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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Ca

• _blk 2y ago
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  • loloquwowndueo 2y ago
    Who’s Justine?
    • titanomachy 2y ago
      Justin Trudeau, maybe the "e" was an accident. He's about to receive a no-confidence vote from the opposition parties in parliament, which will force an election.
      • sn0wf1re 2y ago
        "Justine" is what some people who disapprove of him are calling him. It's a mocking conspiracy theory that JT's wife left him due to him being transexual.
        • loloquwowndueo 2y ago
          Wow nice to learn that names 12-year-olds use to refer to public figures have gone mainstream :)
      • loloquwowndueo 2y ago
        Oh I know, was just playing the “you can’t even get the name right?” card.
• JodieBenitez 2y ago
  For a moment I thought that was satire. Canada has its share of "multicultural" problems. And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people.
  • naniwaduni 2y ago
    > And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people. In the EU, of course, everyone is against anglophones.
    • DyslexicAtheist 2y ago
      being "anglophone" isn't the issue. Rather that we're ALL anglophones. But anglophones (or better native English speakers) are only anglophones.
      • sealeck 2y ago
        Come again?
        • DyslexicAtheist 2y ago
          reason for why Europeans are "against anglophones" as parent claims is likely that native english speakers tend to be only that. (not speaking anything else while for the rest of us being "anglophone" barely registers as a "skill" ...)
    • petre 2y ago
      Not really, the real "anglophones" are against everybody else, specifically Eastern Europe. So they got out of the EU thinking that would solve their problem.
  • highcountess 2y ago
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• zo1 2y ago
  He's also unaware of the controversy and debate many places in Europe are having over immigration. At this point I'd really like to know what country doesn't have some large backlash and controversy against immigration.
  • buzzert 2y ago
    Generally, countries with expanding economies and a lot of physical space do not have issues with immigration. The US has its problems, but the argument generally has been over the extent of immigration, and not against immigration entirely (minority extremists notwithstanding). Canada is interesting in this regard, because it has a lot of land but a contracting economy.
    • mmooss 2y ago
      It's fear-mongering for politics. It has nothing to do with economics or 'space'.
    • threeseed 2y ago
      Australia has had major political issues with immigration over the decades. And we have an expanding economy and a ridiculous amount of free space. So not sure your thesis works.
    • eastbound 2y ago
      There are only two countries on Earth that have a lot of physical space and expanding economies. As you admit, “The US has its own problems”, so it is not successful, and Australia too. So it is never welcomed by citizen, both the lowly and the H1B-level. Also what do you mean with “lot of physical space”… May I remind you that this space is empty because, in both country, we have killed the locals. I’m afraid you are considering Europe as “a lot of empty space”.
      • dgfitz 2y ago
        This whole narrative of “our ancestors sucked, we now need to own that guilt” seems like a backwards way of moving forward.
• xyst 2y ago
  > Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day. Always has been. Well at least in my experience in online gaming with a small portion of French Canadians.
  • throwawaysleep 2y ago
    Quebec would be a economic powerhouse if it weren’t French. One of the many reasons why.
    • fijiaarone 2y ago
      Fewer than 25% of people in Quebec speak French fluently. Less than 1/10 use French as their primary language.
      • wasabi991011 2y ago
        This does not sound remotely close to my experience. According to StatCan, about 6 million out of 8 million have French as a maternal language, and the same is true for the language spoken at home. Even more have French as the "language the most spoken at home". Source here: https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=F&SearchText=Quebec&DGUIDlist=2021A000224&GENDERlist=1,2,3&STATISTIClist=1,4&HEADERlist=0 https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/dp-pd/pr...
      • VerminOctopus1 2y ago
        …Have you ever even been to Quebec? If you go anywhere outside of Montreal, you’re lucky if anyone even speaks english. It’s all heavily French.
  • Sytten 2y ago
    The biggest "We told you so" moment I had in the past year was seeing the reversal of the ROC calling us racism to basically adopting our position that quality (value compatibility, economic plus value) and quantity (capacity to receive) in immigration are two important factor to not f*ck up social cohesion.
• squigz 2y ago
  That hardly lines up with my own impression of my fellow citizens.
