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Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"? Their rights are literally being stripped a

• DiscourseFan 2y ago
  I like that anger! Now that you can't postpone the inevitable, maybe you'll actually have to do something about it instead of wasting your time and energy whining about it.
  • DeliriousDog 2y ago
    This comment is disgusting. Voting is what they did about it, and they still have their rights at risk.
    • DiscourseFan 2y ago
      Turns out voting is not enough! Damn, if only those Black Panthers got out to vote, we would've fixed racism in America. Shame.
      • LunaSea 2y ago
        Maybe they should simply refuse to give up power like your candidate did the last time no?
        • tekknik 2y ago
          Because that’s what happened. We didn’t just finish a Biden presidency did we? The left can’t admit they’re continue not understanding voter IDs, it doesn’t mean we’re going to shut up until they’re implemented nationwide.
  • sofixa 2y ago
    I, thankfully, don't live in the US. I know women who do, and they're terrified. What do you want them to do, mount an armed insurrection? Murder Trump? Firebomb the Republican-majority Capitol?
    • DiscourseFan 2y ago
      What do you want them to do, have a panic attack and kill themselves? It seems that I have more hope in women's collective power than you do.
    • tekknik 2y ago
      um…you think it’s smart so say such things? i live in the US and i don’t see any terrified women. please stop speaking for our country thanks.
• gcau 2y ago
  Can you clarify what rights are being stripped away from women?
  • pavlov 2y ago
    It’s right there in the last paragraph of the comment you’re replying to.
  • quink 2y ago
    I mean take your pick: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/women-paid-price-trumps-regulatory-agenda/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/women-paid-price-tr... or just listen to his words... "I'm going to do it, whether the women like it or not".
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  • sofixa 2y ago
    I did in my comment already. Abortion restrictions are being implemented, which result in women being forced to carry feti which can be unviable (literally killing them), from rape or incest. Even if you don't believe women have the right to choose for themselves if they want to carry to term (I do, it's about bodily autonomy way before there's any other life in the consideration), this is egregious. Again, women are literally dying in hospitals because doctors don't want to save them out of fear of performing something which might be an abortion. This has happened in Poland, and in the US, and it will happen again. The Supreme Court, majority appointed by Trump and similarly minded individuals, has already questioned no fault divorces and interracial marriage too. Project 2025, sponsored by a big conservative think thank which is supporting Trump, and on whose support Trump relies (he has appointed lots of judges vetted by them, so to think they're not related is naive and delusional ), is against no fault divorces. Most divorces are initiated by women. Most victims of domestic violence are women. If that's not enough for you as stripping of rights, I don't know what will be. And I'm not a woman, nor American - I care because I'm capable of empathy, which seems to be a foreign concept to many Americans.
• c22 2y ago
  The idea that there are only two "opposing views" and we must choose one of them is kind of the entire issue here imho.
  • sofixa 2y ago
    That's what you get when you stick with a voting system that has been obsolete for a century.
    • c22 2y ago
      Well, this is why I've voted third party for every election I've ever participated in.
      • tekknik 2y ago
        That’s not going to work, but at least you’re sticking to your principles. We need to abolish political parties altogether. I’ve been trying to get traction on this for years with no luck.
        • will5421 2y ago
          Us third party voters need to work together for change to the voting system, no matter how different our politics might be from one another. In fact, us working together despite our different politics would underline our point: democracy is about everyone having their say, not about agreement.
          • tekknik 2y ago
            Im not entirely confident 3rd party will do anything of substance. I’m still in favor of banning all political parties but I am willing to concede I may be wrong.
• macspoofing 2y ago
  >Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"? Sure - but we're talking about pragmatic considerations. In hindsight, preservation or expansion of abortion rights was not enough to get men to turn out to vote for Harris in sufficient numbers to swing the election, so another kind of message should have been crafted for that voting block.
  • DoingIsLearning 2y ago
    > Sure - but we're talking about pragmatic considerations. In hindsight, preservation or expansion of abortion rights was not enough to get men to turn out to vote for Harris in sufficient numbers to swing the election, so another kind of message should have been crafted for that voting block. My stomach dropped when I heard a young men claim that Trump would be better because of his economic policies. To which I reply which ones? Followed by stumbling silence. This is a young university educated 25 year old men raised in a Social Democrat European developed nation, claiming that Donald Trump would serve American interest and a world economy the best. We are absolutely underestimating the effect of people's world view being shaped by information wars on social media. Adam Curtis 'Hypernormalisation' now feels like a Nostradamus level prediction of the decades to come.
    • tekknik 2y ago
      Crazy idea, if you’re confused and can’t figure out why the brain washing didn’t hold then maybe they’re seeing something you don’t? Maybe you’re wrong?
