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I wish I didn't miss the '90s-00s internet

• voidfunc 2y ago
  Nerdy teen laments being born too late. I remember when I said I regret not being born in the 70s because I missed the 80s. Oh before that it was the 60s and I missed all those Dad Rock err Classic Rock acts. Live your life, not the one you think you should have had.
  • ranger_danger 2y ago
    Hilarious given the second sentence is: I am not one of those people who think they were “born in the wrong decade”
    • zorrolovsky 2y ago
      Exactly... the whole point of the post is to elaborate on the problems of the modern internet (addiction, fakeness, shallowness...). It's not a subjective nostalgic rant but a good analysis of everything that's wrong with today's internet.
  • Rinzler89 2y ago
    I don't wish I was born earlier. I wish I was born later to have had access to the much better mental, dental and healthcare in my childhood than what was available back then.
  • ocean_moist 2y ago
    I generally like being born in 2006. Before iPad kids and such. We had the Wii and other nice things. I am also at the age where I can take advantage of the shift towards AI and related technological advancements. I talk about this in the second sentence. I just think the internet is much worse than it was.
    • voidfunc 2y ago
      The internet is different, I hesitate to say worse. Yes advertising is constant, but it's not like the old internet was free of it. We had banners and bullshit galore. The monetary model has changed for sure but that was inevitable. The 90s internet was slow. Stuff like IRC and email are a product of their time. Stuff was designed to work on 28 or 56k modems. The lucky few had ISDN. I don't miss the old internet that much. I miss some of the apps and the stripped down low bandwidth UX of stuff. What I really miss is th era of native desktop applications that had a consistent look and feel.
      • muwtyhg 2y ago
        > We had banners and bullshit galore. The problem now is not the visible aspect of advertising on the internet. It's the obsessive tracking and categorization of people to make advertising more effective that I'm upset with. There was no such apparatus in the 90s/00s. Most legitimate websites wouldn't be plastered with banner spam, but all legitimate websites now will attempt to track you.
      • paulpauper 2y ago
        banners are way preferrable to the annoying video ads or ads that pretend to appear as content.
    • Swizec 2y ago
      > I generally like being born in 2006. Before iPad kids and such I was a high school senior in 2006. Growing up with computers becoming exponentially faster and better every 6 months was freakin’ amazing and I’m happy to have seen it. > I am also at the age where I can take advantage of the shift towards AI and related technological advancements Me too! This shift comes every few years. The first successful mass deployment of modern AI technology was in the 1970’s when the post office started using computer vision to route mail. The shift to AI that I got to see was Google. That was amazing. Big fan of the current LLM shift too, of course, but it feels less magical than Google did. A little because I understand it better, a little because it benefits me less personally than Google did. Feels more like a marginal improvement whereas Google felt like omg everything is different now the olds are so behind the times they can’t even comprehend!! But I think it’s more that the big shift happens with your newfound ability to grok things, leverage information, and get shit done in your late teens / early 20’s than the actual technology available. Whatever new tech happens around that age will feel like a profound hugely impactful change in the world (but it’s actually you, not the tech). > I just think the internet is much worse than it was It is. And also it isn’t. Depends where you go and who you talk to.
  • runjake 2y ago
    I was born in the early 70s and lament missing the computers of the 60s and the genesis of usable UNIX. So it goes.
  • tdeck 2y ago
    The second sentence of TFA: "I am not one of those people who think they were “born in the wrong decade”, I think I was born at the perfect time to take advantage of superlinearly growing technological advancements."
• andrewstuart 2y ago
  Funny post, pining for the days of old that he never knew. I was there and I'm glad its past. The computers were slow. Microsoft ruled the day, which was fine for me because I was a Microsoft fanboy back then. The software was unsophisticated - any time you wanted to push the envelope you'd often hit some fundamental barrier because the software just wasn't there yet. Things crashed - alot. I own a ton of vintage computers but I don't use them, because why would you want to? I'm certainly glad I witnessed all that first hand since 1979 but wouldn't want to go back.
  • voidfunc 2y ago
    > Things crashed - alot. The program has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown.
  • j4coh 2y ago
    Why own a ton of vintage computers that you don’t want to use?