  • nullorempty 2y ago
    Agrees with my experience with adults and young.
    • jejeyyy77 2y ago
      doesn’t line up with mine
      • thih9 2y ago
        Looks like it is changing, with geographical location being a factor too. > For the first time in a quarter century, a clear majority [58%] of Canadians say there is too much immigration, with this view strengthening considerably for the second consecutive year. This trend is evident across the population but is most significant in the Prairie provinces, while least so in Quebec. https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details/canadian-public-opinion-about-immigration-and-refugees---fall-2024 https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details...
• isodev 2y ago
  But is it really immigration or “immigration” like the kind that populist parties vilify for engagement? Here in Europe, it’s mostly “immigration”.
  • hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    We can't read your mind with whatever your quotes are supposed to mean.
    • isodev 2y ago
      It was a legitimate question. Issues related to displacement of people are often labeled as related to immigration or immigration problems while they’re closer to things like policy and services. These are also topics favourited by populist parties because it’s easy to generalise on them and misrepresent facts.
      • hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
        You're missing the point. We have no idea what your intended difference between immigration and "immigration" is supposed to be.
        • the_other 2y ago
          The one without quotes means "people moving across borders" the one with quotes means "people we've chosen to label as scary and dangerous because it makes you vote for us".
    • Tainnor 2y ago
      Some right-wingers will use the term "immigrant" for people that have been in the country for three generations.
• threeseed 2y ago
  > Young Canadians doubly so Similar situation in Australia and US. And most of it misplaced. One major issue is trying to buy a first home where the blame goes towards immigrants. Instead of towards older generations where the problem really lies. They apply political power across multiple levels of government to affect everything from planning, taxation, inheritance which systemically prevent young people getting into the market. Likewise upwards mobility and income inequality gets blamed on immigrants instead of the wealthy.
  • ipaddr 2y ago
    Inheritance goes to young people in the same family. I doubt that is holding back the young people who get it. Immigration keeps salaries low which is great for companies bad for young people. Immigrants of a similar age want the same type of housing. Young people starting out cannot afford their parents home. They compete for the same resources. Older generations are least affected.
    • threeseed 2y ago
      a) Inheritance is a problem because instead of property going back onto the market it is instead like you say kept inside families and typically used as investment properties. b) Immigration isn't keeping salaries low. Companies are. Because they have eliminated unionisation and so workers have no means to demand for higher wages. And with so much remote talent companies always have a backup plan in case there is a supply shortage. c) As you say they compete for the same resources. Now why can't there be more homes ? Because older people fight increasing density, refuse to support taxes on investment properties and are increasingly refusing to downsize once their children move out. Remember for many their legacy depends on high property prices.
      • FredPret 2y ago
        > c) ... It's crazy to me how many old people who self-identify as conservatives / capitalists have no qualms about using their political pull to get government muscle to kill competition in real estate using the building permitting process. Free markets mean free markets. Charlie Munger was right: it's all about incentives.
• titanomachy 2y ago
  You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.
  • ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
    That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.
    • dietr1ch 2y ago
      There's a certain amount of people that can adapt to a place, but if too many people of common culture comes in they just hijack the place. In Canada it seems to me they didn't establish the limit properly and people also worked around it by moving within Canada disregarding the agreement that they'd stay in a certain zone that still had some slack of people they could integrate.
      • sneak 2y ago
        Hijacking deprives someone else of their rights. Living differently than your neighbor doesn’t change anything for your neighbor. Nothing is “hijacked”.
        • yhg56fgniyfv 2y ago
          If all your neighbors no longer spoke English, you don't think that would affect you? Obviously that's an extreme example, but other cultural differences will affect you as well.
          • BobaFloutist 2y ago
            If they all spoke a common language, I'd try to learn a bit of it. How exciting!
