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I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and

by davidw 2y ago

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of a healthy democracy that we can agree to disagree about various aspects of our society. It's pretty rare to see, on the other hand, someone insert themselves into politics quite so loudly, and in such an extreme way. A lot of what we've seen from the head of that company in the past few years is playing footsie (and sometimes not very subtly) with outright anti-semitism and white supremacy. I'm not ok with that.

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- avgDev 2y ago
  The wealth inequality is growing in the US, while lower class is struggling. The kind of wealth Musk, Bezos, Gates have should be taxed a lot higher. They have teams searching for loop holes. The system is unfair for the average guy. How did ALL federal agencies target musk? He is literally getting funding from the government.
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dauertewigkeit 2y ago
Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? Musk's involvement is on the level of e.g. Rupert Murdoch or the Adelsons. It's well beyond even most billionaires' political activities.
  - dauertewigkeit 2y ago
    I'm not denying that. I think it might open some people's eyes to the reality that we live in.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      In the same way that murderers should get some credit for opening people's eyes to the reality that there are other murderers.
- thoeaway298472 2y ago
  Multiple things can be bad at the same time. Those other billionaires are off topic in a post about Tesla. Musk isn't.
- fredfoo 2y ago
  The quiet billionaires put up something they care a great deal about. Musk's nonsenses in the US can be interpreted many ways but his screwing Germany and the UK with his incoherent stoner thoughts is basically letting off steam at everyone's expense because a lot of people are too stupid to understand how compartmentalized success is and that he doesn't necessarily even know who he is talking about.
- pupppet 2y ago
j4coh 2y ago
I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.
- FloorEgg 2y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Do you really think that being at odds with both extreme ends of the political spectrum is a bad thing? He's also at odds with much of the centre. Musk picks fights, and not particularly strategically. The comment about his lack of social skills is spot on.
  - j4coh 2y ago
    He isn’t being read as being at odds with the extremes, he is seen as extreme. I personally don’t think he’s extremist, he reminds me of myself when I was an edgy, poorly socialised 12 year old except with billions of dollars. Hence the comment about social skills. To your second question, I’m not sure where you’re getting that I would think that so I’m unsure how to respond in a helpful way.
  - tzs 2y ago
    It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86℉ (30℃) for the other half of the day.
    - FloorEgg 2y ago
      What issues do you find he is extreme on?
SoftTalker 2y ago
I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.
- camhart 2y ago
  I'd argue inflation and high interest rates have a large impact too. When every day necessities (shelter, food, healthcare, education) are +30% at a minimum, there's not a lot leftover for fancy cars for most Americans.
  - ashoeafoot 2y ago
    Economic self strangulation induced via the wealth gap. Its going to be economically impossible to build anything but luxury shoes next.
    - parineum 2y ago
      I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID. How does the wealth gap cause inflation?
      - nozzlegear 2y ago
        I don't claim to be an economist, but direct stimulus payments to Americans totaled about $2100 on average. The US economy is worth trillions annually. I'm sure the stimulus checks made a small bump on inflation in the short term, but they couldn't possibly drive sustained, systemic inflation. Unless you're talking about the broader fiscal packages for supporting businesses/unemployment benefits during COVID when you say "printing new money?"
        parineum 2y ago
        Printing new money means spending money that doesn't (yet) exist. If there is 1 trillion dollars in the possession of all humans and the government buyys a trillion dollars worth of good with new money, all previous money os jow worth half it's previous value.
camhart 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > He's only extreme if your view points are extreme left Musk's policy positions are all over the political compass. While I wouldn't call him a right-wing extremist (that's where Loomer et al live), he's certainly a right winger in the political company he keeps and supports. > Hello downvotes "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading" [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > nothing wrong with being a right winger, unless you live in a silo that is intolerant to it No, but it's obviously going to alienate a large swath of the consumer base, i.e. most people able to and interested in buying an electric car. > Commenting on downvotes is done to try and get people to second guess their knee jerk reaction It's the only reason I flagged your comment. Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"?
      - camhart 2y ago
        > most people able to and interested in buying an electric car For what it's worth, I've wanted a tesla for many years. I haven't pulled the trigger because of the cost. I'm not sure how many right leaning techies there are out there, but we do exist. And when I worked on the West coast I learned pretty quickly that there are consequences if I share my political views. No clue how many more there are like me, but I'm certainly not the only one. > Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"? I think free speech is strongest when differing views are tolerated. The fact that people feel they can't share their opinion is what damages free speech. I'm just trying to express that I feel I can't on HN, but I do feel some obligation to in an effort to be a good citizen. I wasn't aware of the rule. I also think it's comical that it's used to remove an otherwise reasonable comment entirely (this just punishes those who have different opinions from the main HN audience). I've learned that commenting on anything political here turns into a big distraction, so I was trying to take part but avoid some of the backlash.
bnjms 2y ago