    • andrewstuart 2y ago
      Exactly.
  • kevinventullo 2y ago
    Things crashed and autosave hadn’t been invented.
    • planb 2y ago
      Things still crash and autosave saves the stuff that you want to undo later but cannot...
  • ls612 2y ago
    I want today's hardware with the internet of 2012 or so.
  • fulafel 2y ago
    You had Macs, Linux and Unix workstations in the 90s. And before the graphical browser era anything with a terminal program (eg Amiga) worked fine for internet related things.
• dlevine 2y ago
  I lived through that time (was in high school and college). It was pretty neat to read about the Internet and web browsers in Newsweek, but we didn’t have it at home for a few years. Then it was just a 28.8 dial up connection that dropped randomly. It wasn’t until I got to university that I had a real broadband connection, and even that was slow compared to what I get on my phone today. Programming (for me) was mostly basic and a bit of C, although I never totally figured out pointers. By the time I got to university, we had early versions of Java and HTML. That time was fun, but right now is fun in different ways. The tools are much better. Computing is massively cheaper. Laptops weren’t nearly as good as desktops until the early 2000s. Also, you couldn’t do much with AI back then.
• vbo 2y ago
  I miss the 00s internet. I miss IRC and geeking out for the sake of it. Maybe i'm just missing my younger years, but I think there was a distinct feeling back then, of wonder and being amongst the first to tinker with these promising technologies that were going to change the world for the better and now it's 2024 and we've screwed it all up.
  • gipsies 2y ago
    In the future people might think the same about Bitcoin and AI.
    • darthrupert 2y ago
      I already think like that of the first years of Bitcoin. It had the same energy.
      • Saturnial22 2y ago
        I miss when "fed-pegged lightning side chains" peddled by Blockstream, Luke, Greg et al was the biggest load of buzzwordy self-serving bullshit in the space.
      • AlexandrB 2y ago
        It did. I'm not sure AI has this energy. We quickly skipped the "early tinkering" phase of AI and jumped straight to the annoying "let's put this technology into everything" stage like the blockchain craze of ~2018+. Perhaps the difference is how "top-down" AI has been. Most of the push has come from massive companies trying to get people to use it instead of people finding it organically.
        • SkyBelow 2y ago
          >We quickly skipped the "early tinkering" phase of AI Was it skipped, or was it spread over many decades with AI winters interspersed throughout?
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• Barrin92 2y ago
  When it comes to technologies or cultural periods there's usually a Goldilocks zone where new developments open up possibilities for people to participate but complexity and the usual market capture hasn't yet set in. Basically points where ideas are up for grabs and the culture is especially dynamic and the barrier to entry is low. For computing and the internet I think the author is spot on. The late 80s to mid 2000s had that these kinds of features. For electronic, rock or punk it was probably the 60s to 80s. I don't really like the relativism of writing people just off as nostalgic in this case funnily enough applied to both people too young or too old. There really are time periods that suck and some that don't. An interesting observation is that there are very few, if any Gen Z hackers or founders comparable to say Carmack or entrepreneurs like Zuckerberg. Virtually every tech company today is run by Gen X / Millenials. Maybe reflecting that the "product culture" Gen Z grew up in has resulted in not very technology oriented social media businesses. Maybe a little bit uncharitably put we went from young people writing Doom and PageRank to bored ape nfts being hustled on Discord servers.
  • ocean_moist 2y ago
    > There really are time periods that suck and some that don't. An interesting observation is that there are very few, if any Gen Z hackers or founders comparable to say Carmack or entrepreneurs like Zuckerberg. Virtually every tech company today is run by Gen X / Millenials. Maybe reflecting that the "product culture" Gen Z grew up in has resulted in not very technology oriented social media businesses. AI (LLMs) represents a platform shift on a large scale and I feel the environment is similar to that which birthed Zuckerberg type entrepreneurs. I think in the next 5 years Gen Z will have its heyday in terms of tech startups... At least, that's what I tell myself. Yeah, I agree the Web3.0 stuff was overhyped--not really a platform or thinking shift. There are a lot of black-hat hackers who are Gen Z, because generally only young people take risks like that while simultaneously having the skills to get paid a tech salary.
