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Bop Spotter
- jppope 2y agoAWESOME project. thank you for the inspiration! and the hope!
- twilo 2y agoBrilliant now we need an automated daily playlist based on all that
- pryelluw 2y agoFuck I love the design of this page. Kudos to the web dev who built it.
- timkq 2y agoLove this idea! I presume you're using cellular? Won't it rack up a lot of costs?
- mkarliner 2y agoEx Shazam tech here. The signatures that the Shazam app sends are very small, so bandwith costs should be minimal. Of course, I speaking about the technology of my day 2001+, so times may have changed
- svantana 2y agoI did some measurements on shazam and it seems to send about 7kb/minute, which corresponds to 300MB/month, i.e. no big deal. I suppose it helps that shazam was designed in the age of expensive bandwidth.
- ryanmcbride 2y agoI've learned when setting up a family plan that depending on how many devices you already have (my wife and I each had 1 phone and 1 apple watch) we could get an extra line with unlimited data for functionally nothing. (The sim's sitting in my dashcam right now, been silently plugging away for months)
- ertgbnm 2y agoSome phone plans like Google Fi will give you a data only sim card for free. It ends up being totally free as long as you have unlimited data plans. I use my old phone and a data only sim card for random projects.
- kreyenborgi 2y agocan you also make it tell people to turn the noise down
- sneak 2y agoWhy did you move to the Mission, a noisy neighborhood, if you don’t like noise?
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- spacebanana7 2y agoNAL but in most jurisdictions anything that happens in public is freely recordable. The illegal part here is likely the attachment of a device to public property without permission from local authorities. However, the same service would likely be legal if a few people were hired to walk around with microphones. Or potentially if the microphones were attached to vehicles. Edit - also might be legal if OP purchased / leased some property facing the street.
- sgerenser 2y agoFun fact: Nielsen actually does this (hires people to walk around with microphones) for purposes of broadcast TV/radio audience ratings: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter
- sneak 2y agoJust because it would be legal for you to record it, doesn’t mean it’s legal for you to hide a recorder there without your presence. The “use of a public pole” isn’t really the issue.
- beAbU 2y agoWho exactly is being surveiled here? How is their privacy being affected by this? This device is not surveilling anyone as far as I can tell. It's logging music that's being played in public in its vicinity. It's not tracking individuals, it's not recording faces. When someone does something in public, they sort of lose the claim/right to privacy, because they are doing it /in public/. If they wanted privacy they should have done their thing in private. If you are not willing to grant consent to this thing listening to you, then maybe you should not walk around in public playing your music loudly. Or should everyone who is within earshot of you first get your consent, else they must stick their fingers in their ears?
- beAbU 2y ago> But it's not about catching criminals. It's about catching vibes. Love this so much.
- cousin_it 2y agoI guess it will mostly reflect the musical taste of assholes who turn their music up loud. Hmm, but maybe all culture works like that.
- microtherion 2y agoIt might reflect different attitudes between cultures as to what volume makes one an "asshole".
- tirant 2y agoI guess no one with loud music considers themself an asshole, so this should be actually giving the information on exactly what you mention.
- itishappy 2y agoI had a collogue who installed his speaker setup facing backwards out of his trunk. He knew what he was doing.
- hotspot_one 2y agoI know it's a typo, and I make typos all the time, but this one should be elevated to the "new word" status A collogue: Someone who sees their role on the team as to annoys others.
- tcpkump 2y agoThat’s just how you install a subwoofer though?
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- ramon156 2y agoI spent too much time on TikTok, because I got confused how a "bop" spotter even worked.
- ClassyJacket 2y agoYes, I'm quite upset about the repurposing of "bop" to be offensive, it was a good word and I liked its old meaning. For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'. Redefining existing words is something that really irritates me, particularly when it's used to attack women.
- imawakegnxoxo 2y agoBlitzkrieg.... Hoes? I've spent a few more minutes than I should have trying to work this out. The only way I can figure this is it's related to the head movement? Still not sure. I sure do have very little love for this generation though
- KomoD 2y ago> For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'. I have never heard this and I'm "Gen Z". I looked at Urban Dictionary and the earliest definition that says slut goes back to 2005, so "Gen Z" definitely didn't come up with it.
- nusl 2y agoThis is really cool. Imagine a map of this across a city, being able to see what different areas tend to listen to. I imagine you'd find some surprising and not-so-surprising things.