> rare to see, on the other hand, someone insert themselves into politics quite so loudly, and in such an extreme way. Publicly sure. I assume it’s always been this way though. And I’m more concerned about the ones we’re unaware of.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Publicly sure. I assume it’s always been this way Then you're misreading history. You have to go back to the age of the robber barons to find private individuals with the power to shut down the government [1]. [1] https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-congress-bipartisan-deal-320a3487d596ae0d2e1ffdc1e62054b3 https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-congress-bipartisan-dea...
invalidname 2y ago
Same. I wish we can go back to the time of "I respectfully disagree with my esteemed opponent". More than anything I'd just be embarrassed to drive in a Tesla. I can't believe the level of brand damage he did in such a short period of time.
bko 2y ago
The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless corporation and you're dealing with PR people and can't get a straight answer, or you're dealing with someone in founder mode but you'll have to hear their political opinions if you choose to use the social media platform they also own. In other words, I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies. I wish more founders were eccentric and taking risk rather than trying to squeeze out every last dime of profits by outsourcing or cutting corners or the million other marginal things an MBA program will teach you to do.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it. That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech titan he was.
  - chaps 2y ago
    Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world.
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    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world Social media isn't most of the world. I don't like it. But I also don't like most of social media. Musk faced no consequences for his paedo comments. He is facing consequences for his partisan activism. That's the difference between being a public and political figure.
tnaxer 2y ago
After criticizing Israel he was "invited" over there, was completely deferential and wore the symbol of the Israel army in interview. Sorry, a real antisemite wouldn't do that. What likely happened is that his comments were taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted by the "left" (i.e., corporate and establishment friendly) media.
- orwin 2y ago
  Instead of "left", you can call them liberals or radical centrists, but that would include part of the Republicans as well, and people on the democrat party who really believe in what they say/think. My preferred is "extreme centre" but that's a bit more niche, and i think pretty much unknown for the anglo world, although Tariq Ali wrote a book on it[0] which is too political for me (i like the politics inside, but the issue is that the only english book that talk about this term is pretty much marked politically when it should be universal[1]) [0]https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39705210-the-extreme-centre https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39705210-the-extreme-cen... [1] But that's not surprising, it kinda confirm my theory about politics and propension to read outside/academic sources
- kanbara 2y ago
  and yet he supports the AfD, far-right "influencers", re-platformed actual nazis, doesn't think j6 was terrorism. the only reason he isn't antisemitic is because he hates muslims more, but either way it's all fascism and racism and none of it is right.
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underseacables 2y ago
But they have been doing it forever. Soros, Epstein, SBF, Bezos... Your ideal is noble but perhaps a little naive.
- LeafItAlone 2y ago
  >someone insert themselves into politics quite so loudly Soros and Epstein did it quietly. I’d wager that most people have never heard anything from Soros himself or know what he has actually done, but merely have heard that he uses his wealth to influence politics. Usually as an attack against an idea or group. Epstein is certainly not known for influencing politics. And quite frankly, flew under the radar for the general public until the end of his life in 2019. People outside tech or finance would not know who SBF is unless you told them exactly what he did and then maybe they’d remember a news article about it. Bezos might be the best example you provide, but I don’t think he rises to the loudness of Musk.
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- nozzlegear 2y ago
  This lacks any and all context. What's the relevance?
penjelly 2y ago
the "dark MAGA" bit was very unusual, not sure what musk was thinking there
karp773 2y ago
It's pretty common in third world countries.
cbeach 2y ago
The blue tribe are especially riled about Elon Musk belonging to the red tribe… because Musk once belonged to the blue tribe. To tribal types, there’s nothing worse than an apostate.
- davidw 2y ago
  I could sit down and have a great conversation with, say, Mitt Romney or GWB, I bet. I'd learn something about the world and how they view it and their thoughts and ideas. The white supremacy stuff is just trash though. That's not "tribes", it's unacceptable.
  - cbeach 2y ago
    > The white supremacy stuff is just trash though. That's not "tribes", it's unacceptable. Are you really branding Elon Musk a "white supremacist?" Based on what? Some ill-advised retweet of a crank on Twitter?
    - peutetre 2y ago
      The "but that's not the real Musk" game doesn't work anymore. They aren't "ill-advised" retweets. They are who and what he is. Increasingly they are all he is. Musk is the crank on Twitter. Musk spends all day, every day showing you who and what he is. Believe him. Here are two exercises for you: 1. Musk is keen on criticizing many governments, both foreign and domestic. Can you find for me a single criticism of the Chinese government from Musk? 2. Musk likes to spread conspiracy theories. Musk says he is a technologist. Musk says he knows a lot about computers. Musk says the last thing he would do is trust a computer program: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/musk-pushes-debunked-dominion-voting-conspiracy-theory-campaign-appear-rcna175985 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/musk-pushes-debunked-... Can you reconcile Musk's position that he would never trust a computer program with his claim that Tesla has a full-self driving computer program that does full autonomy (this time for sure!) and everyone should trust it (it will save lives!) and buy it and rent it and hail a robotaxi?
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by davidw 2y ago