• skissane 2y ago
  I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which individuals get chosen, etc. In 2015–2016, Germany admitted close to one million Syrian refugees. Over the same period, Canada took 44,000 of them. There is a never-ending stream of unauthorised arrivals (some genuine refugees, many economic migrants–it can be difficult to distinguish them) crossing the Mediterranean. The biggest complaint about immigration in Canada is that it is contributing to an overheated property market, locking many younger Canadians out of owning their own home. But the majority of immigrants to Canada are well-off, educated – so unlikely to get involved in social problems like crime or terrorism, and they tend to integrate well with mainstream society. There are some poorer and disadvantaged immigrant groups who are more likely to experience those problems, but their numbers are smaller. Compare to Europe where the number of poor / poorly educated / socially deprived immigrants is much larger. So while both Canada and Europe may have some problems with immigration, they are rather different problems.
  • scotty79 2y ago
    And yet racism is on the steep raise in Canada. I guess there's no way of doing migration that doesn't spark racism even if you are super careful about who you let in.
    • poncho_romero 2y ago
      That's not true. Canadians were, in general, very pro immigration until recently, because we had a highly selective process. Public opinion has only changed recently because federal immigration policy opened the floodgates to millions of Indian temporary foreign workers (mostly young, male, and unskilled). This has proved to be way too much for the country to handle.
    • mistermann 2y ago
      >racism What does "racism" mean? Is it even possible to be opposed to immigration from certain cultures or at all without it "being" "racist"?
• guywithahat 2y ago
  I mean racism isn't directly associated with support or opposition for immigration. You can be opposed to all immigration, even support remigration, and not be racist
  • mainframed 2y ago
    Remigration [...] is a [...] political concept referring to the forced or promoted return of non-ethnically European immigrants, often including their descendants who were born in Europe, back to their place of racial origin, typically with no regard for their citizenship [^1] Sounds pretty racist to me. Maybe you can be clearer on what you mean by non-racist remigration? The far-right groups, which are, at least in my country (Germany), the only once using the term to my knowledge, clearly mean it in a racist way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration
    • poncho_romero 2y ago
      People want temporary foreign workers--who immigrated here in unprecedented numbers in recent years--to leave the country, not anyone who has darker skin. No no brought up remigration.
      • mainframed 2y ago
        > No no brought up remigration. Not sure how "No no" is, if it is a language barrier or if you meant to write "No one". But the parent comment to mine brought it up. > People want temporary foreign workers--who immigrated here in unprecedented numbers in recent years--to leave the country, not anyone who has darker skin. I'm not very familiar with Canadian immigration. But if they are temporary foreign workers, they by definition shouldn't have a citizenship and instead just a (temporary) work visa. Also, I wouldn't call that immigration, hence it also isn't remigration. The challenge should just be, to no longer extend the visas and not fuck up the economy, right?
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• highcountess 2y ago
  Can I ask you to explain how and why it is acceptable to you that people in Canada would be opposed to having foreigners imposed upon them against their will and then you just dismiss their wishes and justified anger about such abuses by using a preprinted trigger command that justifies abusing them further by uttering the letters/sound of “racism”? Is it racism if all Canadians en masse, just up and moved to, e.g., El Salvador and totally swamped their culture and wrecked their identify and then started abusing them in their own homes? Why is it always only the trigger word “racism” when people complain about abuses, but it’s not “racism” when the abusers abuse the victims, the local indigenous population that is being assaulted and abused?
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  • foxglacier 2y ago
    Counterexample is Israel. Also Singapore I suppose but you don't hear many opinions about their founding. It's not a choice between immigrants and locals but between powerful and weak ethnic groups. Leftists side with the weak by default.
• varispeed 2y ago
  I don't believe the concerns about mass immigration are inherently rooted in racism. Instead, labelling such concerns as racist often serves as a way to silence or delegitimise the valid grievances of the working class. When people raise issues about the effects of immigration policies - such as increased competition for housing or jobs - they are often dismissed by those who benefit from these policies, such as large corporations seeking cheaper labour. This tactic has been used in many countries, framing opposition as prejudice to avoid addressing the broader economic and social consequences.