- defrost 2y agoLike where's the Yacht-Rock district and is Trap-House actually played near any trap houses, etc?
- xnorswap 2y agoThen you'd get someone taking the trouble to correlate music and times, to capture someone moving across the city on the map. Then you'd get profiling to potentially pick out who in particular moved across the city and the exact time of path of their movement. While this is a nice idea on a local scale, when scaled up it has horrendous privacy implications.
- xnorswap 2y agoAnd music fingerprinting is probably incredibly accurate, because it can work similar to linguistic fingerprinting. There was a site posted to this place a year or so ago, which looked at work frequencies to find alt-accounts. I don't hide the fact that I use a different account on different computers, so I have a personal account and work accounts and end up changing accounts each time I change jobs. This site correlated all my accounts, using a very basic fingerprinting technique of looking for words which a user uses uncommonly often. It found them all with a good degree of confidence. I haven't seen reference to that site since, I suspect it got taken down. Musical fingerprinting would be accurate to a similar degree. You wouldn't look for the music someone listens to most, you'd look for uncommon combinations. A combination a just a few songs that someone listens to unusually more than other people is probably enough for a good enough correlation for fingerprinting.
- 082349872349872 2y agoLeaking 33 bits over time, especially a lifetime, is nearly impossible to avoid. Although it's more difficult, it's also possible to be too "middle of the road": very few individuals are very close to the population average in all dimensions. (Heinrich Böll's At the Bridge is a great short story; Böll had worked in a statistics department so he was probably well aware of the weakness in his protagonist's reasoning) About the best I'd ask for is that custodes should ipsos be as correlatable as we all are: the amphiopticon? Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7skMnxly0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7skMnxly0
- defrost 2y agoNice idea - it'd be interesting to do some stats on matching accuracy, eg: September 29, 2024 6:53 PM La Banda Del Carro Rojo Los Tigres del Norte links to the captured street noise that matched .. and I (perhaps others can) cannot hear the asserted "match" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjz9L0UOhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjz9L0UOhE but bonus points for picking up that Virreinato de Nueva España vibe.
- Dibby053 2y agoYou can faintly hear the accordion near the end of the recording. I don't like that it shares the recordings though. It doesn't add much value and it's a privacy violation, even if it's legal.
- defrost 2y agoGood effort if that's what it is (I confess, I haven't looped back to check). Sharing for people to check is useful to bed something in, I'm not fond of the "privacy violation" but I grew up in small communities .. if you said anything within earshot in a public area it went around town faster than 10 gigabit fibre, and that was before WWW, before even TCP or the IP it sat on. Accessible storage and replay forever is a whole level up, but these are the days in which face recognition is being rolled out to giant billboards that can display different images to different positions and track several moving pedtrasians with targeted ads based on their preferences.
- xerox13ster 2y agoSee I’m not sure that it is legal. If they are re-transmitting audio is being played in public over the Internet for potentially many thousands more people, I’m pretty sure the RIAA, the UMG, & the WMG would all have something to say about it.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoIn general, for chickenshit like this, the worst the authorities are likely to say is "Please stop."
- leokennis 2y agoI'm nervous about the battery being at 91%...is it not plugged into a constant source of power?
- ollybee 2y ago"It's solar powered"
- donalhunt 2y agoHow does it survive SanFran's infamous sea fog that rolls in from time to time?
- STRiDEX 2y agothe mission is one of the least foggy neighborhoods
- boringg 2y agodogpatch is another good contender.
- hindsightbias 2y agoKarl is hip and can roll with it.
- unkeen 2y ago> It's solar powered, …
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- justmarc 2y agoSuper cool! This is a proper fusion of innovation and creativity.
- advael 2y agoThis is amazing You're keeping charts, right? I wanna know what the top hit on that block is next month
- bradrn 2y agoLooks like the results are exported to a CSV file: https://walzr.com/bop-spotter/export https://walzr.com/bop-spotter/export
- helboi4 2y agoI fucking love this. hilarious idea
- yawpitch 2y agoI love this. Beautiful, simple, but just a little subversive. :chef’s kiss:
- bravura 2y agoHow do I join the party? Is there a quickstart so you can hear the vibes of Berlin? [edit: It would be awesome if others could collaborate on this and had a guide on how to do it!]
- kioleanu 2y agoI recommend you sit this one out, as recording people, even if only audio and sending the sound over the internet is very much against the law in germany
- bravura 2y agoThinking this through more deeply, I agree and see your position. It is creepy to surveil audio and possibly send in full to Shazam. [edit: And post the original audio recordings online.] The ethical way to do this would be to use your own code to decimate the audio signal to extremely low dimensionality.
