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All high end Samsung phones can do this as well (DEX).

by rjh29 2y ago

boomskats 2y ago
Not the ones that compete with the aforementioned Razr, unfortunately.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  The latest Z Fold6 can do DeX but its a bit hidden, not official.
  - rjh29 2y ago
    The Fold4 switches to dex as soon as you connect a monitor. I wonder why they made it harder to use?
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Ooops. Sorry. I meant the Z Flip 6. Not the fold. The folds have always had fully supported DeX. The Flips did not have a DP-capable USB-C port until the Flip 5, and still did not support DeX due to thermals. But the Flip 6 has it with a developer option, but only the "new" DeX. Sorry for the confusion on my side. I thought of the Flip as the OP mentioned the Motorola Razr which is positioned against that, not the Fold.
jajko 2y ago
Can confirm, S22 ultra when plugged into Dell docking box (or whatever its called, not a typical docking station, it just connects with laptop via thick USB-C cable) works out of box, with mouse and keyboard. Firefox with ublock origin works very well for example. The only thing is it doesn't adjust automatically to native screen resolution (1600p in my case). But its still just an Android, even with full filesystem access it feels vastly subpar to normal desktop PC if I need more than just browsing or other android apps.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
  I am thinking of using it as a remote desktop to connect to my home or server PC. Shouldn't be very CPU consuming.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Yeah Firefox on DeX also lacks pc style tabs which Chrome does have. It's the only case where I really use chrome a lot.
  - rjh29 2y ago
    Chrome even switches to tabs when you unfold the Fold phones, which is really nice.
- jcul 2y ago
  My dream was to be able to use VR glasses and something like Samsung dex for an ultra portable coding workstation. I bought a pair of Viture Pro glasses, but they were pretty unusable for coding for me. Maybe for watching videos would have been OK but not typing / needing to read all areas of the screen.
amelius 2y ago
How secure is it? Will Samsung or others be able to look over your shoulders?
- rolandog 2y ago
  Boy do I have some bad news for you: Automated Content Recognition [0, 1, 2]. If your Smart TV is connected to the Internet, it can also track what you're watching or doing, even if you're using it as an external monitor [3] (in Dutch). [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Automatic%20content%20reco&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41658828 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41658828 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41669765 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41669765 [3]: https://tweakers.net/nieuws/227186/samsung-automatische-contentherkenning-smart-tvs-werkt-ook-op-externe-schermen.html https://tweakers.net/nieuws/227186/samsung-automatische-cont...
  - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
    Why would it be connected to internet if used as external monitor? Just don't tell it the wi fi password.
    - rolandog 2y ago
      Sorry for the delay in my response. To answer your question directly: I'm pointing out unexpected privacy pitfalls of using a smart TV's full set of features (i.e. running apps and using it ... as a monitor). Although I agree with the point of your solution... I disagree with minimizing the danger of such anti-features. To elaborate, try thinking of your average reasonable person and think of their journey into learning how to preserve their privacy without losing access to the features of the services and products they have paid for. Without a massive effort it is ultimately an oxymoron. A reasonable person would expect that your (internet connected) smart TV would collect info to help them tailor future products based on their customer's usage (app usage frequency, standard or cable usage frequency, frequency of usage as external monitor). You would not expect to have to watch what you say in front of the such a device because they're literally listening to you [0] (in 2015, you needed to use the remote to use the voice detection service). Additionally, reasonable user's of smart TV's (and other IoT devices) might feel like they are no longer tracked with their uniquely identifiable information because they turned off "targeted advertising" (if the service allows for setting that option), but that only prevents their advertising ID from being tracked [1]. Moreover, a reasonable person might expect that using a DNS-based blocklist would be a sort of "revocation of consent" to being tracked, but tracking services are savvy when it comes to PII exfiltration [2]: > [...] We find that personally identifiable information (PII) is exfiltrated to platform-related Internet endpoints and third parties, and that blocklists are generally better at preventing exposure of PII to third parties than to platform-related endpoints. [...] Finally, there have also been studies that show a lack of transparency when it comes to GDPR requests about the data collected through Automatic Content Recognition (ACR) [3]. So, my point is that "just don't use your product for most of its intended use" might be a thought-terminating cliche that prevents us from taking a step forward in stopping the normalization of unreasonable privacy transgressions (PII exfiltration, audio spying by third-party service providers, monitoring of external devices' screens). [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188 [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20908128/smart-tv-surveillence-data-collection-home-roku-amazon-fire-princeton-study https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20908128/smart-tv-survei... [2]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.03447 https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.03447 [3]: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/electronic-electrical-engineering/news/2024/nov/study-highlights-privacy-risks-smart-tv-tracking https://www.ucl.ac.uk/electronic-electrical-engineering/news...
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All high end Samsung phones can do this as well (DEX).