• amatecha 2y ago
  Speaking as a Vancouverite: nope. I'm more vocal than ever about calling out any shred of prejudice or hate from anyone around me -- not that I have to do so very often at all. Once or twice a year at most, I'd say. If you are in Canada and you have a problem with immigration, uhhh.. sorry, but you might want to figure out how to accept it. "According to the 2021 Canadian census, immigrants in Canada number 8.3 million persons and make up approximately 23 percent of Canada's total population. This represents the eighth-largest immigrant population in the world, while the proportion represents one of the highest ratios for industrialized Western countries" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada FYI, an extremely well-funded lobby group wants to bump Canada's population to 100 million by the year 2100: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative
  • galactus 2y ago
    As an immigrant in Canada, I have observed a relentless increase in anti-immigration discourse. While there are valid critiques of current immigration policies, the conversation too often carries a racist undertone.
    • amatecha 2y ago
      Yeah, there are surely aspects of the immigration program(s) to criticize, but the racism aspect has been either totally unchanged or decreased over time, from my observation. Though, maybe that's unsurprising considering: "Vancouver is one of the most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities in Canada: 49.3 percent of its residents are not native English speakers, 47.8 percent are native speakers of neither English nor French, and 54.5 percent of residents belong to visible minority groups." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver
      • galangalalgol 2y ago
        In a, maybe not worst case, but really bad case, where there is violent conflict between the west and the PRC, how mught that play out in BC? My understanding is that a large portion of that 54.5% are from there? In the US during ww2 many Japanese business and land holdings were nationalized and then auctioned off to local business people. It seems like a work of fiction now, but such things have precedent.
• jasode 2y ago
  A reddit thread started by a woman working at a college in Toronto was on the front page of reddit 2 months ago. Commenters just piled on with more and more anecdotes. : https://old.reddit.com/r/canadian/comments/1g7a6eg/im_sick_of_the_environment_weve_created/ https://old.reddit.com/r/canadian/comments/1g7a6eg/im_sick_o... I binged watched a bunch of videos on Europe's various countries' backlash to immigration. An example was a Sweden reversal of attitude on immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmBOqfxPc90 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmBOqfxPc90 Maybe the statistics in that video was cherry-picked and distorting reality. I haven't been to Sweden in 20 years to know the facts on the ground. Either way, the comments on that video are interesting. I remember thinking 8 years ago that Trump's rhetoric of "build a wall" was insane. But now seeing the negative attitudes in every country that accepted a mass influx of immigration, it turns out he brilliantly tapped into a frustration that no other high-profile politician running for President was brave enough to say bluntly. It helped him win the election.
  • femiagbabiaka 2y ago
    Reddit is completely astroturfed and shouldn't be taken as an real-world indication of political sentiments on any issue. However, turning to racist policy in light of economic crisis is not new, the last time Americans deported people of Mexican descent in droves was during the aftermath of the Great Depression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation Humanity will just have to relearn the lessons of the 1920s-1940s again, if it learns anything at all that is.
    • devops99 2y ago
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    • sangnoir 2y ago
      > Humanity will just have to relearn the lessons of the 1920s-1940s again, if it learns anything at all that is Every 3rd generation, the cycle starts over. It's the circle of strife. The last generation that saw war on an industrial scale has almost completely died out.
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• screye 2y ago
  Canada has some of the most easily abused immigration systems in the world. Back home in India, it's considered a joke, with entire movies made on that premise. It has led to mass migration of a slice of India's low-skill-low-virtue underclass. This subgroup provides little economic value, brings down wages & slots into existing criminal gangs in Canada. If this wasn't bad enough, Canada has the 1st world's most regressive housing system. This double whammy has made it impossible for Canada's millennials to buy houses, while boomers and gen-Xers get free asset appreciation and cheap labor. It's geriatric wealth transfer at the expense of this generation of Canadians. Canada should join the EU, because both entities have spent decades taking bureaucracy-led self-destructive actions in the name of faux diversity & expert-led consensus.
  • datr 2y ago
    Can you share the name of some of these movies? I'd be interested in checking them out.
  • youngNed 2y ago
    Tell me more about this Indian 'subgroup', this 'low-skill-low-virtue underclass' that's built into your very fabric of society, ingrained in religion, that you don't like.
