahemoff 2y agoBut does it work? This is the third report I’ve seen in recent days and none of them mention if the spoon delivers on its promise. Reporters may be reluctant to share a spoon with dozens of other attendees, but might they practice some journalism by surveying folks who did try it?
- kalium-xyz 2y agoAt that price point placebos become pretty powerful. I’d like to see some actual data of salt distribution with a regular spoon vs theirs. EDIT: Seems that it works by stimulating the tongue with current not by changing salt distribution
- riidom 2y agoMy thoughts:)
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoWe can replace this boring chair with an ~electric chair~!
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- j_bum 2y agoHow about a fork, actually made of salt [0]? [0] https://youtu.be/4FPwNkkMPrE?si=IqgSHPIHyFVfeXu7 https://youtu.be/4FPwNkkMPrE?si=IqgSHPIHyFVfeXu7