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Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2
- HatchedLake721 2y agoSurface Studio introduction from 2017, still looks amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-VvFlwsWic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-VvFlwsWic
- karlgkk 2y agoHaving used one for about 18 months put me off the entire surface lineup. It sure was good looking though.
- StressedDev 2y agoWhat put you off?
- angelgonzales 2y agoI used the Microsoft Surface as my daily driver for years, the finish rubbed off in the first few uses and looked terrible, the screen broke as well. They do look beautiful and it was pretty fast.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoFor me? Windows. How can people be productive on an OS that doesn’t allow you to focus.
- gamblor956 2y agoHundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.
- sleepybrett 2y agodo they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.
- thorncorona 2y agoMost of the software world is on Windows.
- philwelch 2y agoMaybe if you count game development. And, if you’re generous, development environments that run inside a Linux VM hosted by Windows (WSL counts).
- emptiestplace 2y agoIt's really bad, though. Like ... objectively abysmal. No other popular platform is more dev-hostile. I think most folks are there because they lack choice or experience with alternatives.
- eitland 2y agoMac user here, and I think Mac really isn't far away from being worst. Between only now finally getting tiling[1], menus filled with items I haven't seen anyone use, and since WSL came on Windows it is now the absolutely most clumsy mainstream thing to install a standard tool. Oh, and shortcuts. I still use it because it is silent, has a good display, just works when I open it, has a battery that actually last all day and because IT departments don't know how to lock it down. [1]: although I cannot use it because then I would have to re-enable "spaces pr screen" which
- emptiestplace 2y agoHm. I spend most of my time in iTerm. MacOS is Unixy and cozy. WSL definitely is clumsy - actually, everything to do with containers in Windows is a pain in the ass to deal with. Run Windows in kvm, not the other way around. Have you tried Rectangle? It's not automatic, but I find it a reasonable compromise. Last I tried, Yabai et. al. were all pretty flaky compared to proper x11 twms.
- cam_l 2y agoEasy, I just spend a few minutes every morning disabling all the new notifications, and the forced full page Microsoft ads, resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update, write a quick powershell script to uninstall the new programs and features I never asked for, and then disable edge and omedrive again and I am ready for the day. Then I do it all again at lunch..
- spiderfarmer 2y agoAnd after all this when you finally get to work continually dismiss every window / popup notification that is somehow allowed to steal the focus from the window you’re working in.
- CoolCold 2y ago> resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update how to track those? I'm on the way of applying 24H2 update right now and laptop's uptime is 28 days, I may have many such settings changed, if I follow your idea correctly
- stevefan1999 2y agoI use Windows at home (with WSL), Hackintosh and by extension macOS at university, and Linux at my company (bare metal, not WSL) alternatively almost every day with Linux and Windows being the dominant one. In fact, Windows is my dev workstation, game battle station and media consumption all in one. And with WSL I can easily have the best of many worlds. So that why I'm the most productive on Windows. While it being a jack-of-all-trades may mean it is indeed a master of none, but it doesn't mean it is not capable of being productive. So, I'm very confused why you'd find Windows unproductive at all. And on the contrary, there is a lot of little bugs and stuffs in bare metal Linux that almost got me infuriated all the time and I tunnel visioned on fixing them...Bluetooth mysteriously doesn't work for one. Hyprland (and by extension Wayland) clipboard doesn't work with Vivaldi and VSCode under flakpak sandbox is another that I hate, plus RustDesk does not support Hyprland too...I use Fedora Silverblue btw, and distrobox let me a little bit off when I'm trying to setup podman when things didn't work as intended. While macOS...while it just works, well I don't appreciate the eye candy and people often claim to have the most productive on a Mac but to be honest I just don't see the appeal at all...but having every app "containerized" and using Zsh by default is nice tho
- freeqaz 2y agoIs Hackintosh even usable these days after the transition to ARM? I've been wondering if that will kill it or if the new Windows on ARM machines from Qualcomm will revive the market. Just feels like too much special magic in Apple's hardware. But who knows?
- stevefan1999 2y agoIf you don't want those "AI" features then Hackintosh is still pretty much alive until Sequoia Hackintosh is basically dead in ARM because they have custom ASIC and DSP chips and accelerators on package that does not present in Intel Macs. And emulating them is super inefficient at the moment.