    • screye 2y ago
      I think you're extrapolating further than I intended. I used the phrases 'low-skill-low-virtue underclass', 'slice' &'subgroup' for reasons of being precise, not as dog-whistles. 'Subgroup and slice' because Canada definitely imports some elite human capital from India. Those numbers haven't changed over the last decade. It's the 2nd type of immigration that's exploded and is worth talking about. As for your implication, I didn't call them Sikh because they aren't all or even majority Sikh. For the ones that are Sikh, their religion has very little to do with being low-skill or low-virtue. They're low skill as a matter of fact. A person doesn't chose to move to a bogus diploma-mill without basic competence in English, if they had meaningful skills. Low virtue because it involves actively abusing Canada's immigration system and closes your door to most respectful careers. It isn't endemic to the religion or the people. It is endemic to post-1980s Punjab. Now yes, being Sikh does make them more susceptible to being drawn into gangs once they're in Canada. But, there are enough non-Sikh gangs for the rest of them as well. If your sieve preserves pebbles, then you'll get pebbles. Canada created a system that actively imports 'low-optimism, low-skill & young Indians; with no opportunities back home; low attachment to the homeland, and a propensity for using shady methods for immigration'. Smart Sikhs & Indians alike are staying back home or working in the US, where wages and opportunities are plentiful. There is ofc the aforementioned steady stream of high-skill Indians moving to Canada, but their numbers have been outstripped over the last decade. If Canada had focused on expanding their high-skill pool while stamping some unsavory backdoor loopholes, then they could've had an excellent decade of productive immigration. Instead, they laid a red-carpet by the backdoor, added a 8 lane highway and now it's getting overwhelmed by unsavory backdoor users. _______ I acknowledge that low-virtue might not be the best way to phrase it. It's just that this group is desperate for survival. They have no time or concern for integration, Canadian culture or the west's conception of civic sense. While it manifests as low-virtue optics, it is primarily about individuals who refuse to give up extractive 3rd-world-surivivalist zero-sum mentalities.
• aprilthird2021 2y ago
  But it was the opposite up until really recently (basically up until the economic downturn caused by COVID). Canada was an outlier country with higher levels of immigration than most and probably the most tolerant people of immigrants.
• dismalaf 2y ago
  As a millennial Canadian, this. I've never seen this much disdain for immigration, not even close. Definitely can't blame people though, our immigration rate is completely insane, talking multiple times higher than the US rate or the EU rate at the height of the Syrian refugee crisis. Our GDP per capita has gone down every quarter for what, at least 2 years? Medical care, cost of living, everything is the worst I've experienced in my lifetime. When I was in university our dollar and average income were both higher than the US', now our dollar is at 70 cents USD and our average income is 40% lower...
  • nostromo 2y ago
    Canada is getting poor fast (compared to the US). This is from the Economist recently: https://archive.is/UdixF/ec46ebf7fe812cd5e9432f45f68bd142e6c4a822.avif https://archive.is/UdixF/ec46ebf7fe812cd5e9432f45f68bd142e6c... BC's GDP per capita is lower than Idahos. Ontario and Quebec's are lower than West Virginia's. https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/ https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/ This would be unthinkable not too long ago.
• sanex 2y ago
  Even my immigrant friends in Canada think there are too many immigrants.
  • systems 2y ago
    the problem is not too many or too little, the problem is integration i think canada have the potential to receive far more immigrant (and i think it should, to realize its full potentiel) but little is being done to help with their integration, two thins should be done 1. build more home 2. support startups and small businesses
    • WorkerBee28474 2y ago
      No, the problem is too many.
  • jmb99 2y ago
    Quote from a Chinese friend of mine form over the holidays (currently in Canada on a work visa, applying for a PR shortly, started as an exchange student in highschool): “I really like coming back to [jmb99’s hometown], it’s all white people. Nice change from Toronto.” Definitely a common sentiment.
    • tharkun__ 2y ago
      I hadn't been to Toronto in years until recently. We went to some parks (i.e. Parks Canada / Provincial Parks) around. Little did I know that you now have to register online to book your visit. You used to just go and pay cash at the entrance and that's it. This time you had to have an account and prove identity by logging in through your bank account for example, before they'd even let you purchase said ticket. We didn't really think much of it until later on but then it struck us: All, and I mean, literally all of the people we saw looked "Indian" (some may have been Pakistani etc. but you get what I'm trying to say). We were actually taken by surprise at one place, when we saw a bunch of (non-Indian) Asians in one of the parks. And once we saw a white couple. The Algonquin was completely booked and overflowing. Like you wouldn't even be able to just park and hike illegally. All of the Parks Canada staff was White or (non-Indian) Asian.
