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And all the cubans in the US hate castro. Its not a representative sample. Also its CCP not CPC
by HDThoreaun 2y ago
And all the cubans in the US hate castro. Its not a representative sample. Also its CCP not CPC
- marcosdumay 2y agoWhen all the immigrants from some place are there because they are running from the same thing, yes, that's very representative.
- bboygravity 2y agoThe few Chinese I met who managed to (permanently) escape China after covid consider themselves extremely lucky. Biased sample, maybe. Life doesn't seem easy for (young) folks in China right now and Winnie doesn't seem to be very popular among them.
- olalonde 2y agoThe CCP is actually widely popular in mainland China.
- rad_gruchalski 2y agoRussia is popular in Russia. All North Koreans you would be allowed to speak to in North Korea love North Korea. What a news.
- olalonde 2y agoI used to share this view but it turned out to be naive. After living in China for over a decade I can confidently say that the majority of Chinese actually support the CCP. I know, it's hard to believe for us Westerners.
- rad_gruchalski 2y agoTell me, what happens when they don’t openly support the CCP?
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoYou don’t have to openly support the party as long as you don’t openly oppose it. China has a lot of grass mud horses (people who aren’t at harmony with the party) and most of them are never sent off for re-education. The central government doesn’t really have that level of surveillance or control, and local governments have even less of that.
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago> as long as you don’t openly oppose it … most of them are never sent off for re-education. Thanks for the answer.
- olalonde 2y agoNothing. In fact, most Chinese people tend to be apolitical and show little to no interest in politics. You'll occasionally see portraits of figures like Mao or Deng hanging in restaurants though it probably serves more as a historical symbol than a political statement.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoMost Chinese are apolitical and won’t express strong support for or against. I would say they are even less political than Americans since they don’t have much say in it anyways. I worked at an American tech in Beijing for 9 years, and some of my colleagues would express some nationalism, especially when the South China Sea conflicts started, some of them were always subversive, most didn’t care. Everyone thought the political education courses they were required to take in college were a waste of time.
- olalonde 2y agoAgreed.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoThey definitely win all of the elections.
- f1shy 2y agoAs much as Castro in Cuba. Last week I had a conversation with a man from Cuba, who escaped and is living in Europe… he said sooo many good things about Castro and his mother.
- marcosdumay 2y agoThat's bullshit. If the party was really popular in China, there would be emigrants that are looking just into making more money, but actually loved how the country is run.
- janalsncm 2y agoRepresentative of what? There is an obvious selection bias. Maybe you could interview people people in Green Bay about the Bears to find a similarly “representative” sample.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoCPC is the official acronym, since the party’s name is the Communist Party of China (CPC), only in English does it become the Chinese Communist Party. They don’t use the CCP abbreviation in China.
- TeaBrain 2y agoCCP is a closer translation of how the party name is written in Chinese. It has never made sense why they decided they would be referred to as CPC in English, when the original party name in Chinese reads as CCP.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoIt’s definitely because they want to be known as the communist party of China (place distinction) rather than a Chinese (ethnic or nationality distinction) communist party. The former definition is one of land and the other one is bound to people, and not all Chinese live in china, and not all people in china are ethnically Han. This probably meant more during the Stalin years (before the Sino-Soviet split) when they were strongly a branch of the communist party of the Soviet Union. The same ambiguity pops up in their acronym: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Sovie...
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- TeaBrain 2y agoThe Soviet party is translated as it is traditionally spelled in Russian.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoAnd what do you think was the first language translation for the communist party of China? Definitely Russian. I bet we find the same pattern in the other affiliated communist parties.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoThe organization conventionally known in English-language media as the CCP consistently refers to itself as the CPC in its own communications, although there seems to be a pretty broad consensus that both acronyms are fine.