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U.S. chip revival plan chooses sites
- johnea 2y ago[flagged]
- b3ing 2y agoThe same thing will happen to software development and India
- gosub100 2y agonot the same thing. in that case they are bringing India to the US, with trillion-dollar companies claiming "we just can't find enough qualified applicants!", meanwhile I'm working for the same salary I earned in 2012.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoDid companies outsource due to greed or did US consumers select for price forcing them to outsource to compete? Or both?
- standardUser 2y agoTrade policy was set entirely by the elites, not consumers.
- FactKnower69 2y agohilarious that someone downvoted this; I guess it's squarely our fault after all for not exclusively buying from the Made In America computer chips aisle at Best Buy :(
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoOkay, so did the elites "choose" that trade policy out of greed or because consumers were selecting for price? Trade policy also doesn't force anyone to outsource.
- Sabinus 2y agoThe elites choose that trade policy because it is efficient (specialisation), and because the prevailing wisdom since WW2 is if you trade with someone you don't war with them, so US heavily encouraged global trade.
- FactKnower69 2y ago>The elites choose that trade policy because it is efficient (specialisation) Idealist nonsense, offshoring of manufacturing capacity from highly developed countries with large union penetration to countries with lower labor costs and more lax worker protections has literally nothing to do with comparative advantage and everything to do with enabling ever more brutal exploitation of labor and higher profit margins
- klooney 2y agoAfter WWII, it was imperative that the US support free trade, especially if it meant taking a loss- all of their allies had had their industrial bases bombed out. Pressing the advantage forever would have been churlish, shortsighted, and disastrous for anti-Communism. So we have this very necessary, but outdated, free trade at all costs intellectual superstructure that we're still stuck in. Probably in another 20 years we'll be out of that, when the last of the old guard retires.
- standardUser 2y agoConsumers always want to pay less are you dense?
- glial 2y agoIntel's gross profit margins have been over 50% for most of the past 15 years[1]. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/profit-margins https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/profit-...
- fny 2y agoDid the neoliberal lobby block “protectionist” legislation? Did income inequality balloon in the US while Chinese wages exploded?
- standardUser 2y agoI don't know why you are asking questions instead of making statements, but yes and yes.
- throw0101a 2y agoWell the revival may be halted depending on the election: > The US CHIPS and Science Act's future may depend on the outcome of Tuesday's Presidential Election after House Speaker Mike Johnson suggested the GOP would likely move to repeal the $280 billion funding bill if the party wins a majority in Congress. * https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/04/chips_act_repeal/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/04/chips_act_repeal/ but a little while later: > Johnson, who voted against the legislation, later said in a statement that the CHIPS Act, which poured $54 billion into the semiconductor manufacturing industry, “is not on the agenda for repeal.” * https://apnews.com/article/mike-johnson-chips-act-d5504f76d3aa0d5b401216f3592c9a09 https://apnews.com/article/mike-johnson-chips-act-d5504f76d3... so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- GenerocUsername 2y agoPartisan scare tactics? Which outcome would result in loss? Wasn't it Trump who popularized the pullback of Chip manufacturing to the US for security ad prosperity reasons.
- standardUser 2y agoTrump's tariffs were aimed at a lot of goods, but not chips. The push and subsequent law to get chip manufacturing back into the US was entirely a Biden project.
- throw0101d 2y ago> Wasn't it Trump who popularized the pullback of Chip manufacturing to the US for security ad prosperity reasons. And how's that Foxconn factory going? * https://www.reuters.com/business/foxconn-sharply-scales-back-wisconsin-investment-2021-04-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/foxconn-sharply-scales-back...
- bitsage 2y agoIn the end they created jobs and invested money, but both were less than expected. The subsidies were also contingent on performance, and negotiated down, so Foxconn didn’t the original amount. This also seems like purely a deal between the state and Foxconn, so it’s interesting it became so prominent, as if it were contingent on control of the White House. https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2023/03/23/what-we-know-about-foxconn-in-wisconsin-and-how-we-got-there/70037738007/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2023/03/23/wha...
- jonnycomputer 2y agoRebuilding our microchip manufacturing base is critical part of US national defense. Why in the world would Donald Trump and Speaker Mike Johnson want to repeal the CHIPS act? https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-on-earth-does-trump-want-to-cancel https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-on-earth-does-trump-want-t...
- jonnycomputer 2y agoChina has a history of buying out its critics, and I do not doubt for a second that Donald Trump is for sale (notice how he changed his tune on TikTok?)
- kernal 2y ago[flagged]
- wavefunction 2y agoHe changed his tune on electric vehicles after Musk started backing him.