• nodesocket 2y ago
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• adriand 2y ago
  That’s not the full context of what is in the article. The full sentence is: > Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates, though a housing crunch has frayed that consensus of late. Far from sounding ignorant, the author sounds well-informed.
  • boringg 2y ago
    Last I checked immigration isn't doing to well in the EU either.
  • seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    “Frayed” is an understatement though: Canada has swung clearly in the anti-immigration camp over the last 4 or so years, maybe longer? It is to the point that Trump might actually be popular in Canada now just because of anti immigration sentiment alone.
    • roncesvalles 2y ago
      Online, hate appears far more amplified than it is in the outside world. In the real world, yes there are places teeming with immigrants and international students, but you drive a block and turn a corner, and "it's Canada again". You lose that nuance in the online world where all you see is 10 seconds of a 120 degree window into some parking lot somewhere where immigrants happened to have gathered. If you watch a video of the Embarcadero in SF on a Sunday, you're gonna think no one actually lives in SF, there's only tourists.
      • OccamsMirror 2y ago
        I think you'll find it's the very real housing crisis that is causing the anti-immigration sentiment.
      • bawolff 2y ago
        Polls suggest 58% of canadians want less immigrants. That is up by 17% in 2 years. Those numbers are quite concerning. https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details/canadian-public-opinion-about-immigration-and-refugees---fall-2024 https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details... However i don't think its because people hate immigrants. I think its because conservatives managed to link it to the housing crisis, which is something canadians care a lot about, and neither liberals or ndp have had an effective come back to that.
• Tiktaalik 2y ago
  It's the classic thing where people are unhappy due to unrelated systemic problems and they lash out and blame the latest people to show up. Canadians are suffering due to decades on decades of poor housing policy and a continued reluctance to seriously engage in the problem. Suddenly immigrants are to blame. Never mind the fact that long ago, before this government even touched immigration numbers, or were even elected, Toronto and Vancouver were already experiencing housing crises of high prices and severe shortage.
  • kypro 2y ago
    I'm not that familiar with Canadian economics, but doesn't Canada have a below replacement birth rate like most of the developed world? How did they even manage to end up in a housing crisis?
    • Tiktaalik 2y ago
      Well two things: 1. Canadian household size is decreasing as more people are staying single, and people are living longer and becoming widowed. So even if population was completely flat Canada would need more homes over time. 2. Of course Canada has always had immigration and the population has thus always been increasing regardless of the birth rate. This is not a remarkable issue and easily accommodated by building more housing, but the severe systemic barriers to creating housing has made it more scarce and expensive than it should be. This was already the case in the major cities all the way back to the mid 2010s and the last government. The dominant problem here is bad housing policy dating back to the 1990s, not a sudden increase in immigration numbers in the last two years.
  • swat535 2y ago
    I beg to differ, I think import 5x the amount of population from the same part of the world has a major impact on any country, especially if the government doesn't plan for the sudden increase in population by expanding infrastructure, healthcare, housing etc. Leaving the social issues aside, this was very poorly planned and average Canadians, especially young ones are feeling the pressure as a direct result of these policies. Of course there are other factors but to argue that this is "sudden" and misplaced is not genuine.
• BeetleB 2y ago
  > Indeed. Every Canadian I know who emigrated there is sick of immigration. And no. That's not a joke (i.e. they want do say that) but a bit of irony.
• dangus 2y ago
  I think in this context the idea of open borders between the USA and Canada in a similar fashion to the EU would be an interesting thought experiment to study. Presumably a bunch of Canadians would leave Canada in favor of higher US salaries, or cheaper housing. The idea that Toronto real estate pricing is so geographically close to Buffalo, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh is interesting. Then again, presumably a bunch of people looking for affordable healthcare would be moving up to Canada. Or perhaps not all that many people would go anywhere permanently and they would just have an easier time going on vacation in either direction.
• ulfw 2y ago
  Sounds like a country that shouldn't be part of a multicultural European Union then