- devin 2y agoYou misunderstand how Shazam works. Nothing is “sent in full”.
- jetrink 2y agoThe music fingerprinting on my Android phone works in airplane mode, so it would be possible with modifications. Also, it's likely that Shazam is sending a "hash" of the audio rather than an audio stream in most cases.
- zorked 2y agoEuropean law tends not to like "clever" workarounds. IANAL but I belive you would still be practicing illegal surveillance.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoIts not a hash though? Its a reverse - fourier transform system that matches the sound- similar to the filter that filters out the vuvuzelas? https://www.dechicchis.com/assets/Joseph-DeChicchis-Music-Identification.pdf https://www.dechicchis.com/assets/Joseph-DeChicchis-Music-Id... Like having a distinctive click impulse and get the cathedral from that.
- xnx 2y agoClicked through to see if this was using the 2024/TikTok definition of "bop". That would be a very different app. Not infeasible. Possibly illegal.
- worstspotgain 2y agoThe Mission is a variegated place. It's been undergoing gentrification for 4 decades but it never seems to get there - so much so that you could say that that's become its "thing." The exact location where the phone is placed makes a huge difference. Going from Valencia to Shotwell to the BART plazas to the Latino bars and back to the hills your soundtrack would change quite a few times.
- azinman2 2y agoWhere does gentrification begin and end? The mission went from Ohlone to Spanish to German/Irish/Italian immigrants, then Mexican immigrants, then Central American, then LGBT, then wider punks/misfits and other immigrants including Filipinos, before the techies started moving in. I don’t really understand this term because it seems to suggest before a richer class moves into an area it displaces “the true inhabitants,” but those true inhabitants have almost always displaced someone else.
- worstspotgain 2y agoIt involves a massive increase in housing prices, primarily brought about by artificial supply restrictions, that results in unintentional displacement. The reason the Mission is still variegated is rent control, along with various forms of affordable housing, housesharing, master tenant slumlords, SROs, extended family arrangements, etc. It's a pretty unique and amazing place really.
- wozniacki 2y agoYeah I'm sure handshake politics goes a long way in these neighborhoods often to the detriment of the unsuspecting, unconnected and un-special-interest-group attached renters and owners. [1] Protesters Gather at Google Lawyer’s Apartments https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-google-lawyers-apartment-house/ https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-google...
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- tgtweak 2y agoCan you add youtube music as a "listen to" link?
- TZubiri 2y agoGood idea, not great execution.
- yoavm 2y agoWhy not? Seems to perfect execution to me. Solar powered, neat website, what else could you ask for?
- tmountain 2y agoCool idea, we need a way to stream the playlist!
- PcChip 2y agoI think this is really cool, and am surprised by some of the negative comments here
- FrustratedMonky 2y agoNow this is a unique idea. I'd like to see this rolled out widely so we can get some map of music.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoAlright, who wants to go wardriving around the mission with me, blasting Never Gonna Give You Up?
- banannaise 2y agoI suppose this would be "Rickdriving"?
- indymike 2y agoI think this is just literal rickrolling.
- Neff 2y agoRickrollin on dubs?
- worstspotgain 2y agoThey see rickrollin, they hatin, patrollin and tryin'a catch the Bop Spotter.
- ryandrake 2y agoYou could probably locate the exact location of the microphone by driving around in a carefully planned pattern with unique, known songs playing.
- hadlock 2y ago
- rahimnathwani 2y agoIt will be good to see if it can run continuously with only solar power to replenish the battery. BTW I'm curious what the solar setup is?
- throwaway743 2y agoSome psycho is out there blaring Lou Bega mambo no 5... they must be stopped.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoSometimes you just need a little bit of Monica in your life.
- tronvivant 2y agoLove that - thought about sharing your source for any of us interested in doing this in our city? Fund idea
- swah 2y agoI bet the hardware will take a bit more - the script could be just something like https://github.com/loiccoyle/shazam-cli https://github.com/loiccoyle/shazam-cli running every minute and, when there's a valid result, upload to your backend/Sheets API/Telegram bot etc
- tronvivant 2y agoThanks!
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- doctorpangloss 2y agoCan you do one that counts how many people go directly from drinking in front of Mr. Liquor and then into their cars or dirt bikes?
