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You're on to something. I think Scott Galloway got it right in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmz

by audunw 2y ago

You're on to something. I think Scott Galloway got it right in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM The Democratic party has a problem communicating to young white men why they should vote democrat. The party doesn't speak to them at all. I don't think there's much wrong with the policies. It could perhaps use some more policies targeting men's rights. But it's mostly a communication problem. Young men don't feel seen by the democratic party, and the democrats need to realize this and fix it for the next election.

127 2y ago
Looking from afar, the dominating far left elements of the DNC have been actively hostile to unmarried white men, and completely disconnected from young men (who don't fit into a very narrow mold of acceptability) in general.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  The sad thing is that there isn't anything "left" in that "far left". It's just misandry without the socialism.
  - orwin 2y ago
    The sad thing is calling anything in the Democrat party 'left'. Historically, right means pro-power, pro status quo, and left pro reform and pro-distribution of power. At first it was political, then it was more generalized (far right is getting back to full monarchy/empire/whatever, basically going back in time). Do the Democrat seems left to you?
- threeseed 2y ago
  > actively hostile to unmarried white men Feel free to name these policies you think are specifically hostile to white men.
  - siffin 2y ago
    You'll be waiting a long while, unmarried white women are too busy having their body autonomy taken away. Poor men.
  - slightwinder 2y ago
    White men were the peak of society. Every policy, improvising the rights of all other people, especially women, is chipping away from their Throne. Naturally, some will see this as a threat and a loss, especially when you are regularly feed with misinformation. That society as a whole is becoming better, doesn't help the groups who are losing from it. And this is showing for a while now.
    - theandrewbailey 2y ago
      > White men were the peak of society. Most white men are not at the peak of society. When they are told how good they have it, they think about how their paycheck barely/doesn't cover their needs, or the needs of his family. They think about how long their car will last before breaking down. They think about the amount of crime in their neighborhood. And then they are told that this is the good life? And they discover that the government is giving people who just got here handouts (which is made from their taxes, money that could have improved their own lives)? They won't stand for it.
      - slightwinder 2y ago
        > Most white men are not at the peak of society. Today. This was different 60 years ago. This is different today in more conservative countries. At least that is the perception of those people. > When they are told how good they have it, they think about how their paycheck barely/doesn't cover their needs, or the needs of his family. They think about how long their car will last before breaking down. Everyone has those problems, it's not limited to men or white people. > And they discover that the government is giving people who just got here handouts And here we have the prime example of manipulation. The reason why all those young men fall to this delusion.
matwood 2y ago
Galloway has been harping on this for awhile. Check the Democrats website and it lists who they are for. All groups are there including women, but nothing about men or young men. I heard a blurb on the news last night that college aged men broke heavily towards Trump.
threeseed 2y ago
It actually mirrors what is happening in South Korea. Women are becoming more liberal as they push for equality and bodily autonomy. Men are becoming more conservative because they feel that women's rights are coming at the expense of theirs and that no one is addressing their concerns. And so there is a large cultural and political divide. Which then has all sorts of side effects e.g. men becoming more 'incel' in their behaviour because women aren't interested in dating them, birth rate dropping because woman don't want to be stay at home moms etc.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  What's missing is that men in South Korea are expected to spend 2 to 3 years of their life in the army. This was a reasonable tradeoff when women would spend as much time being pregnant - I risk my life to protect you, you risk yours to give me something to protect. At this point with how quickly South Korea is falling apart socially the young men may well welcome an invasion by the North since they have nothing to fight for - what happens if we have a war and we don't show up?
  - threeseed 2y ago
    That is a horrific and dystopian trade-off. Pretty sure most women would just prefer to fight than be forced to carry a pregnancy.
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - DiscourseFan 2y ago
      With the way things are going population wise, it doesn’t look like they’ll have much of a choice
  - theandrewbailey 2y ago
    So many people forget that men are expected to fight wars or register to be drafted on the sole basis of being born male. Many are circumcised for the same reason (born male). Where is our bodily autonomy? Where is our choice?
davedx 2y ago
When she deliberately chose not to go on Joe Rogan was where I started to seriously doubt her chances. It was all Beyonce, Michelle Obama and Taylor Swift. You can say everything you want about Rogan, but I still really, really wish she'd done one interview with him.
- ks2048 2y ago
  There will be a lot of second-guessing for what she should have done. The fact is they need to nominate candidates who would do well in such a situation and it's not clear that she would have. I think Walz would have done well on Rogan, not sure he didn't do it.

