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Crokinole
- smeagollover 2y agopool for children?
- anamexis 2y agoDefinitely not just for children! It's a really fun game for everyone, and it's a lot easier to have a crokinole board around the house than a pool table.
- sleepybrett 2y agoAfter building my own.. not much ;) big enough to be annoying to store (doesn't quite fit under the couch or in many tiny closets. A lot of them have hardware sunk into the bottom/back of the board for wall hanging. But yes, super fun. See the youtube video I posted elsewhere in the thread for a pretty great 'review' of this game which dates back to at least 1867.
- dang 2y agoMore like shuffleboard. It's great for children (I grew up playing it), and is fun for children and adults to play together.
- yabones 2y agoFar from it. This is the game that turns your calm book-and-armchair grandpa into a wild competitive lunatic. It turns your sweet auntie into a table-flipping animal. It's up there with Euchre for turning old people into unhinged gamers, and I absolutely love it for that.
- shimon 2y agoI'm particularly impressed by your choice of "up there with Euchre" as a metaphor to explain Crokinole. It's like you wanted to make it relatable for people in a larger geographic region, but only a little larger.
- srameshc 2y agoGrowing up we called it Carrom board, which is square board with 4 pockets in the corners. I never knew there was an American version of it as Crokinole board.
- sleepybrett 2y agoCanadian. I haven't played Carrom, but it's my understanding it's Indian in origin and plays a bit more like a billiards variant, even going so far as to use tiny pool cues.
- pixelatedindex 2y agoI haven’t played in a while but as long as I remember, there aren’t any pool cues but there are varying (house) rules on how/where the disc can be flicked
- dagw 2y agoI think there are few different variants of this game. I played the version with the tiny pool cues as a kid, but we called it Couronne. Looking at images online it seems the main difference between Carrom and Couronne is that in Couronne you hit the pieces with a cue and that the pockets are much bigger than in Carrom.
- darreninthenet 2y agoCrokinole is Canadian
- almostdeadguy 2y agoDifferent game, but Carrom is supposed to be great as well. I haven't played it but many of the folks I follow on BGG prefer it to Crokinole.
- rendx 2y agoI played both and own a Crokinole board, but strongly prefer Carrom. It's similar but still quite different.
- titanomachy 2y ago> In non-competitive, less plamigerent settings, their skills really shine “Plamigerent” isn’t a word, and I can’t find any English words similar to it. It seems an unlikely typo. I wonder if the author included it to catch LLMs plagiarizing his work.
- mike_ivanov 2y agoLexical watermarking! If that's the case (and if this idea sticks), I'm wondering how far it could go. One could imagine a (dystopian?) world where everybody speaks they own highly individualized, maybe even copyrighted language, and where interpersonal communications happen via AI translators.
- collingreen 2y ago:( is this our generations version of cyberpunk theme?
- peeters 2y agoThat would be an interesting contrast to 1984's dystopian Newspeak, which aimed to eliminate all individuality in language.
- mike_ivanov 2y agoThat would be its dialectical counterpart
- voidUpdate 2y agoThis used to be a thing in dictionaries. My favourite word is "Esquivalience", which was defined in the New Oxford American Dictionary as "The wilful avoidance of ones official responsibilities". Prior to that, the word didn't exist, and it was used to catch people just copying the words from their dictionary. Very similar to paper towns on maps
- russsamora 2y agoyou found it! i suppose i owe you a prize... it was initially a test to see how closely people read, but was also curious about LLMs.
- julianeon 2y agoThis seems like a great social game. I like how it's very tactile yet looks like it could be taught, or learned, in a few short minutes.
- eliasson 2y agoIt is. Every now and then when we have guests at home we bring out the board and it is an immediate success. Age does not seem to matter, I have played with people between 10 to 80 years old everyone gets the mechanics within a few minutes. Highly recommended!
- AlwaysRock 2y agoIntroducing it to new folks and then watching them sink their first 20 is so awesome.
- adamgordonbell 2y agoPlayed in basement at grandmas house as a kid, in Southerner Ontario. I've never seen it spelt before. As a kid, it was said like: Crow-ken-no
- sgt 2y agoThat makes sense. Crow-ken-no is kinda like Crokeno without the -le.
