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Nice hardware. They're down to swim goggle size. Then you see what Facebook wants you to do with it - see screens in front of you all the time. One with Facebo
by Animats 2y ago
Nice hardware. They're down to swim goggle size.
Then you see what Facebook wants you to do with it - see screens in front of you all the time. One with Facebook's "Recommended" page, and a video of some talking neckbeard. There's a feeling of "we were promised virtual reality, and all we got was talking heads of influencers." The hardware apparently has GPS, but that's turned off. So, no Pokemon Go yet. Not even Hyperreality.[1] It's all about ads and clicks.
It can't draw dark. The workaround seems to be to dim out the world and draw light overlays, like almost everybody else. Will it work in bright daylight?
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
- alexfromapex 2y agoIt's so sad they felt okay with unveiling these with the horrible aesthetics and no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoI mean they are prototypes, not available for purchase. Presumably they can clean up the aesthetics and provide privacy guarantees around it when it's actually for sale. It's just to show what's possible, and to presumably jump the gun on their competitors
- moralestapia 2y ago>no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy Elaborate. Do you mean this with regards to the data that users will generate when using the device? Or the privacy of the people around the wearer?
- gorjusborg 2y agoI could not care less about the the privacy of the weirdos who will try to wear these in public. I care deeply about the further normalization of surveillance capitalism. I try hard to be kind, but I will have very little patience for any individual who wears always-on cameras that infringe on my privacy. I don't use social media for a reason. Meta just wants to sell surveillance devices so they can collect more data, and will try to convince us it is for our benefit.
- fennecbutt 2y agoYou do realise you can be filmed openly in public places, right?
- anonzzzies 2y agoNot in all countries.
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- moralestapia 2y ago>the people around the wearer
- jmb99 2y ago> I don't use social media for a reason. Do you not consider HN social media?
- kristiandupont 2y agoI don't.
- gorjusborg 2y agoI don't. Not funded by ads, not about building a network of 'friends'. I consider HN more of a link sharing site.
- signatoremo 2y agoHN is an ad for YC. The Y logo featured on every page. HN is as much social media as any other platforms: traffic driven by popularity, echo chamber, bias, or algorithm. HN is not a link sharing site. The links aren’t organized by natural order such as the alphabet. You aren’t here for the links, but for the comments.
- hadlock 2y agoThe press release says "unmistakably a pair of glasses". The fact that you're complaining about the aesthetics and not wether or not they're glasses is a testament to the generational leap they've made here. Apple's VR goggles are glasses with "rendered" external pass through. These actually fit the traditional definition of glasses. And yeah like in the future, these will shrink in size. Probably by half in five years. Remember in 2018 when we were wondering if we'd ever have the compute available to do "inside out tracking"? Now it's expected as a minimum requirement. How far we've come.
- mr_toad 2y ago> The press release says "unmistakably a pair of glasses". They look like what army personnel used to call “birth control glasses”. Only extra thick for added protection.
- SoftTalker 2y agoIf you wear these you won't need to worry about birth control.
- thehappypm 2y agoPretty sure the talking “neckbeard” is a video chat..
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoI think the preferred term is contentpreneur now, not influencer.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago[flagged]
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2y agoI'm never gonna remember that
- brk 2y agoYou won’t need to. If it’s a thing it’ll be in 10,000 SEO spam headlines, on every other social media everything and repeated on TV newscasts and 1 out of every 2 podcasts.
- girvo 2y agoFor some reason I read that as "con-trepreneur" and thought "yeah that fits much better" until I re-read your comnment.
- relwin 2y ago"contentrepanation" - bore a hole into your skull via content.
- noisy_boy 2y ago
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoFurther evidence to the truth of this: The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. –Jeff Hammerbacher Oh lament! for what, not just the future, but the present, could have been. Edited to add: But! Even as I have just written that and stand by it, I just don't know if humanity could have done it any other way. One must sell their soul to 'the green', even just a little, to have the time and space for the kind of creativity that will create a better future. Will we forever have to wade, neck-deep, through trash to find each tiny piece of the puzzle that, when enough pieces are put together, forms at least a picture of a brighter future?