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avgDev 2y ago
The wealth inequality is growing in the US, while lower class is struggling. The kind of wealth Musk, Bezos, Gates have should be taxed a lot higher. They have teams searching for loop holes. The system is unfair for the average guy. How did ALL federal agencies target musk? He is literally getting funding from the government.
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dauertewigkeit 2y ago

Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? Musk's involvement is on the level of e.g. Rupert Murdoch or the Adelsons. It's well beyond even most billionaires' political activities.
- dauertewigkeit 2y ago
  I'm not denying that. I think it might open some people's eyes to the reality that we live in.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    In the same way that murderers should get some credit for opening people's eyes to the reality that there are other murderers.
thoeaway298472 2y ago
Multiple things can be bad at the same time. Those other billionaires are off topic in a post about Tesla. Musk isn't.
fredfoo 2y ago
The quiet billionaires put up something they care a great deal about. Musk's nonsenses in the US can be interpreted many ways but his screwing Germany and the UK with his incoherent stoner thoughts is basically letting off steam at everyone's expense because a lot of people are too stupid to understand how compartmentalized success is and that he doesn't necessarily even know who he is talking about.
pupppet 2y ago

j4coh 2y ago

I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

FloorEgg 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Do you really think that being at odds with both extreme ends of the political spectrum is a bad thing? He's also at odds with much of the centre. Musk picks fights, and not particularly strategically. The comment about his lack of social skills is spot on.
- j4coh 2y ago
  He isn’t being read as being at odds with the extremes, he is seen as extreme. I personally don’t think he’s extremist, he reminds me of myself when I was an edgy, poorly socialised 12 year old except with billions of dollars. Hence the comment about social skills. To your second question, I’m not sure where you’re getting that I would think that so I’m unsure how to respond in a helpful way.
- tzs 2y ago
  It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86℉ (30℃) for the other half of the day.
  - FloorEgg 2y ago
    What issues do you find he is extreme on?