- sleepybrett 2y agoShut Up and Sit Down, popular quirky boardgame review site/channel, did a review of the game, you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg It goes over some mostly made up history and covers the rules and why the game is so addictive. Also talks about some games that are similar from different parts of the world like Carrom. I built myself a bigass hard to store circle after seeing the SUSD review and it's quite popular with the nieces and nephews and their cousins.. and the parents and grandparents around the holidays... and popular with my friends when we're a little tipsy and hanging out.
- dicytea 2y agoFor those frustrated with the game not working, it looks like that the canvas rendering the disc can block the "Place disc" button, depending on your initial window size. To fix this, use your browser's device simulator (Ctrl+Shift+I -> Ctrl+Shift+M on Chrome, Ctrl+Shift+M on Firefox) to narrow the window's width, then refresh the page.
- prmoustache 2y agoThanks, I struggled for a while understanding why I couldn't do anything.
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- graypegg 2y agoMy grandparents had a crokinole board! I'd say it's definitely a known game among older generations around southern ontario, but much less common with younger folk. It's really fun though, and families that do play it can get really competitive about it.
- transcriptase 2y agoIt’s popular in Atlantic Canada too, especially when the weather prohibits washer toss! https://www.mynslc.com/en/Discover/Whats-the-Occasion/Happy-Victoria-Day/Challenge-your-friends-to-some-washer-toss https://www.mynslc.com/en/Discover/Whats-the-Occasion/Happy-...
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- legitster 2y agoCrokinole exploded in the board game community a few years ago. I got a lovely hand made board from Canada. It's a purely tactile experience - the way the disks crack when they hit each other, the bounciness of the pegs, getting that perfect shot between two sets of pegs, swinging used disks around on the ring at the end of the round - it's a very satisfying toy. You'd be right to think of it as another version of shuffleboard or curling, but the game can live on a small table and you can crank away games from the comfort of a chair with a beer.
- vundercind 2y agoOn the board gaming website, Board Game Geek, It sits in the 47th overall rank by ratings (this is very high, even quite good games are often well south of 1,000 in the overall ranks) and fifth in the family games category. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/521/crokinole https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/521/crokinole I’d have had a board years ago if not for worrying it’d become another huge rarely-used thing to store or dispose of, after perhaps a year of good fun with it. Still haven’t played.
- binarymax 2y agoEh, chess is ranked #453, go #219 and backgammon #1545. The highest ranking game is "Brass: Birmingham" which I have never heard of - so I don't know what to make of these rankings.
- jefftk 2y agoThey're not ranking games on whether you've heard of them, but on how fun the BGG community finds them to play. Monopoly is rated #27,258.
- binarymax 2y agoI certainly understand that. But again I don't know what to make of the rankings. Yes, I know this is a niche community and yes I know there are more games than these classics...but comparison on Crokinole being #47 among thousands of games in the community is difficult to interpret for someone who hasn't played hundreds of different board games.
- pjot 2y agoWhen I was a kid my neighbors (who were from Ontario) taught me this game - we played all the time! It’s been over 20 years since and every few I try and recall what “that game” was. So glad to have seen this!
- yifanl 2y agoFor interested woodworkers, here's a nice post-mortem of someone's attempt at making a Crokinole board: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/731671/postmortem-on-the-hilinski-method-of-making-crokin https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/731671/postmortem-on-the-hi... (Complete with creating a set of jigs from scratch) Really shows how much has gone into a silly flicking game you play at the pub.
- fanatic2pope 2y agoIt looks like those instructions are from 2011. CNC machines are pretty common these days and could help simplify it quite a bit. For example: https://hub.shapertools.com/creators/5cfea3909fc9260017675dce/shares/5e41d90bce53b3000f116e7f https://hub.shapertools.com/creators/5cfea3909fc9260017675dc...
- sleepybrett 2y agorouting or skill sawing a circle is not rocket science that requires the use of a cnc router thingie.