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoPixelated cover art conversions are a nice touch. How?
- CritPassenger 2y agoThere are some picture to pixel libraries on GitHub, something like this would probably be able to produce the same effect: https://github.com/giventofly/pixelit https://github.com/giventofly/pixelit
- binarysneaker 2y agoWould be cool if this updated a playlist with everything heard, so we could follow along.
- bicx 2y agoThis kind of project has made me realize that somewhere along the way, I quit thinking of tech as a way to build anything fun. I need to rekindle that goofball spirit.
- breadsniffer01 2y agoRekindle it! Intrinsic curiosity…
- Maxim2572 2y agoI read this post every few months to keep that spirit https://justforfunnoreally.dev/ https://justforfunnoreally.dev/
- ukd1 2y ago100% - after I left my last startup I was in that frame; I did recurse.com and it really helped rekindle that spirit.
- spmurrayzzz 2y agoI've definitely noticed the same in my career. Its easy to get caught up in the day-to-day and forget some of the reasons you got started doing all this in the first place (in my case, because its fun and I'm passionate about software/hardware). On a whim, I decided to invest time in writing down one idea per week of anything fun I could hack on. It doesn't really matter whether or not I go through with it, I keep the stakes low: just write an idea down. That way it forces me to think about things I could build for myself or others/friends/family without much cognitive investment. The end result has not only had a nonzero impact on my motivation to start new projects, it has impacted my ability to actually follow through. And I've noticed the practice has made the ideation loop happen more frequently than once per week over time.
- GeoAtreides 2y agoThe embedded world awaits you: https://microengineer.eu/2018/05/01/diy-night-clock-projector/ https://microengineer.eu/2018/05/01/diy-night-clock-projecto... Weather Station using LilyGo T-Display S3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntDY9Mg7T0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntDY9Mg7T0 https://github.com/goat-hill/bitclock https://github.com/goat-hill/bitclock https://www.hackster.io/lmarzen/esp32-e-paper-weather-display-a2f444 https://www.hackster.io/lmarzen/esp32-e-paper-weather-displa...
- rendaw 2y agoHow do you get the data out of the Shazam app (?)
- m000 2y agoIf you link it to your Spotify, Shazam will add anything it recognizes in a special playlist.
- kevindamm 2y agoI was going to complain that it had a non-duplicate constraint.. but then I realized you could remove from the other end and have a managed pubsub queue, nice.
- Aachen 2y agoI was wondering the same. Also curious about those battery stats: > Battery currently at 80% (a decrease of 6% in the last 4 hours). That's gotta be an OLED screen at lowest brightness or, even more likely, a fully black overlay app since the mic is constantly active and either locally processing it into Shazam and streaming fingerprints or (less cpu, more network) streaming it to a server which then does the processing and queries Shazam. As a comparison, my work phone is off+idle basically the whole time and takes twice as long to charge at a higher wattage as my personal phone (i.e.: large battery by my standards), and that uses nearly a percent per hour while the screen is off with maybe 20 messages and one email coming in across 4 hours. I'm amazed by the idea, that no rate limit has kicked in on Shazam, that they didn't connect it to a power source, and that the battery is lasting so long! Edit: missed that it is being powered by a solar panel
- 3np 2y agoThey might have a power bank as a buffer for the solar panel. Doesn't really go into detail.
- neuroelectron 2y agoThey likely removed the screen entirely
- breadsniffer01 2y agoSuper sick!! Convert this to a live radio/realtime feed
- davidcollantes 2y agoI played, more than once, a few of the sound snippets. I think the Shazam "findings" are highly inaccurate. Fun project nonetheless! walz, could you write more about the setup, maybe to propitiate others to replicate it in other cities?
- trainyperson 2y agoSame, although I know Shazam does most of its work on very high frequencies so it’s possible we’re not able to hear the part that got matched. The “Not Like Us” snippet (09/29 2:43pm) is easily recognizable though. And “Rockabye” can be heard at 3:05pm.
- duskwuff 2y ago> I know Shazam does most of its work on very high frequencies Are you sure about that? High frequencies don't propagate as well (and, beyond a point, aren't reproduced at all by cheap speakers), so that would seem to limit its effectiveness pretty severely.