SoftTalker 2y ago

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

camhart 2y ago
I'd argue inflation and high interest rates have a large impact too. When every day necessities (shelter, food, healthcare, education) are +30% at a minimum, there's not a lot leftover for fancy cars for most Americans.
- ashoeafoot 2y ago
  Economic self strangulation induced via the wealth gap. Its going to be economically impossible to build anything but luxury shoes next.
  - parineum 2y ago
    I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID. How does the wealth gap cause inflation?
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      I don't claim to be an economist, but direct stimulus payments to Americans totaled about $2100 on average. The US economy is worth trillions annually. I'm sure the stimulus checks made a small bump on inflation in the short term, but they couldn't possibly drive sustained, systemic inflation. Unless you're talking about the broader fiscal packages for supporting businesses/unemployment benefits during COVID when you say "printing new money?"
      - parineum 2y ago
        Printing new money means spending money that doesn't (yet) exist. If there is 1 trillion dollars in the possession of all humans and the government buyys a trillion dollars worth of good with new money, all previous money os jow worth half it's previous value.

camhart 2y ago

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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> He's only extreme if your view points are extreme left Musk's policy positions are all over the political compass. While I wouldn't call him a right-wing extremist (that's where Loomer et al live), he's certainly a right winger in the political company he keeps and supports. > Hello downvotes "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading" [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- camhart 2y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > nothing wrong with being a right winger, unless you live in a silo that is intolerant to it No, but it's obviously going to alienate a large swath of the consumer base, i.e. most people able to and interested in buying an electric car. > Commenting on downvotes is done to try and get people to second guess their knee jerk reaction It's the only reason I flagged your comment. Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"?
    - camhart 2y ago
      > most people able to and interested in buying an electric car For what it's worth, I've wanted a tesla for many years. I haven't pulled the trigger because of the cost. I'm not sure how many right leaning techies there are out there, but we do exist. And when I worked on the West coast I learned pretty quickly that there are consequences if I share my political views. No clue how many more there are like me, but I'm certainly not the only one. > Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"? I think free speech is strongest when differing views are tolerated. The fact that people feel they can't share their opinion is what damages free speech. I'm just trying to express that I feel I can't on HN, but I do feel some obligation to in an effort to be a good citizen. I wasn't aware of the rule. I also think it's comical that it's used to remove an otherwise reasonable comment entirely (this just punishes those who have different opinions from the main HN audience). I've learned that commenting on anything political here turns into a big distraction, so I was trying to take part but avoid some of the backlash.

bnjms 2y ago

> rare to see, on the other hand, someone insert themselves into politics quite so loudly, and in such an extreme way. Publicly sure. I assume it’s always been this way though. And I’m more concerned about the ones we’re unaware of.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Publicly sure. I assume it’s always been this way Then you're misreading history. You have to go back to the age of the robber barons to find private individuals with the power to shut down the government [1]. [1] https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-congress-bipartisan-deal-320a3487d596ae0d2e1ffdc1e62054b3 https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-congress-bipartisan-dea...

invalidname 2y ago

Same. I wish we can go back to the time of "I respectfully disagree with my esteemed opponent". More than anything I'd just be embarrassed to drive in a Tesla. I can't believe the level of brand damage he did in such a short period of time.

bko 2y ago

The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless corporation and you're dealing with PR people and can't get a straight answer, or you're dealing with someone in founder mode but you'll have to hear their political opinions if you choose to use the social media platform they also own. In other words, I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies. I wish more founders were eccentric and taking risk rather than trying to squeeze out every last dime of profits by outsourcing or cutting corners or the million other marginal things an MBA program will teach you to do.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it. That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech titan he was.
- chaps 2y ago
  Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world.
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world Social media isn't most of the world. I don't like it. But I also don't like most of social media. Musk faced no consequences for his paedo comments. He is facing consequences for his partisan activism. That's the difference between being a public and political figure.