- msoucy 2y agoI, as a fledgling woodworker, was able to make my own board with some guidance from a friend. It's definitely a rewarding and educational project! Plus it makes a nice wall decoration when not in use. I used Purple Heart wood for the edges, which looks gorgeous but was difficult to work with. It took a few days of 3-4 hour blocks, due to a busy schedule, so a more experienced woodworker should be able to do one pretty easily.
- sandymcmurray 2y agoAnd now you need to know about Crokicurl, a mash-up of Crokinole and curling! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/crokicurl-curling-crokinole-game-forks-winnipeg-1.3953013 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/crokicurl-curling-cr...
- blast 2y agoCurlinole would be easier to say...
- codenberg 2y agohttps://www.youtube.com/@TraceyBoards/videos https://www.youtube.com/@TraceyBoards/videos
- idunnoman1222 2y agoIf you do play crokinol and have never used Gliss powder I suggest you try it, though it is a bit messy
- hawski 2y agoI watched it two or three times before I understood I was watching a 30 second loop, only because I was getting impatient and showed all controls in the browser. Amazing feat of repeatability, but also nerve control. One mistake and you are losing it. Even if it looked less fun than later videos.
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- Notorious_BLT 2y agoGot a board a year ago and love it, a friend tried it once and bought a board too. I'm tempted to get one delivered to my parents and in-laws, so we can all play when I go out to visit. It's so simple to teach, and yet there's a ton of room for improving simply by playing. Any time we have people over, the board eventually comes down off the wall, and the first-timers get a quick lesson.
- sergiotapia 2y agofeels like I could crush it in this game, i grew up playing lots of canicas as a kid in Bolivia :)
- mlhpdx 2y agoI played this game as a kid at the local grange hall. I don’t recall how it came to be a part of the local scene back then, but I’ve recalled it fondly over the years.
- amelius 2y agoIs this an air table?
- ZeWaka 2y agoNo, it's basically covered in extremely small sand particles that make the pucks glide - like table shuffleboard.
- pahool 2y agoOften in tabletop crokinole play, the "sand" isn't even used. Modern boards are often slick enough to get away with playing without it, and if it's a board that you roll out regularly, you may not want the cleanup overhead associated with using shuffleboard "sand." Also note that you'd never use actual sand on a crokinole board or tabletop shuffleboard. Sand, wax, or powder is what the shuffleboard products are referred to as and are made of specially formulated silicone beads (much less abrasive than, say, beach sand) or cornmeal, or even sometimes ground walnut shells.
- sleepybrett 2y agoyou don't use those shuffleboard wax beads, you use 'gliss powder' which is often boric acid powder, or like even tinier, microbeads. the stuff the use on those shffleboards you find in pubs is much to corse. https://www.maydaygames.com/products/crokinole-premium-gliss-powder-100-grams https://www.maydaygames.com/products/crokinole-premium-gliss...
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoNot sand. It's a powder. I don't actually know what my family uses now that I think of it... Like a baby powder or something.
- gpm 2y agoHuh, we (family, extremely casually) just played on the bare wood...
- ZeWaka 2y agoThey've had this at PAX (East & West) the past years, it's been a ton of fun playing it and getting better.
- ink_13 2y agoI remember the first year they introduced it, as a final in the Omegathon. It was really tense!
- losvedir 2y agoLearned about it at PAX East this year. Was the sleeper hit of the event for me and a couple of my friends! It was right there next to Klask, which is another kind of interesting tactile game, though I preferred Crokinole.
- charlietran 2y agoI love IRL Crokinole so much that I made a single-player tower-defense-ish version of it for the browser: https://games.charlietran.com/crokunolu/ https://games.charlietran.com/crokunolu/ Made it with the Crisp game library which I highly recommend for quickly making charming little 2D games: https://github.com/abagames/crisp-game-lib https://github.com/abagames/crisp-game-lib
- ddek 2y agoNice game, works great on mobile
- sgt 2y agoLove it!
- gagik_co 2y agoThis is super fun; easy to get into and really nice that it has proper mobile support, great stuff!