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- walz 2y agoI've listened to a bunch of the snippets and you can usually just barely hear the sound in the background. Which makes me think Shazam is very accurate. I really should read more about how Shazam's algorithm works, because it feels like magic. The phone records 10 minute chunks of audio at a time, in airplane mode. Every 10 minutes, airplane mode is turned off and the audio is uploaded to a server. The server then splits the audio into 15 second overlapping chunks, and each is passed to Shazam's API (no official API, but someone reverse engineered it and made a great Python package). This setup is super power efficient! The phone dips down to a minimum 70% percent battery by the early morning.
- jldugger 2y ago> I really should read more about how Shazam's algorithm works, because it feels like magic. https://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf https://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf
- motohagiography 2y agoNice. there's a selection bias as the people who play music loud enough to be heard from their cars and several genres there just don't overlap at all. if we're acknowledging that the music played from cars is neighbourhood vibe, it raises the question of whether they are interfering with the neighbourhood as well.
- wozniacki 2y agoI was waiting for someone to sneak in a anti-car angle into this and presto what have you ! Haha
- motohagiography 2y agosubwoofers are an invasive tech and unchecked they can wreck neighbourhoods, this project could yield data on that imo.
- rconti 2y agoOr blasted from a nearby apartment window, or cookout, or boombox on a bike, or bluetooth speaker carried by a walker, or....
- uptownfunk 2y agoFuck this is so cool love it
- ortusdux 2y agoGoogle added this optional feature to pixel lock screens a few years back. You can 'heart' songs and it adds them you your playlist. It looks like my phone ID's about 300 songs a month! https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7535326?hl=en https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7535326?hl=en
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- chronogram 2y agoI loved that feature of my old Pixel. Even in the middle of Germany, with no cell reception whatsoever, I'd surprise people by looking at the always-on-display to see what song was playing somewhere.
- ortusdux 2y agoYeah it's pretty cool that it runs off-line. I wonder how large the local database is? They did add a second togglable option that lets you chose an online search if the song not recognized.
- stevage 2y agoI'm surprised it still isn't built into Spotify. Hear a song, like a song.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoPretty sure Apple and Google already do this, just to all phones, in all homes, and not just for music, but your entire life! No consent needed. Have a nice day! :)
- azinman2 2y agoComments like this worry me that HN is being dragged down with the wider culture wars and truthiness that’s destroying all that we have. I would hope for better in this forum.
- heraldgeezer 2y agoHow is he wrong though? "Bad vibes" all you want but there is a reason. The golden ages are over.
- azinman2 2y agoHow is the OP right? Huge claims require huge evidence; this trope has been disproven over and over again. Security researchers look at exactly this kind of thing, and nevermind this community is full of the people who would actually build such a thing. A massive dragnet isn’t actually as valuable as you think it would be.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoIt has not been disproven. A simple Google search "is my phone listening to me" provides a resounding yes. These things need to hear your prompt at the very least, which entails (in many cases, if not most) listening at all times. Security researchers DO look at this and they, along with everyone else, just shrug because you technically DID give consent when you accepted the thousand line policy you didn't read.
- azinman2 2y agoHot word detection to activate an assistant occurs locally on your device for the purpose of activating said assistant. That is a far cry from “Pretty sure Apple and Google already do this, just to all phones, in all homes, and not just for music, but your entire life!” which suggests that both Apple and Google are deploying a dragnet uploading a 24/7 recording to their servers for nefarious purposes. That is just simply not true. That at minimum would leave a constant trail of bytes being sent over the network (which isn’t the case), and would massively drain battery life. It’s also highly illegal.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y agoHow did the author get Shazam to constantly sample songs?
- BobaFloutist 2y agoWhat a cool project! What fun! I'm curious, is there a hardcoded delay, or does the delay reflect the amount of time it takes to process what's playing and update the website?
- layla5alive 2y agoProbably a random delay to avoid being located
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- heraldgeezer 2y agowow so much latino la el musica
- imchillyb 2y agoHow does this project not run afoul of federal and state wiretapping laws? > http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law
- edm0nd 2y agohonestly, who gives a fuck if it does? its okay to break unjust or silly laws.
- 7e 2y agoThey’re listening in a public place, where there is no expectation of privacy. Also, it’s not clear it can hear any conversations, only music may be loud enough to teach it. Finally, it’s not recording the sounds, only analyzing them.
- luminouslight 2y agoI was on the ground in SF yesterday and this caught a pro-Trump car convoy blasting God Bless America yesterday so it definitely can work if cars are blasting music. Certainly an interesting project.
- GrumpyNl 2y agoGreat job, i hope the author passes by here, would like to know what brought him on the idea.