  • Karrot_Kream 2y ago
    > I don't really like the relativism of writing people just off as nostalgic in this case funnily enough applied to both people too young or too old. It's not a relativism as applied to a specific technology, it's a relativism as applied to development as a whole. The 60s-80s represented a flowering of semiconductor applications, before which we had a huge period of radio and telephony experimentation. Each era had its low-hanging fruit ripe for innovation which became a mature, hard-to-innovate technology in the future. There's new trends out there now. On the creative side of things, bloggers, artists, and influencers are toppling the old ideas of media empires and stodgy publishing houses. A Soundcloud god can sell out a stadium and virtual avatars are filling concert halls. Non-web-tech fields like climate tech are seeing crazy investment throughout the globe. It's true that webtech now is seen as a safe, stable, lucrative career but there's always something on the bleeding edge. It just might not be your thing and that's okay, that's what the kids are for. Or, pivot your career and try something new if that's what you want.
• kazcaptain 2y ago
  Dial-up connection, ICQ, and 10mb files left to be downloaded through the night were my connection to the world. I so badly wanted that future of the Internet, but somehow we ended up in a place where corporations ate it all. Is it nostalgia, or is there something more? Who knows at this point. I’m 30.
  • JohnMakin 2y ago
    I’m not that much crazy older than you, but I do remember well being a teenager at the peak of the dotcom craze, being a heavy internet user, and even back then having a vague feeling that the ad riddled, desperately monetized (and shitty) websites built on the back of mostly investment capital run amok felt a little shitty as an end user. It’s hazy now and lost to time (the internet is not actually forever it’s like ~10 years old at most now) but i vividly remember pages that became harder and harder to navigate because of invasive ads, and sites that’d somehow embed malware on your computer that’d spam you with weird porn popups when your parents used the machine - it all feels vaguely similar to now, albeit much sleeker. Adware in my opinion is bordering on malware to the point I find the definitions indistinguishable. It collapsed then for good reason, and IMHO similar conditions as to now. I don’t want to live through that as a fully grown adult with a tech career now, and it worries me a lot. What arose from the ashes of that bubble event became great so maybe a reset is needed, but for me personally, it’d be a disaster.
    • echelon_musk 2y ago
      > the internet is not actually forever it’s like ~10 years old at most now The internet has existed for longer than the web which is already 30 yrs at this point. Not sure I catch your point that it's 10 yrs old.
      • Izkata 2y ago
        They're talking about a very similar idea as the article, that the early internet is disappearing as everyone moves to new stuff.
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• KingOfCoders 2y ago
  Been there, got on the internet ~90 (pre-www), my first web page ~93, first web coder job ~95. I do think it is overglorified (the web-part) - 80s BBS were more of a wild world with excitement to me. What I did love though was getting on IRC, sitting in front of an amber VAX terminal late at night till morning, talking to people across the world. Reading NEWS and discussing things with people around the globe. What an eye opener for me.
• paulpauper 2y ago
  The internet nowadays is run by gatekeepers, as traffic is increasingly funneled though a dozen or so popular sites. If you get banned from Facebook, twitter, Amazon, reddit, youtube etc. you're SOL. You either have to use in read-only mode or make new account and hope they do not notice it is tied to the old one (also, you're putting all your eggs in a single basket). A social media ban is effectively a ban on the person if it's tied to a real name/identify. The only people who get to use social media to its full capability are those who have the connections or clout to negotiate/dispute the bans that are inevitable.
  • tayo42 2y ago
    After myself being banned, it is a weird experience. There is no recourse if you think it's unfair. There are more niche places, but it does get strange seeking out this tiny communities online
  • anthk 2y ago
    Twitter.com -> xcancel.com Youtube.com -> invidio.us Reddit -> teddit.net or gopher://gopherddit.com And so on.
  • tim333 2y ago
    I have multiple accounts on fb, twitter, reddit, maybe youtube. It's not that big a deal in practice. And it's quite unusual to get banned unless you do something quite bad.
• INTPenis 2y ago
  The only thing I miss from the 90s-00s was the fun we had on IRC. And that was mostly due to our carelessness and youth, so I think I'm good in this future. The funny thing is I'm still on IRC, with about the same size channel, but everyone is "new" and we're all old. I don't have any contact with the peeps from IRC back then.