- SyrupThinker 2y agoVery fun. Unfortunately there is a way to, in my opinion, cheese it. I made it to 2485 on my second attempt. Reversed to avoid spoiling the game: .gard ot reyalp eht gnicrof yb devlos eb dluoc siht ebyaM .kcab ot kcab tsrub eht reggirt ylbailer ot mhtyhr a ni taht od ot eunitnoc tsuj nac uoy ,kcilc ot ecalp thgir eht dnif uoy fI
- charlietran 2y agoThat's great feedback, thank you. I built a rudimentary control scheme on top of the minimal Crisp library and will take a look into doing a little more with it.
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- kookamamie 2y agoCheesed the game, this person has.
- zknow 2y agoso cool to see this on here, I'm from rural southern Ontario and I feel like I always have to explain it to anyone from the city or 'not from these parts'
- tantalor 2y agoA matchup not unlike ... Swift vs. Eilish What does that even mean.
- reducesuffering 2y agoTaylor Swift and Billie Eilish are very big pop stars. It's trying to make a comparison like a battle of the "greats"
- renewiltord 2y agoThis seems like a fun game. One that I enjoy playing is Carrom which a friend taught me. It's a similar game, except the pockets are in the four corners of a square board and then it's like pool. There are some fun trick shots people do online https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PTTeLj-fSQA https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PTTeLj-fSQA And you can manage a couple of the trick shots yourself with a little practice. It's honestly quite lightweight and easy to learn which makes it fun.
- zem 2y agoI was reminded of carrom too, it's super popular in India. kind of like a cross between crokinole and snooker or pool; you need to get your pieces into pockets using a striker, and avoid getting your opponent's pieces in. physically, one big factor is that you're flicking a heavy striker into a much lighter disc.
- bitlad 2y agoLooks like carrom but easier.
- Waterluvian 2y agoHad no idea Crokinole was a local thing. In Grade 7 it became big in our classroom. We ended up having a weekly tournament. I could never shoot the pieces reliably, so I made a tool out of K-Nex that resembled an elastic-powered pool cue inside a barrel that rested nicely on the board. I even had a slider I could adjust to "remember" the right amount of power for a given shot. The specific rules that came with the board did not cover this, but after me absolutely crushing the first tournament it was summarily banned. This might be part of my engineer origin story.
- jat850 2y agoThis game has such a special place in my heart - like others, I have some beautiful handmade boards, some of which have been in my family for a couple generations. Canadian as well which seems thematically common here. My father and I spend as much time trash-talking each other about playing as we do playing. And my grandmother was a complete shark, the crokinole matriarch who would put any of us to shame. Another reason why I will always appreciate HN and its breadth of community and interests.
- kashif 2y agoCarrom is so much better
- extr 2y agoAt my first job we had a very senior canadian on my team. He introduced Crokinole to the workplace and it never left. A lot of fun and honestly the perfect “office 15 minute break” game. Though inevitably there were a lot of “Come on, best 2 out of 3.”
- AlwaysRock 2y agoCrokinole is so much fun. I wish boards were not so expensive and difficult to keep nice or I think it would be much much more popular. It inspired me to try a whole slew of other tactile/physical "board" games.
- pahool 2y agoHave you tried Flickwars? I don't own it, but played a demo version at a board game convention maybe five years back. I still keep wanting to pull the trigger on buying it but I've been trying to reel in my boardgame-purchasing problem a bit. Most flicking/dexterity games are pretty abstract: lightly themed, if they're themed at all. And a lot of the ones that are themed, somehow don't get it "right". Flickwars is pretty cool in that it's got a light space battle theme with asymmetric team powers. It also has a neoprene board which, while not being as satisfying as polished wood, makes a surprisingly satisfying flicking surface. There's a modular setup to the game, where players place obstacles on or (because of the neoprene surface) UNDER the board. This meshes nicely with the space theme as you can consider these obstacles as gravitational anomalies. All-in-all, it's a pretty lightweight game, but it's a fun diversion from heavier board games.
- AlwaysRock 2y agoI have not! Will check it out.