by rjh29 2y ago

All high end Samsung phones can do this as well (DEX).

boomskats 2y ago

Not the ones that compete with the aforementioned Razr, unfortunately.

wkat4242 2y ago
The latest Z Fold6 can do DeX but its a bit hidden, not official.
- rjh29 2y ago
  The Fold4 switches to dex as soon as you connect a monitor. I wonder why they made it harder to use?
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Ooops. Sorry. I meant the Z Flip 6. Not the fold. The folds have always had fully supported DeX. The Flips did not have a DP-capable USB-C port until the Flip 5, and still did not support DeX due to thermals. But the Flip 6 has it with a developer option, but only the "new" DeX. Sorry for the confusion on my side. I thought of the Flip as the OP mentioned the Motorola Razr which is positioned against that, not the Fold.

jajko 2y ago

Can confirm, S22 ultra when plugged into Dell docking box (or whatever its called, not a typical docking station, it just connects with laptop via thick USB-C cable) works out of box, with mouse and keyboard. Firefox with ublock origin works very well for example. The only thing is it doesn't adjust automatically to native screen resolution (1600p in my case). But its still just an Android, even with full filesystem access it feels vastly subpar to normal desktop PC if I need more than just browsing or other android apps.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
I am thinking of using it as a remote desktop to connect to my home or server PC. Shouldn't be very CPU consuming.
wkat4242 2y ago
Yeah Firefox on DeX also lacks pc style tabs which Chrome does have. It's the only case where I really use chrome a lot.
- rjh29 2y ago
  Chrome even switches to tabs when you unfold the Fold phones, which is really nice.
jcul 2y ago
My dream was to be able to use VR glasses and something like Samsung dex for an ultra portable coding workstation. I bought a pair of Viture Pro glasses, but they were pretty unusable for coding for me. Maybe for watching videos would have been OK but not typing / needing to read all areas of the screen.

amelius 2y ago

How secure is it? Will Samsung or others be able to look over your shoulders?

rolandog 2y ago
Boy do I have some bad news for you: Automated Content Recognition [0, 1, 2]. If your Smart TV is connected to the Internet, it can also track what you're watching or doing, even if you're using it as an external monitor [3] (in Dutch). [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=Automatic%20content%20reco&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41658828 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41658828 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41669765 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41669765 [3]: https://tweakers.net/nieuws/227186/samsung-automatische-contentherkenning-smart-tvs-werkt-ook-op-externe-schermen.html https://tweakers.net/nieuws/227186/samsung-automatische-cont...
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
  Why would it be connected to internet if used as external monitor? Just don't tell it the wi fi password.
  - rolandog 2y ago
    Sorry for the delay in my response. To answer your question directly: I'm pointing out unexpected privacy pitfalls of using a smart TV's full set of features (i.e. running apps and using it ... as a monitor). Although I agree with the point of your solution... I disagree with minimizing the danger of such anti-features. To elaborate, try thinking of your average reasonable person and think of their journey into learning how to preserve their privacy without losing access to the features of the services and products they have paid for. Without a massive effort it is ultimately an oxymoron. A reasonable person would expect that your (internet connected) smart TV would collect info to help them tailor future products based on their customer's usage (app usage frequency, standard or cable usage frequency, frequency of usage as external monitor). You would not expect to have to watch what you say in front of the such a device because they're literally listening to you [0] (in 2015, you needed to use the remote to use the voice detection service). Additionally, reasonable user's of smart TV's (and other IoT devices) might feel like they are no longer tracked with their uniquely identifiable information because they turned off "targeted advertising" (if the service allows for setting that option), but that only prevents their advertising ID from being tracked [1]. Moreover, a reasonable person might expect that using a DNS-based blocklist would be a sort of "revocation of consent" to being tracked, but tracking services are savvy when it comes to PII exfiltration [2]: > [...] We find that personally identifiable information (PII) is exfiltrated to platform-related Internet endpoints and third parties, and that blocklists are generally better at preventing exposure of PII to third parties than to platform-related endpoints. [...] Finally, there have also been studies that show a lack of transparency when it comes to GDPR requests about the data collected through Automatic Content Recognition (ACR) [3]. So, my point is that "just don't use your product for most of its intended use" might be a thought-terminating cliche that prevents us from taking a step forward in stopping the normalization of unreasonable privacy transgressions (PII exfiltration, audio spying by third-party service providers, monitoring of external devices' screens). [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188 [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20908128/smart-tv-surveillence-data-collection-home-roku-amazon-fire-princeton-study https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20908128/smart-tv-survei... [2]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.03447 https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.03447 [3]: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/electronic-electrical-engineering/news/2024/nov/study-highlights-privacy-risks-smart-tv-tracking https://www.ucl.ac.uk/electronic-electrical-engineering/news...

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