- mannanj 2y agonice would be to add mapping data, and correlate to other factors.
- chfritz 2y agoCool. And I noticed that a surprisingly high number of songs are in Spanish. So I'll venture to hypothesize that this project will identify a correlation between musical taste and preference for how loud it is played, rather than accurately capturing the "musical taste of the neighborhood". Any thoughts on that? Have you tested how loud a song needs to be played in order to be picked up?
- aeturnum 2y agoI don't know what a "surprisingly high" number is - but the mission is about 1/3 Spanish speaking as far as I can tell[1]. [1] It's hard actually, but this language diversity data(https://www.sf.gov/data/san-francisco-language-diversity-data https://www.sf.gov/data/san-francisco-language-diversity-dat...) says there are ~20k speakers and this district population breakdown (https://www.sfgov.org/ccsfgsa/current-san-francisco-supervisorial-districts https://www.sfgov.org/ccsfgsa/current-san-francisco-supervis...) says there are ~67k residents
- mminer237 2y agoThis is looking about 90% Spanish songs and 10% reggae-fusion.
- a_t48 2y agoI'm pretty amused at whoever decided to play KDA at 9:30 last night though.
- rconti 2y agoThat's funny because I recognized Annika Wells and had to look up the song without knowing who K/DA was.
- 082349872349872 2y ago1/3 of a century of progress in animation technique and musical style? (1985) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96mZc82fYGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96mZc82fYGc (2018) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOxkGD8qRB4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOxkGD8qRB4 [what if, instead of having eighteenth century style parliament buildings with a bunch of old guys sitting at desks and speaking from time to time, we had political factions settle their disputes in-game on a battle royale level?]
- geor9e 2y agoI hear a Muni bus stop nearby, and a lot of voices at 3AM, so I am guessing it's near bars, maybe Mission street. Maybe a pole near enough to an apartment fire escape to ziptie a solar panel. I wonder if the timestamps are accurate enough for me to ride my bike down mission blasting a song, and check strava for where I was at that timestamp, then spot the spotter. Just for fun of course, not to post or dox.
- twic 2y agoRather than relying on the bop spotter timestamp, you could play thirty-second snatches of different extremely obscure songs, on a schedule. When one of them turns up on the bop spotter, you know when you were passing it, to thirty seconds precision.
- baudpunk 2y agoThis is very funny
- robblbobbl 2y agoNice 2 know thx
- indigodaddy 2y ago2 Live crew @ 9:03A most likely because they were mentioned on NPR this morning
- RankingMember 2y agoThis is a fantastically fun little project
- byearthithatius 2y agoGuess who is heading to the Mission today to play my fav songs!:D Love projects like this
- sgt 2y agoHow do people sleep with that noise? I see the noise and music is through the night.
- kiddico 2y agoNothing says good vibes like "Me So Horny" at 9:03AM lol
- llacb47 2y ago2 live crew is a W
- saghm 2y agoI notice that on September 28 (near the top of the list, since it doesn't seem to have anything for today yet) the same Pitbull song was detected separately a little less than an hour apart, and I can't help but wonder if it was the same person listening to it on loop. Several months ago, my fiancee and I overheard someone driving outside blasting Adele's "Someone Like You" from inside our apartment, and every 45 minutes or so we'd hear it again, so we couldn't help but assume it was the same person driving around the city with it on loop, probably going through some rough breakup or something.
- scottyah 2y agoOr spotify jamming a song into everyone's algorithms, as a cynical take. I have never looked up and played Drake or Taylor Swift, but they come up in "curated" playlists thought-provokingly often.
- t-3 2y ago> I have never looked up and played Drake or Taylor Swift, but they come up in "curated" playlists thought-provokingly often. That's not necessarily due to payola or whatever - both Drake and Swift are very talented as well as prolific and among the best operating these days, even if they are pop artists. It's not strange to see them recommended algorithmically if the listener is into modern music at all.
- saghm 2y agoI almost exclusively listen to music from before the 90s, and Spotify has never once tried to play me anything from either of those artists, so that seems like a more likely explanation to me.
- otteromkram 2y ago> both Drake and Swift are very talented Weird way to say "nepo kids." There's 1,000,000+ Taylor Swifts and Drakes out there; connections and money are the true talent brokers.
- tartakovsky 2y agoHuh? “Total Shazams ever detected: 240. That's an average of 240 songs per day.”