- pahool 2y agoAlmost twenty years ago, I brought a crokinole board into my work and it became a very popular diversion. We came up with a cutthroat version where four players could play individually rather than the more traditional 2v2 four-player variant. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/192278/awesome-four-player-variant-not-teams https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/192278/awesome-four-player-...
- nogridbag 2y agoCrokinole looks fun, but personally I'm into BulletBall and BulletBall Extreme (which may one day be an Olympic sport).
- asadm 2y agogrowing up we loved Carrom, a 4p game of similar style probably.
- cheeseomlit 2y agoLooks fun! Any recommendations on buying a board to start with for less than $100 or so? Might just get a cheapo one on amazon to try out.
- hluska 2y ago$100 is a good budget - you will have a lot of choice. For around $100 you could get a good quality octagon shaped wooden board with wooden discs and powder. Avoid plastic - it’s a totally different game and I don’t think it’s as much fun. If you go octagon, go 27” - you’ll find a lot of really cheap 21” boards but like plastic, it’s a different game and it’s less fun. Make sure that the bottom is padded - a lot of two in ones aren’t padded and you will scratch your table badly. Welcome to addiction. :)
- _jholland 2y agoCheck out the Shut Up and Sit Down review of crokinole: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg&t=580s&pp=ygUJY3Jva2lub2xl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg&t=580s&pp=ygUJY3Jv...
- bregma 2y agoEvery wood-paneled Canadian rec room in the 1970s had a crokinole game set up right beside the rod hockey table and maybe the stacks of empty two-four cases. Just thinking about it brings back the smell memory of stale beer and cigarettes mingled with mould from the damp shag carpeting.
- brailsafe 2y agoI've lived my entire life not knowing there was an "L" in the name or even having an approximation of the spelling. I've played it and talked about it, but only vocally, and nobody's enunciated the "ole", so I've always thought it ended with an "oh" sound.
- af78 2y agoI live in France and had never heard about this game before. I can play the simulator on mobile but on the desktop Linux the "place disc" button is unresponsive to mouse clicks. I tried both Firefox and Chrome. Am I the only one?
- TheSkyHasEyes 2y agoI was curious how many people outside Canada have heard of this game. :)
- rvba 2y agoDoesnt work on mobile too
- af78 2y agodicytea's workaround (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871624) works - sort of.
- ksynwa 2y agoHa from the video I was wondering what the point of the board being round was. But the examples that follow which show pegs that didn't go through the hole made it clear.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoWe usually play with 4 players, and each player can shoot from anywhere in their quarter of the board. Being equidistant from the center is an important attribute, among other things.
- thih9 2y agoOne-cheek rule: > The following rules are sanctioned by the National Crokinole Association and used in all NCA Tour events. > (…) > 7. i) When a player is shooting, at least one portion of his/her posterior must be in contact with the seat of his/her chair. http://nationalcrokinoleassociation.com/resources/rules.html http://nationalcrokinoleassociation.com/resources/rules.html
- spencerchubb 2y agoWhat advantage could one get by not having any cheeks in contact with the chair?
- JadoJodo 2y agoYou can move around the table, if you don’t remain seated, making any angle trivial.
- peeters 2y agoTo expand on this, the circumference is divided into four quadrants, and you must shoot from your own quadrant without rotating the board (although physical abilities considered, many people play with house rules where you can rotate it). Saying your butt has to be on your seat limits how much you're allowed to move yourself around the board. It's true that even with that rule, you can typically lean to take a shot from both extremes of your quadrant, however those shots are harder to aim because you're not positioned behind the shot.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoI get out of my chair frequently. When the pieces immediately in front of you are all owned by your team, you want to shoot from the outer edges to avoid hitting your own pieces.
- thih9 2y agoFittingly, on mobile the HN code for shortening urls turns the parent comment's link from "nationalcrokinoleassociation" into "nationalcrokinoleass".
- UberFly 2y agoLike poutine, probably coming to a bar or pub near you.
- typon 2y agoWeird that this article doesn't mention Carrom at all - maybe people in North America haven't heard of it.
- irrational 2y agoCrokinole is an amazing boardgame. It is deservedly in the top 50 on BGG. I'm an amateur woodworker and built my own board. We will happily spend hours playing it.