by audunw 2y ago

127 2y ago

Looking from afar, the dominating far left elements of the DNC have been actively hostile to unmarried white men, and completely disconnected from young men (who don't fit into a very narrow mold of acceptability) in general.

guerrilla 2y ago
The sad thing is that there isn't anything "left" in that "far left". It's just misandry without the socialism.
- orwin 2y ago
  The sad thing is calling anything in the Democrat party 'left'. Historically, right means pro-power, pro status quo, and left pro reform and pro-distribution of power. At first it was political, then it was more generalized (far right is getting back to full monarchy/empire/whatever, basically going back in time). Do the Democrat seems left to you?
threeseed 2y ago
> actively hostile to unmarried white men Feel free to name these policies you think are specifically hostile to white men.
- siffin 2y ago
  You'll be waiting a long while, unmarried white women are too busy having their body autonomy taken away. Poor men.
- slightwinder 2y ago
  White men were the peak of society. Every policy, improvising the rights of all other people, especially women, is chipping away from their Throne. Naturally, some will see this as a threat and a loss, especially when you are regularly feed with misinformation. That society as a whole is becoming better, doesn't help the groups who are losing from it. And this is showing for a while now.
  - theandrewbailey 2y ago
    > White men were the peak of society. Most white men are not at the peak of society. When they are told how good they have it, they think about how their paycheck barely/doesn't cover their needs, or the needs of his family. They think about how long their car will last before breaking down. They think about the amount of crime in their neighborhood. And then they are told that this is the good life? And they discover that the government is giving people who just got here handouts (which is made from their taxes, money that could have improved their own lives)? They won't stand for it.
    - slightwinder 2y ago
      > Most white men are not at the peak of society. Today. This was different 60 years ago. This is different today in more conservative countries. At least that is the perception of those people. > When they are told how good they have it, they think about how their paycheck barely/doesn't cover their needs, or the needs of his family. They think about how long their car will last before breaking down. Everyone has those problems, it's not limited to men or white people. > And they discover that the government is giving people who just got here handouts And here we have the prime example of manipulation. The reason why all those young men fall to this delusion.

matwood 2y ago

Galloway has been harping on this for awhile. Check the Democrats website and it lists who they are for. All groups are there including women, but nothing about men or young men. I heard a blurb on the news last night that college aged men broke heavily towards Trump.

threeseed 2y ago

It actually mirrors what is happening in South Korea. Women are becoming more liberal as they push for equality and bodily autonomy. Men are becoming more conservative because they feel that women's rights are coming at the expense of theirs and that no one is addressing their concerns. And so there is a large cultural and political divide. Which then has all sorts of side effects e.g. men becoming more 'incel' in their behaviour because women aren't interested in dating them, birth rate dropping because woman don't want to be stay at home moms etc.

llm_trw 2y ago
What's missing is that men in South Korea are expected to spend 2 to 3 years of their life in the army. This was a reasonable tradeoff when women would spend as much time being pregnant - I risk my life to protect you, you risk yours to give me something to protect. At this point with how quickly South Korea is falling apart socially the young men may well welcome an invasion by the North since they have nothing to fight for - what happens if we have a war and we don't show up?
- threeseed 2y ago
  That is a horrific and dystopian trade-off. Pretty sure most women would just prefer to fight than be forced to carry a pregnancy.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    With the way things are going population wise, it doesn’t look like they’ll have much of a choice
- theandrewbailey 2y ago
  So many people forget that men are expected to fight wars or register to be drafted on the sole basis of being born male. Many are circumcised for the same reason (born male). Where is our bodily autonomy? Where is our choice?

davedx 2y ago

When she deliberately chose not to go on Joe Rogan was where I started to seriously doubt her chances. It was all Beyonce, Michelle Obama and Taylor Swift. You can say everything you want about Rogan, but I still really, really wish she'd done one interview with him.

ks2048 2y ago
There will be a lot of second-guessing for what she should have done. The fact is they need to nominate candidates who would do well in such a situation and it's not clear that she would have. I think Walz would have done well on Rogan, not sure he didn't do it.