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- pragma_x 2y agoI love everything about this. There is this undercurrent to our technology landscape. A kind of subculture somewhere in the locus of the hackersphere where a kind of punk-rock ethos rules the roost. I can only describe it as a live exploration of concepts _through_ technology, where functional fixedness is a foreign concept, including in the shared experience of social construct; everything becomes parts to be remixed in a way. In this place people just do things that, by way of having fun, just becomes art. It's emergent gameplay just by following a solitary "rule of cool." I saw this page and was immediately transported back to the late 1990's and early 'aughts. The kind of "I glued these things together and just look" attitude that graced the pages of hackaday.com and slashdot.org. LED "throwies" come to mind. In this case we have a de-facto art installation. I imagine that this was probably put together with odds and ends, maybe installed illegally, and probably doesn't have longevity in mind for its construction. It lightheartedly challenges some conventions, challenges ideas about privacy, brushes up against copyright, and is entertaining to boot. Most importantly, how it was made is less interesting than what it _does_, and where it carries the conversation of the observer. Or maybe: that's the point.
- engineer_22 2y agoyou must be an architect
- 867-5309 2y ago..of poetry
- loughnane 2y agoWell put. I agree 100%. Gives me hope in a way I can’t quickly put to words.
- Retr0id 2y agoFunnily enough I've also heard throwies cited as evidence of some kind of cultural decline - "not a real hack" etc.
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- superjan 2y agoI really love the LCD aesthetic of this site.
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- dzink 2y agoFantastic idea! The detection doesn’t seem very actuate through - most of it is noise with no actual music playing in the background. I don’t know how the algorithm assumes it’s a song.
- joshdavham 2y agoQuick bit of feedback: Google translate thinks this page is in Spanish (I wonder why). It’d be nice to not see that “translate this page” pop up. Otherwise, cool project!
- gffrd 2y ago> It’d be nice to not see that “translate this page” pop up Many of the songs detected are latin artists with like monikers and song names. Is there a way to suppress/prevent google from analyzing the contents of a page and determining such?
- walz 2y agoI think I fixed this! nice catch
- joshdavham 2y agoI just tried on my macbook (was on ipad before) and I'm still getting the translation popup :(
- maxglute 2y agoThe design inspiration site https://mschfplaysvenmo.com/ https://mschfplaysvenmo.com/ also looks pretty fun.
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- eprparadox 2y agoso so cool and the spirit of this project (which seems to speak to many other commenters too) really reminds me of this recent hackernews post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41395413 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41395413 'The secret inside One Million Checkboxes' the creativity in endeavors like these really just elicits total joy. it's infectious!
- rocken7 2y agosomebody needs to do this at a couple of starbucks in key areas, record anon conversations and build a browsable map of topics
- gregw134 2y agoI can already see Matt Levine's column: if someone places secret recorders at Starbucks and leaks the transcript to the internet, is it insider trading?
- simonw 2y agoSome details on how this works: https://twitter.com/rtwlz/status/1840821351055311245 https://twitter.com/rtwlz/status/1840821351055311245 The phone has a Tasker script running on loop (even if the battery dies, it’ll restart when it boots again) Script records 10 min of audio in airplane mode, then comes out of airplane mode and connects to nearby free WiFi. Then uploads the audio file to my server, which splits it into 15 sec chunks that slightly overlap. Passes each to Shazam’s API (not public, but someone reverse engineered it and made a great Python package). Phone only uses 2% of power every hour when it’s not charging!
- bilalq 2y agoA bit disappointing that this sends audio recordings to a server. Even if it's not the intention, that leaves so much possibility for abuse. Why not use a Pixel phone with on-device song matching? It also keeps history on device. Getting that data out of the app might be a little tricky, but should be possible.
- tiagod 2y agoPerfect is the enemy of good. I've found it's much better to get a project up and running as an "MVP" than to chase the perfect until the details suck all the fun out of it.
- bilalq 2y agoI don't see what that has to do with what I said. Chasing an MVP doesn't have to involve disrespecting people's privacy and recording without consent. There are many worse violators than this, but it is what it is.
- jbullock35 2y agoIt's a very public place in the United States. It's not clear that people should expect or be entitled to much privacy in these public places. We also know that, regardless of the degree of privacy to which people should be entitled, they're not legally entitled to much privacy in these places. Federal court rulings have been extremely clear on this point. In these places, we don't even have the right to not be photographed.
- williamabboud 2y agoThis is so freaking cool!! What a great idea and beautiful execution.