tnaxer 2y ago

After criticizing Israel he was "invited" over there, was completely deferential and wore the symbol of the Israel army in interview. Sorry, a real antisemite wouldn't do that. What likely happened is that his comments were taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted by the "left" (i.e., corporate and establishment friendly) media.

orwin 2y ago
Instead of "left", you can call them liberals or radical centrists, but that would include part of the Republicans as well, and people on the democrat party who really believe in what they say/think. My preferred is "extreme centre" but that's a bit more niche, and i think pretty much unknown for the anglo world, although Tariq Ali wrote a book on it[0] which is too political for me (i like the politics inside, but the issue is that the only english book that talk about this term is pretty much marked politically when it should be universal[1]) [0]https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39705210-the-extreme-centre https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39705210-the-extreme-cen... [1] But that's not surprising, it kinda confirm my theory about politics and propension to read outside/academic sources
kanbara 2y ago
and yet he supports the AfD, far-right "influencers", re-platformed actual nazis, doesn't think j6 was terrorism. the only reason he isn't antisemitic is because he hates muslims more, but either way it's all fascism and racism and none of it is right.
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underseacables 2y ago

But they have been doing it forever. Soros, Epstein, SBF, Bezos... Your ideal is noble but perhaps a little naive.

LeafItAlone 2y ago
>someone insert themselves into politics quite so loudly Soros and Epstein did it quietly. I’d wager that most people have never heard anything from Soros himself or know what he has actually done, but merely have heard that he uses his wealth to influence politics. Usually as an attack against an idea or group. Epstein is certainly not known for influencing politics. And quite frankly, flew under the radar for the general public until the end of his life in 2019. People outside tech or finance would not know who SBF is unless you told them exactly what he did and then maybe they’d remember a news article about it. Bezos might be the best example you provide, but I don’t think he rises to the loudness of Musk.

paulddraper 2y ago

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nozzlegear 2y ago
This lacks any and all context. What's the relevance?

penjelly 2y ago

the "dark MAGA" bit was very unusual, not sure what musk was thinking there

karp773 2y ago

It's pretty common in third world countries.

cbeach 2y ago

The blue tribe are especially riled about Elon Musk belonging to the red tribe… because Musk once belonged to the blue tribe. To tribal types, there’s nothing worse than an apostate.

davidw 2y ago
I could sit down and have a great conversation with, say, Mitt Romney or GWB, I bet. I'd learn something about the world and how they view it and their thoughts and ideas. The white supremacy stuff is just trash though. That's not "tribes", it's unacceptable.
- cbeach 2y ago
  > The white supremacy stuff is just trash though. That's not "tribes", it's unacceptable. Are you really branding Elon Musk a "white supremacist?" Based on what? Some ill-advised retweet of a crank on Twitter?
  - peutetre 2y ago
    The "but that's not the real Musk" game doesn't work anymore. They aren't "ill-advised" retweets. They are who and what he is. Increasingly they are all he is. Musk is the crank on Twitter. Musk spends all day, every day showing you who and what he is. Believe him. Here are two exercises for you: 1. Musk is keen on criticizing many governments, both foreign and domestic. Can you find for me a single criticism of the Chinese government from Musk? 2. Musk likes to spread conspiracy theories. Musk says he is a technologist. Musk says he knows a lot about computers. Musk says the last thing he would do is trust a computer program: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/musk-pushes-debunked-dominion-voting-conspiracy-theory-campaign-appear-rcna175985 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/musk-pushes-debunked-... Can you reconcile Musk's position that he would never trust a computer program with his claim that Tesla has a full-self driving computer program that does full autonomy (this time for sure!) and everyone should trust it (it will save lives!) and buy it and rent it and hail a robotaxi?
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