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What are you gonna buy? Chinese tech? Iranian tech? Russian tech? Who do you want to be able to spy on you and compromise your hardware? Unless you can spin u
by tomp 2y ago
What are you gonna buy? Chinese tech? Iranian tech? Russian tech?
Who do you want to be able to spy on you and compromise your hardware?
Unless you can spin up your own fab (hint: you can't) you're dependent on a hegemon. US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets.
- frmersdog 2y agoI know that this is rhetorical, but I'm sure an analysis of which country is least likely to leave you exposed to the issues mentioned above could be done. I suppose it also depends on who "you" are, and the threat of communications compromise vs drawing the ire of whoever Israel decides to attack through you. I'm sure there are plenty of countries that would rather be bugged by the Chinese or Iranians than be complicit in a way that opens them to actual armed conflict. This is another danger of letting Israel swing its sword around without any sort of real condemnation from the US/West: the rationale for geopolitical multi-polarity increases in legitimacy. Pax Americana ends because allying with us doesn't save you from being used as a tool for ends like this. If speculation is correct that Taiwan is involved... Woof.
- seydor 2y ago> Who do you want to be able to spy on you I buy chinese IP cameras. China cannot block my bank account / employment / communications.
- dijit 2y agoAgreed. All this fearmongering about telegram and tiktok is weird. China can decide what it wants from me- I have no plans to visit or engage with regime; however my life is dependent on the US not thinking of me as interesting. So, the less I give to US companies, the better. Especially as, being a non-US citizen I have no right to privacy afforded to me in the constitution, and US companies can be forced to comply with the government in secret- much in the same way we consider that China does it to even part-owned China based companies.
- sfink 2y ago> Especially as, being a non-US citizen I have no right to privacy afforded to me in the constitution Say what? Ok, there is no explicit "right to privacy" anywhere in the US Constitution, but that applies equally to citizens and non-citizens. Whatever is in the Constitution applies to everyone regardless of citizenship, with only a few exceptions. And those exceptions don't have much to do with anything you might refer to as privacy. (They're about whether state governments can mess with you. And were I a non-citizen, it's the states that I would be worried about, given that many of them are actively trying to make things harder for non-citizens.) Unreasonable search and seizure, in particular, applies to everyone. The courts have repeatedly affirmed this. Unless you're talking about non-citizens outside US borders, or crossing them? That's much murkier.
- ruraljuror 2y agoThe concern over tiktok is not that Xi’s autocratic regime is surveilling you, but manipulating the algorithms in its large social media market share to foment anti-American (& anti-Israeli) sentiment.
- whatnotests2 2y agoIsreal is doing just fine, drumming up dissent, based on it's behavior alone.
- ilbeeper 2y agoRight. That, and a few hundred million petrodollars
- tracerbulletx 2y agoRussia seems totally capable of doing that just by paying people and using bots.
- ruraljuror 2y agoNo. Not at the scale of Tiktok.
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- darby_nine 2y ago> US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets. I imagine China is just as good in pretty much every way.
- nozzlegear 2y agoCan you expand? What makes you think that?
- bbqfog 2y agoHas China ever blown up thousands of pagers in someone else's country?
- sbarre 2y agoNo but they run "re-education" internment camps for their own people (estimated up to 1.8M people) in their own country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps
- antimemetics 2y agoWhile I don’t agree with GP, this is a weak argument > The United States leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_...
- nozzlegear 2y agoIt's disingenuous to compare prisons with internment camps.
- immibis 2y agoWhy?
- computerex 2y ago> US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets. EU maybe, but US/Israel are as good as it gets? PRISM? Literally China/Russia are more trustworthy.
- xvector 2y agoThe EU? Anyone remember Crypto AG? Switzerland, I guess, but Schengen Area regardless.
- shakow 2y agoMexico? Anyone remember Guantanamo? The US I guess, but NAFTA regardless...
- alext5 2y agoGuantanamo bay is in Cuba, definitively not part of NAFTA
- snovv_crash 2y agoThy was what, 40 years ago? China has their great firewall set up today, never mind their social credit systems, automated CCTV citizen tracking systems, etc. Russia has people accidentally falling out of hospital windows or drinking polonium tea. I don't think this is at all comparable.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoCrypto AG was uncovered and folded in 2018.
- _tik_ 2y agoI checked Wikipedia to learn about the Social Credit System, and according to the article, no such system exists as described. Most assumptions about it seem to be based on misinformation from Western media. Could you clarify what you mean?
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- foobarian 2y ago> Unless you can spin up your own fab Huh, which fabs does Israel have?
- toast0 2y agoIntel's fabs 28, 28a, and 38 are in Israel. They also do some assembly in Israel. Tower Semiconductor is based in Israel and runs two fabs there as well.
- ummonk 2y agoChina is the one major power that doesn't seem to engage in extraterritorial assassinations, so by default I'm more inclined to at least trust that the Chinese state won't ever decide to activate a kill switch against me.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoIsn't China the one country that actively sets up their own police forces all over the world? Aren't there numerous Canadians of chinese origin that China has abducted? I see news articles of Canadians being arrested for assisting China in these abductions fairly often lately.