      • DoingIsLearning 2y ago
        Not confused. Perhaps impressed, surprised, worried. Surkov will be proud I guess.
        • tekknik 2y ago
          Yea look more into the Russian disnfo BS. The campaign has been running likely since before you were born and the intent is to destabilize the country not pick a particular candidate. If you pay attention to the flip flopping from them you’d notice the same.
• kypro 2y ago
  > abortion restrictions have resulted in women dying of preventable reasons because doctors are afraid to do anything which might be interpreted as an abortion, even if the pregnant woman is dying in front of them from sepsis due to an unviable pregnancy; add in the threat of removing non-fault divorces, and it's genuinely scary I'm pro-choice, but this idea that pro-life opinions are not equally popular with women is just wrong and not support by polling on the subject. I'm more pro-choice than my GF.
• miningape 2y ago
  The myopia here is crazy. As though the dems and their candidates aren't equally bad - except all of their actions are against young men rather than women. Also what rights are on the line here exactly? Free speech? no, thats what the dems have been attacking. Suffrage? Nope no one is trying to remove this. Even if you want to say "Roe v Wade": it's not a right to get an abortion, and its not even banned just not regulated at a federal level.
• konart 2y ago
  >For literally anyone sane, any of those reasons individually would be totally disqualifying in a candidate Sorry, but this is not how it works. People have fear, prejudice and many other things that worry them. Their fear may or may not be baseless but it is there and if you are sane and more or less logical you have to take it into account. When people fear or do not understand something they tend to turn to someone who offers them a solution. Some times it's a doctor, some times it's a drug dealer. Why? Well, many reasons (I'll excuse myself and won't start listing those because you can write a few books about each of them) You want people to stop turning to mafia\drug dealers or some kind of charlatans for help? You have to do something about their fears. This is sane and logical and any therapist will tell you something similar. Yes, it might be hard to accept, but it is quite possible you have to fix this shit to be able to fix the "their rights are literally being stripped away" part. edit: misprints
• wvh 2y ago
  Most men care. We have wives, mothers, daughters, friends. But it becomes very hard to vote for a party (mind you, I'm not American, but this is showing up everywhere) that airs too many radical sentiments that men are shit and useless. You lose your support. You can't build a majority that way. Keep the sensible people in the middle in the loop.
  • ethagnawl 2y ago
    > ... that airs too many radical sentiments that men are shit and useless. Are some people on TikTok saying things like this? Sure. Was this part of the campaign's messaging or the party's platform? No. Not in the least.
    • wvh 2y ago
      If the average "CIS white male" feels this way and is checking out, you've got a problem, whether you're the cause or not. It's perception more so than truth that's costing "the left" the elections. If people are rather loudly letting you know they feel left out, you'd better come up with a strategy that somehow resonates with them, rather than saying "we never said that" and continue to lose their vote. Whether you think that's justified or not is not really relevant, not if you want to win, at least. The same thing goes the other way 'round, if the democrats would win because too many women would have felt left out from the Republican party stance, something I can easily understand too.
      • sofixa 2y ago
        > the average "CIS white male" feels this way and is checking out, you've got a problem, whether you're the cause or not. It's perception more so than truth that's costing "the left" the elections. Yes, you have a problem, and it's called disinformation. > If people are rather loudly letting you know they feel left out, you'd better come up with a strategy that somehow resonates with them, rather than saying "we never said that" and continue to lose their vote. Whether you think that's justified or not is not really relevant, not if you want to win, at least. This is some ludicrous reasoning. What do you want them to do other than say "we literally never said that"? How exactly do you picture them campaigning against strawmen and imagined threats? If people are too dumb to realise they're being lied too, that's really unfortunate, but you can't fix stupid. Ultimately that's why populist politicians with empty words are on the rise. You really cannot fix stupid.
• activitypea 2y ago
  > Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"? consider and understand =/= agree and support. Regardless of the Harris' or Dems' views, you win elections by getting votes. If we assume everyone who voted for Trump is a sexist asshole, then Harris was running for president in a country where half the electorate are sexist assholes. If you're not gonna extend empathy and try to build bridges with them, then there's no point in running.
• tekknik 2y ago
  > convicted rapist nope, misinformation (which why? it’s his last term..). he was NOT convicted of rape and instead of a LESSER crime called sexual abuse.
• latentcall 2y ago
  Him being a rapist and pedophile should be enough for men not to endorse him. They’ll put “shoot your local pedophile” decals on their trucks then go and vote for a notorious pedophile. Therefore supporting pedophilia. It’s such a weird cognitive dissonance thing I can’t wrap my head around. Implicitly or explicitly supporting a pedophile is a no go for me one and done.