- disambiguation 2y agoThe next step is to place a few of these around, so you can map out which way which vibes are going.
- jperoutek 2y agoI love the styling of this page. Everything is so consistent. Sometimes you'll see someone with a similar retro approach, but rarely do all the page elements follow the style this well.
- squeegmeister 2y agoAwesome project. I'm mildly annoyed at battery bars not completely filling the battery at 100%
- the_arun 2y agoDoes Spotify/Apple has a page like this to show the trends on a Map? That would be cool. I guess they have all the data to do it. It will be interesting to follow the trends - live.
- shpx 2y agoSetting up a hidden microphone that is constantly streaming to a server that is recording it forever should be illegal, if it isn't already.
- buzzert 2y agoStart by frying ShotSpotter instead of this fun little project.
- erickhill 2y agoAmazing concept. I also really love the almost Apple Newton/Palm Pilot vibes of the UI, too.
- smoyer 2y agoYou sir are simply awesome!
- lethal-radio 2y agoThis is amazing. I really wish there was an Apple Music playlist that was live-updated I could follow. Cheers
- nullhole 2y agoheh, someone's music program didn't get the right track on the first search: 2:05 AM - DM - Yailin la Mas Viral 2:03 AM - Nota - Yailin la Mas Viral
- mathiasrw 2y agoI LOVE IT! I would love to see a "Playlist per day" so you can listen to the vibe of the city on a particular day and not just one song at a time. And really nice working making a visual attitude that burns into you memory...
- whatnotests2 2y agoAs a resident of the Mission, I approve of this.
- mulnz 2y agoI don’t believe it. Extreme doubt this isn’t some dude pickin tunes.
- ta93754829 2y agodamn this is old internet. love it!
- fitsumbelay 2y agothis rocks so hard
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- seizethecheese 2y agoNext step: make a radio station
- keepamovin 2y agoThis is such a cool vibe, thank you so much for this. We need more of this around the world - a franchise effort! :)
- segmondy 2y agoHacking is not dead, love it Walz.
- bartread 2y agoThis has cool and has made a grim, grey Tuesday morning feel a lot more fun. I would love to hook it up to a Spotify/Amazon Music/Apple Music playlist generator.
- Intralexical 2y agoI love this idea, and I also love the way the website presents it. Short blurb. Says what it is, how it's built. Then compares it to something you might already know about, to explain what it does. Lastly says why it matters, why it's cool, right before directly showing you the results in real-time. Very nice. Very cool project. And I honestly find it impressive too how effectively and naturally it gets the point across.
- laserbeam 2y agoLove this! It feels like the album art could make use of some cool dithering algorithm instead of a simple black/white filter. Something in the style of Return of the Obra Dinn.
- halgir 2y agoI hate that my first thought was "why isn't the apple music button monetized with their affiliate tag". Thanks for doing something cool for cool's sake.
- alex-moon 2y agoSomeone has rickrolled the bop spotter!
- ah27182 2y agoLove the setup. I’m sure one can make this using Apple shortcuts too since there’s a Shazam api offered in it.
- sebstefan 2y agoI think somebody spotted your microphone. https://i.horizon.pics/sBdj67jsX7 https://i.horizon.pics/sBdj67jsX7
- andsens 2y agoAgree with all the positive takes in here. Just wanted to add that the graphic design is chef's kiss. Especially the image transformation of the album art! Some of them are hard to parse and it almost becomes a game, and then there are others where it's clear as day that e.g. the band is posing for a picture. Also just recognizing covers that you know is fun.
- kitd 2y agoTIL about Shot Spotter
- boringg 2y agoOh yeah its been around for a long time.
- emsixteen 2y agoLove it! A piece of the sort of Internet that's largely gone missing. If anything I wish it could automatically add to <insert platform> playlists.
- Yawrehto 2y agoFor what it's worth, this is on page 6 for all-time HN everything, so congrats, Walz. Also, I'm curious how this would be different in other cities. What are the most commonly played songs? How does this differ from the typical lists (Billboard, for instance)? There's so much data here!
- boringg 2y agoAppreciate the website style. Reminds me of C&C for some reason or one of the OG RTS games - can't remember which one.
- jbl0ndie 2y agoGlorious. Excellent work @walz. Reminds me of the work of the artists in the now very sadly defunct https://fffff.at/ https://fffff.at/
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- Triphibian 2y agoThe hardest person in the Mission was the person playing Ed Sheeran.
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