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I think this might actually be it - he may have been motivated in some part by fame (but planned to be anonymous and get away with it) and after the hugely posi

I think this might actually be it - he may have been motivated in some part by fame (but planned to be anonymous and get away with it) and after the hugely positive online response decided to purposely get caught. Trial for this could be hugely publicized

evoke4908 2y ago
I'm real interested in how a trial goes. Can you even find enough people in America who haven't been bent over by insurance to form an unbiased jury? I find it hard to imagine any jury would convict him.
- senordevnyc 2y ago
  I keep seeing this take, and it seems pretty bizarre to me. Most Americans rate their health insurance as excellent or good [1], and even of the ones that don't, most probably don't support murdering health insurance executives on the street. They won't have trouble seating a jury, and he'll be convicted of 1st degree homicide and spend the rest of his adult life in prison. 1. https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-survey-of-consumer-experiences-with-health-insurance/ https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-surve...
  - ks2048 2y ago
    I think the problem is with outliers. Most people don’t have problems with thier health insurance because they don’t interact with it much or just have routine care. But if you’re unlucky, it can ruin your life or the life of a loved one. It’s not hard to find horror stories - some recent viral ones came from LinkedIn comments to the CEO (written before his murder)
- furyofantares 2y ago
  This is wildly unrealistic. Many people have not been bent over by insurance, but that's the less confusing part of this post. Almost everyone who has been bent over by insurance will still find someone who assassinated another dude guilty.
  - acdha 2y ago
    I generally agree but think it’ll depend on how sympathetic his case is and what defense he tries. I believe New York juries have to reach a unanimous decision and if he had one of those insurance horror stories it wouldn’t be unheard of for at least one juror to feel sympathetic to, say, a provocation defense and only find him guilty of lesser charges.
    - 1123581321 2y ago
      Not guilty must also be unanimous. If the jurors can’t agree it’ll be retried. Usually lone holdouts capitulate.
      - acdha 2y ago
        Yes, as I said the mostly likely outcome is guilty but it wouldn’t shock me if, say, he wasn’t convicted on every charge. Juries introduce a human element and the response to this murder illustrates how many people really hate insurance companies. Something over 10% of Americans say they know someone who died due to denied care, which is a big enough number that I wouldn’t rule anything out.
        1123581321 2y ago
        There are other stats in play, too. For example, 30% of Americans know a murder victim. 50% have dealt with gun violence. The jury system narrows down to people who can focus on the law and follow the judge’s instructions. The pool of potential jurors is huge. It’s been rare that a trial has changed counties in any state because too many people in a county have strong feelings about the victim or perpetrator. I could see lesser murder charged being brought to keep motivation out of the trial, though. And yes, rule nothing out (in any trial.)
  - robotresearcher 2y ago
    Anyone who has been bent over by insurance will not be selected for the jury.
prawn 2y ago
If you wanted to get the message out, you could go to a media org for interview and then call police in. I wonder if cops were monitoring major news offices because of this.

evoke4908 2y ago

I'm real interested in how a trial goes. Can you even find enough people in America who haven't been bent over by insurance to form an unbiased jury? I find it hard to imagine any jury would convict him.

senordevnyc 2y ago
I keep seeing this take, and it seems pretty bizarre to me. Most Americans rate their health insurance as excellent or good [1], and even of the ones that don't, most probably don't support murdering health insurance executives on the street. They won't have trouble seating a jury, and he'll be convicted of 1st degree homicide and spend the rest of his adult life in prison. 1. https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-survey-of-consumer-experiences-with-health-insurance/ https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-surve...
- ks2048 2y ago
  I think the problem is with outliers. Most people don’t have problems with thier health insurance because they don’t interact with it much or just have routine care. But if you’re unlucky, it can ruin your life or the life of a loved one. It’s not hard to find horror stories - some recent viral ones came from LinkedIn comments to the CEO (written before his murder)
furyofantares 2y ago
This is wildly unrealistic. Many people have not been bent over by insurance, but that's the less confusing part of this post. Almost everyone who has been bent over by insurance will still find someone who assassinated another dude guilty.
- acdha 2y ago
  I generally agree but think it’ll depend on how sympathetic his case is and what defense he tries. I believe New York juries have to reach a unanimous decision and if he had one of those insurance horror stories it wouldn’t be unheard of for at least one juror to feel sympathetic to, say, a provocation defense and only find him guilty of lesser charges.
  - 1123581321 2y ago
    Not guilty must also be unanimous. If the jurors can’t agree it’ll be retried. Usually lone holdouts capitulate.
    - acdha 2y ago
      Yes, as I said the mostly likely outcome is guilty but it wouldn’t shock me if, say, he wasn’t convicted on every charge. Juries introduce a human element and the response to this murder illustrates how many people really hate insurance companies. Something over 10% of Americans say they know someone who died due to denied care, which is a big enough number that I wouldn’t rule anything out.
      - 1123581321 2y ago
        There are other stats in play, too. For example, 30% of Americans know a murder victim. 50% have dealt with gun violence. The jury system narrows down to people who can focus on the law and follow the judge’s instructions. The pool of potential jurors is huge. It’s been rare that a trial has changed counties in any state because too many people in a county have strong feelings about the victim or perpetrator. I could see lesser murder charged being brought to keep motivation out of the trial, though. And yes, rule nothing out (in any trial.)
- robotresearcher 2y ago
  Anyone who has been bent over by insurance will not be selected for the jury.

prawn 2y ago

If you wanted to get the message out, you could go to a media org for interview and then call police in. I wonder if cops were monitoring major news offices because of this.