- CoolCold 2y agoInteresting, mind giving couple of examples? For myself I cannot say I have problems with focusing by using Windows OS - it's my daily driver over the years.
- adolph 2y agoHard to believe Surface kicked off 16 short years ago https://youtu.be/Zxk_WywMTzc https://youtu.be/Zxk_WywMTzc
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoThat surface was unrelated to the tablets and computers that reused the name afterwards. Still, that was an awesome tech at the time, multi touch and multi user, I made some great demos for it.
- com2kid 2y agoI remember how proud I felt to work at Microsoft when that video was unveiled. The company had made something so beautiful, and then done an amazing job showing it to the world. An amazing marketing video in every way that counts, except apparently in regards to sales!
- sleepybrett 2y agothen they ignored the line, had to make a special build of windows 11 to run on it... I have no idea why they keep doing this shit with hardware over and over.
- sbrother 2y agoI bought one! It was a breathtaking piece of hardware that I wanted so badly to be useful. Unfortunately my work can't be done in Windows and it wasn't powerful enough to virtualize everything (the slow HDD was the worst) and I ended up selling it. But wow, what a form factor and gorgeous screen.
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- cma 2y agoMicrosoft has terrible pen technology for artists, still jittery slow lines years after it hurt the first Studio and other surface products.
- ksec 2y agoThis is sad consider they have been doing research on this for 15 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
- catach 2y agoIndicating that they could make it amazing if they wanted to, they just don't want to. Likely due to cost.
- cma 2y agoThey organized their entire product line around premium artist products for the adobe cloud type spending professionals and it just doesn't work for them. It was a crazy strategy. They're still putting out new surfaces that have the same fundamental problem and burning their brand. They came out before Apple Pencil and made almost no improvement to it since then. Even the old windows ink laptops from the early 2000s had better stylus support (Wacom).
- neya 2y agoMicrosoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI elements randomly, unpredictable updates that may kill entire industries and bring the world to a halt [1] are actually what is stopping people from adopting their hardware in my experience. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_CrowdStrike-related_IT_outages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_CrowdStrike-related_IT_ou...
- mhh__ 2y agoThat desktop grade processor is probably basically a pup compared to a modern Apple silicon processor. M4 / similar vs some poor Intel chip throttling at 2GHz?
- philwelch 2y ago> You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. Can you clarify this point? iPad Pro has an M4 processor, just like Mac desktops do.
- sleepybrett 2y agoimo ipad is held back by it's OS. Until they make significant changes it's a one app at a time box to keep you kid busy w/ movies or roblox. The multi app features they have added feel like a straight jacket. I'd like an option for a real pro ipad running macos instead of ios.
- philwelch 2y agoSure, but that’s beside the point; I’m addressing the “full blown desktop processor” claim. If you want a macOS device that runs the same M4 processor that’s in an iPad Pro, it looks like your options include virtually every macOS device.
- cosmic_cheese 2y agoUnfortunate that Microsoft never did much with this, because it’s a cool concept. That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago> That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot. Sure! What's the number to get this working?
- cosmic_cheese 2y agoYou mean the price? Minimum spec Mini and a Xencelabs Pen Display 24” (which comes with a VESA mounted pivot stand) gets you reasonably close and would cost $2500, where the Surface Studio 2 (as per the article) started at $3k. Screen size is a little less (24” vs 28”), but digitizer quality is better (on par with Wacom) as is pixel density. Setting it up is just plugging the display into the Mini with USB-C.
- not_your_vase 2y agoHaha, remember some time ago many people were like > Are you crazy, don't buy an iPod, just get an iRiver and use your imagination! > Use Gnome instead of OSX, it's *exactly* the same experience > "Mom, can we buy an iPad?" - We have an iPad at home (iPad at home is a Toshiba Handybook running Windows 98) How the turntables...
- 8note 2y agoawwww. ive been hoping for a 3 to replace my current book 2
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- Terretta 2y agoOh no! Now what will every near future executive, analyst, detective, spy, or content creator in "cool" TV series (that isn't using a Macbook) use on their desk? // And let's not even touch on (ahem) tablets: https://9to5mac.com/2014/11/05/microsoft-surface-cnn/ https://9to5mac.com/2014/11/05/microsoft-surface-cnn/