- maxglute 2y agoFriend once lamented annoying part of a breakup was losing holiday crokinole priveleges at their ex's family cottage. I loled, but it was really stupid satisfying flicking on a high end board.
- enjo 2y agoIf you're ever in Denver the Denver Elks Lodge has a really nice Crokinole board and visitors are very welcome!
- DGCA 2y ago> To be eligible for membership in the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, you must be a citizen of the United States over the age of 21 who believes in God (whatever that means to you). Bums, I don't meet 2/3 reqs.
- tinco 2y agoHere's a helpful atheistic definition of "God" I picked up somewhere: The force that enables good things to happen to groups of people who act upon a belief that they should do good to another. I.e. if you say "thank God", you're really saying you're thankful that you and the people around you are making decisions that benefit everyone. (Not an invitation for theistic discussion, just trying to be helpful to a fellow atheist)
- hammock 2y agoWhere was the cottage, out of curiosity?
- mhitza 2y agoIt reminded me of Carrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrom which is a similar Indian game I've recently discovered via Instagram feed due to following trick shots.
- DrillShopper 2y agoWhen I was a kid in the 1980s I had this carrom board set: https://a.co/d/4AT00VF https://a.co/d/4AT00VF One side has a flat surface for carrom and the other side has the layout for crokinole.
- bilekas 2y agoI would love to know why this is so satisfying to watch.. I can't imagine to play but wow.
- jasoneckert 2y agoI first played Crokinole when I was 9 years old at my grandmother's house with my cousins and was immediately hooked. That same day I remember telling my sister that it was a time machine - we started playing it at noon, and an hour later it was suddenly 6pm.
- tomasdivito 2y agoTIL about this game! But gotta say that I loved the article's interactivity and graphs :) Really cool!
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoI've always known this game as Knipsbrät, but that's the German mennonite name. I guess there aren't a lot of us. We also immigrated to Canada. I don't know if our family picked up the game before or after the move, but it's been a staple of our games nights since before I was born (36 now.. I think)
- DidYaWipe 2y agoIs what?
- dougb5 2y agoI grew up where it was invented, but I first learned of crokinole in the memorable lyrics of Moxy Fruvous, in which they manage to rhyme it with "princess of Monaco". Recommended, especially if you're from Toronto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF3JfiexLVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF3JfiexLVA
- idlewords 2y agoLove the quiet athleticism on display in the video. This sport makes cup-stacking look like pickleball.
- hyperhopper 2y agoDespite the unfurled title "Welcome to Crokinole, the greatest game you've never heard of." 1. I have heard of it 2. It's not the best game I've heard of 3. It's almost definitely not the best game I haven't heard of 4. It's still a pretty good game I hate outrageous titles that are just designed to provoke outrage or curiousity while being untrue.
- bitwize 2y agoOh man, this is the most intense sport you can watch on ESPN 8, The Ocho.
- Gloomily3819 2y agoThis is why I don't like bowling or pool. At high level, it's a game of "whoever makes the first mistake loses."
- ToddWBurgess 2y agoSpent hours back in the day getting my ass kicked playing this with my grandfather. It quite often got used as a chance to get some grandfatherly advice. The one lesson he taught me and has stuck with me: "If you can't win. Make it hard for the other guy to win."
- dbbr 2y agoFolks, this is it. I have decided what I am getting my family for Christmas this year.
- HeavyStorm 2y agoOf note: https://youtu.be/XMKzeg78peg?si=8YfUyNHszg9mafLb https://youtu.be/XMKzeg78peg?si=8YfUyNHszg9mafLb That's how I learned crokinole existed.
- bikamonki 2y agoIn this information overload age, I surely feel like there is nothing new under the sun, and then I run into gems like this :)
- brentpen 2y agoFor those that like Pool, rather than Shuffle Board.. Carooka Pool 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhpaXgkotw0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhpaXgkotw0
- whamlastxmas 2y agoIs this version considered more fun?
- whamlastxmas 2y agoThis made me go buy a cheap board on Amazon. Looks fun!