- HappMacDonald 2y agoNo, I'm pretty sure the US does more of that than China.. Or if not "police forces" then just straight-up military presence.
- stanleykm 2y agoi think you need to be a little more critical of the media you consume
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
- nradov 2y agoExactly. Our concept of sovereign states has become outdated by advances in technology. Up until maybe 1990 even second-tier countries could make just about anything indigenously. It might be a little worse and a little more expensive, but still good enough. Today only China and the USA are fully sovereign in terms of having the capability to build the full spectrum of electronic, communications, and military equipment. (We might outsource some of that to save money but the latent capability and capital reserves are there.) Even with nuclear weapons, India, Russia, UK, and France are only partially sovereign. Other countries can barely even pretend anymore, and their freedom of action will continue to evaporate barring some drastic realignment of the geopolitical order.
- Sabinus 2y agoBecause of this, the geopolitical bloc groupings will get stronger. Friend-shoring supply chains will bring allies together and exclude belligerents.
- Y_Y 2y agoGood luck living without ASML and rare-earth mines.
- nradov 2y agoThe USA has extensive rare earth mineral deposits and mining is expanding. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/14/rare-earth-mines-00071102 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/14/rare-earth...
- implements 2y ago> Today only China and the USA are fully sovereign in terms of having the capability to build the full spectrum of electronic, communications, and military equipment. Not arguing, but I think China still relies on Russia for jet engines - though it’s making great efforts to become self-sufficient there. (Edit: high performance / high technology jet engines)
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- troad 2y ago> US/EU/Israel A bit of a false bundle there. The two groups are more like US+Europe+China on one hand and 'misc' on the other. Most people get by without depending on the technology from the 'misc' group at all. This kind of incident will hurt the Israeli tech sector individually, not some imagined US/EU/Israel tech grouping.
- whatnotests2 2y agoUntil you look at the cybersecurity industry players. Many big players are based in Tel Aviv
- troad 2y agoMany more aren't than are. Just because Slovakia is good at manufacturing cars doesn't mean that car manufacturing is dependent on Slovakia.
- flyinglizard 2y agoMany of those that aren't based in Tel Aviv probably have R&D offices in Tel Aviv, as do many of the tech behemoths which you use every day.
- account42 2y agoCybersecurity industry? More like voluntary malware industry.
- ilbeeper 2y agoIntel and Nvidia are still pretty big in tech, despite the latest fall in shares price.
- RantyDave 2y agoThere's a big difference between spinning up your own fab and unscrewing the back of the pager to see if there's a bomb in it.
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- sam1r 2y ago>> Unless you can spin up your own fab (hint: you can't) you're dependent on a hegemon. US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets. It's much easier to spin up your fab tech more so now -- than ever before.
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- gizajob 2y agoYeah but if you’re dealing with hardware with any kind of Israeli involvement, do you really want to open every single customer unit to make sure one of the capacitors hasn’t been swapped for C4? I think that’s what the poster was indicating. At first I thought yesterday’s action was deviously impressive. Now I’m starting to think it’s actually shortsighted and bizarre. It’s a declaration of war on Lebanon, and obviously a declaration of a war they think they can win, but no good can come of this action.
- charbroiled 2y agoIsrael and Hezbollah have been at war since October 8, when Hezbollah started firing guided rockets at Israel.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoThey have been at war since they were founded in 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
- charbroiled 2y agoThere has been a UN-brokered ceasefire since the later 2006 war. Minor issues have occurred since then, but October 8 was the first major escalation between the two in almost twenty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Counci...
- shwouchk 2y agoIf you want to run with this argument, they have been at war since 1948, when all of Israel's neighbors including Lebanon invaded Israel following the UN vote to grant Israel statehood and Israel's declaration of independence.
- shykes 2y ago> It’s a declaration of war on Lebanon A few observations: 1. This is an attack against Hezbollah, not Lebanon. The two entities are tightly coupled, but they are not the same. 2. Israel and Hezbollah are already at war. 60,000 Israelis have been displaced because of Hezbollah ongoing rocket and missile attacks. Israel has retaliated in various ways. TLDR: you can argue that this is an act of war against Hezbollah. But it is not a declaration of war, and it is not against Lebanon.
- paganel 2y agoWe’re all buying Chinese tech one way or the other.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoSwiss sounds reliable, but a Swiss communications company was also bought and compromised by the CIA since the 70s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
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- lukan 2y ago"US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets." I really hope you are wrong about the conclusion.
- lukan 2y agoTo clarify, obviously I rather live in the EU than in china, but if this system is as good as it gets, then I am quite sceptical for humanities long term survival.
- thiagoharry 2y agoI am not aware of chinese or iranian devices exploding and killing people. Spying is not worse than spying and killing. I do not get how do you get the conclusion that US/EU/Israel is as good as it gets if you are a random citizen not from any of these mentioned countries.
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