- t-3 2y agoThere's been many complaints about DEI requirements in the CHIPS Act. Given that DEI is a favorite right-wing talking point, amendment or repeal+replace might be likely, but I doubt it would be scrapped altogether.
- cjbgkagh 2y ago[flagged]
- jerlam 2y agoIt's associated with a member of the opposing party, so it must be opposed. Especially since it has a chance to be successful. Similar situation with the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) - it was opposed not on its merits, but because it was from the opposing side.
- supportengineer 2y ago[flagged]
- jcrash 2y agoThe locations of the two sites— .... Sunnyvale, Calif., .... Albany, N.Y. ...... The location of the third planned center ..... is still a matter of speculation. Why would you add a 'saved you a click' comment and then literally post BS?
- chiph 2y agoWolfspeed is building a fab in North Carolina that will make SiC based chips. They are receiving $750 million from the CHIPS and Science Act and will likely receive another $1 billion in tax credits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act SiC transistors and diodes are used in high power applications like locomotives, EV chargers and industrial motor controls. In their catalog they have a half-bridge power module rated for 1200V and 760A, which to me is amazing that a semiconductor can handle that much. https://www.wolfspeed.com/products/power/sic-power-modules/hm-power-module-family/cab760m12hm3/ https://www.wolfspeed.com/products/power/sic-power-modules/h...
- dylan604 2y ago> which to me is amazing that a semiconductor can handle that much. i'm also equally amazed at how much <5v can accomplish. 3.3v is common, but I also think back to the old NTSC video signal was 1v peak-to-peak. Of course, that was just the signal and not the voltage driving the CRT, but still impressive. I've done my own hobby electronics ala Arduino type stuff, and detecting voltage drops in analog of <1v can be challenging to do accurately.
- rcxdude 2y agoThe drive voltage of a modern desktop or server CPU is about 1V. Which means there's up to 300-400A flowing through through the motherboard and the pin sockets from the VRM to the CPU. Pretty crazy numbers! (1V drop, though should be easy to measure. A badly noisy ADC would be at about 10mV. High-precision in analog starts at 10s of uV)
- kragen 2y agoBasically any electroplating tank uses <5V, no matter how large it is. So are basically all line-level audio and most dynamic speaker drive signals: 5V at 4Ω is 6 watts, which is a fairly loud speaker. Detecting 1-volt voltage drops is not at all difficult; that's enough to turn on any BJT, and any random opamp can measure voltage differences down to millivolts, often nanovolts. https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/AS321.pdf https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/AS321.pdf is a 50¢ random opamp, the one Digi-Key has the most in stock of at the moment; its offset voltage is specified as 5 millivolts max, but of course it can measure much smaller voltages than that if you null out the offset with a trimpot, or if you just don't care about it. This is not Arduino's strong point, but it doesn't have any difficulty with that task either. The ADC in the ATMega328P used in most Arduinos has a resolution of about a millivolt when referenced to its internal bandgap https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/Atmel-7810-Automotive-Microcontrollers-ATmega328P_Datasheet.pdf https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/Atmel-7810-..., and it also has an analog comparator with a maximum offset voltage specified as 40 millivolts. And any random cheap-shit multimeter can measure down to a millivolt or so. And, from the discussion above about audio line levels, it should be obvious that just about any dynamic speaker, and most headphones, can easily make millivolt-level signals audible. Maybe you meant "detecting voltage drops in analog of <1 microvolt can be challenging".
- patricklovesoj 2y agoSo they spent $13B + existing $25B in Albany = $38B For scale comparison I checked TSMC and they will spend ~$35B in R&D and capex in 2024 and it will only grow.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoIt seems that the world is dividing into two camps- the ones who want to hunker down and bunker down into mini-empires, shunning globalisation. Expecting great rewards, by turning economics into trapdoor functions with loads of export and zero imports and tarifs as shield. And the others, who don't want - because they can't. For some globalisation is a navel, a lifeline without which there countries economies would wither and die. The exact same layout pre-WW2.
- Maxion 2y agoThe writing is starting to become quite stark on the wall, soon the only ones who don't see it are the ones intentionally turning their head away.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoI’m just stupid, what’s on the wall?
- ForHackernews 2y agoArguably the next world war. The vibes are very 1913.
- Maxion 2y agoNot necessarily a new world war, though the probabilities of that is definitely increasing. This will be a big shift in power, and become a more inward focus globally. If Trump starts more trade wars, we will all be worse off.
- johnisgood 2y agoDid Biden start or continue any? The fueling of war in Ukraine and Middle East (Israel vs other countries) is already as bad as it gets.
- neves 2y agoAre them swing states?