- bozhark 2y agoIf they were the “brightest minds” and they applied their abilities towards advertisement, then they were not the brightest minds.
- gibolt 2y agoIf it got them financial stability for themselves and family, then it seems like it worked.
- speed_spread 2y agoIt's like binoculars, The brightest minds see further but they also have immense blind spots that leaves them exploitable.
- sfink 2y agoVHS, the early internet, video compression, and other advances were driven by porn. Now it seems like ads are driving everything. (Sure, including ads on porn, but I highly doubt porn dominates the ad market overall.) It seems like the widespread adoption that drives and is driven by technological progress always comes down to catering to some base urge. I guess if you zoom out, everything is driven by base urges, just more or less directly? So far, the puzzle pieces have always been found in the filthy heap of slop the feeds our primitive brains. We have not yet elected someone because they're the wisest, best fit for the position. It's always the person who can stroke our egos and soothe our fears, who lies with a smile that we choose to trust even when we know it's a lie. It's always a lie. We buy the product that makes us feel best to buy. Sometimes these happen to momentarily coincide with our best interests, but usually not, and never after the competition for our eyeballs and gonads has been minmaxed. Rational superiority is never the deciding factor—even when we convince ourselves that it is, it's that conviction that makes us feel good and determines our action.
- moralestapia 2y agoEven if it turns out that the only application of this is to show ads (which will not be the case), the hardware alone is a monumental achievement of engineering. I would love to see ads on these, at least once. In contrast, I've never had any interest to even try Apple's VR headset. This is one of the most well-put v1 products ever. Avoid the MKDBHC trap (or however it's spelled). Innovation beats cynicism, every day.
- dexterdog 2y agoHow is this a v1 product when they have oculus?
- bozhark 2y agoVR vs AR
- moralestapia 2y agoIf you watch Zuck's product reveal video, he explains how it's almost a completely different tech-tree. There's a reason why there's no other similar device on the market right now (i.e. same capabilities). Also, the interaction through the arm muscles is just awesome (two v1s for the price of one :D). I've been waiting for that kind of UI for decades. Google actually had it developed about 10 years ago as one of their moonshot projects; but they also had Pichai already, who is dumb as a rock. I could believe he's secretly on the payroll of many competing companies, lol.
- Espressosaurus 2y agoAR and VR are not remotely the same thing. See-through AR and pass-through VR are not remotely the same thing. AR is much harder. They have quite an accomplishment with those glasses, even if image quality isn't great and they're still too heavy. I still don't see a problem that these solve at any price, which has been the enduring problem with AR and makes me bearish on if a next generation of these glasses is anything more than an expensive toy.
- tracerbulletx 2y agoAssuming you're talking about Rabbit and the Humane pin reviews, those products were garbage and a product reviewer should tell consumers they're garbage, that's literally their job. This isn't the same thing at all because A it's not a product you can buy which they have lied about to get anyone to buy, B it's actually impressive technology.
- srik 2y agoIf they get the hardware right, apps should surely fill in with better use cases over time. The Verge demoed a better scenario where orion picked up on food ingredients in field of view and displayed a smoothie recipe using them. [1] https://youtu.be/mpKKcqWnTus?t=236 https://youtu.be/mpKKcqWnTus?t=236
- archgoon 2y agoDo they actually provide applications the ability to access raw camera data? They don't allow that on the Occulus. They can only rely on 3p devs if they allow access to the hardware.
- sobellian 2y agoThis has been such a frustrating limitation of all the big AR platforms. For years, my company has wanted to make an AR app for a certain industrial use case that scans QR codes. Neither Meta nor Apple allow it! We had to give up and do AR on an iPhone instead. Think about that - the iPhone has more powerful AR than the Apple Vision Pro for every developer except Apple.
- mrguyorama 2y agoThese companies do not want to sell you a physical product, they want to own the platform that you are chained to.
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