  • jhy 2y ago
    What IRC network(s) do you like nowadays?
    • INTPenis 2y ago
      I'm on a private one with local friends that I met through hacker spaces. The rest like indymedia, libera, oftc are mostly to stay updated on tech and ask questions about tech.
  • Gigachad 2y ago
    I was a big user of IRC in the past, owned some channels that had thousands of daily messages, IRC may be mostly gone, but the experience and vibe is still as alive as ever on other IM apps. They all essentially work the same as IRC did but with modern bells and mobile support.
    • meiraleal 2y ago
      It is not the same. For me the magic of IRC was to not be online all time. People needed to actively connect and join the channels every day
      • Gigachad 2y ago
        You still can use it that way. I don't read the backlogs of large chats. I just talk to the people actively there in the moment. It's pretty much the same as it was but you don't get the spam of "Hey, anyone online?" on low activity groups like you used to.
• Bedlow 2y ago
  well I was around then and am around now and yeah, still writing a blog that is in no way monetised or SEO prepped. I do use OG for better search & share but thats it. built first websites en of 90s, started on Blogger in 2003 and if I had not done that I would not have done the webdev and video knowledge of my tech pivot. That changed my life and made possible everything I have done since.
• bottlepalm 2y ago
  AI has me super jealous of how quickly kids can learn things today. Back in the 90s banging you head against the wall trying to get the simplest things in Linux to work, and trying to learn programming from a book with minimal resources online. It was 'hard mode'. I'm glad I was there to appreciate what we have today, but not sure I'd want to go back to that.. though I would like to play some Quake deathmatch again on a populated server.. There are still lots of underground nooks and crannies of the internet today, arguably more than ever. It's what you make of it, and where you choose to spend your time.
  • paulpauper 2y ago
    yeah but it also meant that the job market may have been easier, lower barriers to entry
  • bigstrat2003 2y ago
    > I'm glad I was there to appreciate what we have today, but not sure I'd want to go back to that.. I would. Having the answer handed to you doesn't actually teach you much. It's the struggle to figure out the answer that makes it stick. The kids today who can just get easy answers from AI aren't going to have anywhere near the skills we do.
    • bottlepalm 2y ago
      The problem is you struggle to hack together a sub optimal solution because you don't have the resources to figure out anything better. It didn't make me better, it was a waste of time. Remember experts exchange? Uhg.. Today I can quickly be productive in unfamiliar domains, and learn while asking questions to an AI that is available 24/7, and and has an extremely deep knowledge of so many things. Personally even as an experienced programmer I have learned so much in the last year, greatly accelerated by AI. Kids are going to be better off for it, and with it will achieve incredible things.
      • aleph_minus_one 2y ago
        > Today I can quickly be productive in unfamiliar domains Today, you can quickly get a shallow, superficial understanding of the domain that might impress some people who know barely anything about the respective domain. > and learn while asking questions to an AI that [...] has an extremely deep knowledge of so many things. ROFL
• carabiner 2y ago
  All nostalgia is a longing for youth.
  • svantana 2y ago
    but it ain't what it used to be
• hembarker432 2y ago
  Let’s fix it
  • system2 2y ago
    In your dreams. Corps are running the internet and small fish have no place to go but the social networks. I am surprised why forums even exist anymore at this point.
    • nonrandomstring 2y ago
      The Internet was dream once, back when giant telcos ran circuit switched copper line monopolies. It remains a dream today - unfinished work we still have not realised. Because it's not a thing, it's a social project. There's a line in "Leave the world behind" [0] where Rose says about Friends that it's feel is "nostalgic for a world that never happened" It's called "anemoia" [1] It's many things. One is that it's a way of expressing latent values that don't fit into the current culture. "Small fish have no place to go" is a comment on a perceived reality that misses (and so reveals) two important points; the Internet didn't change [2], people did. It's not a place you go, it's a thing you do and the attitude you bring to that. But ultimately the Internet is nothing but people connected by wires. People have moods we call "culture". Back then it was unbelievably optimistic and giddy. People wanted to reach out. Everything was ripe with possibility and fun. The OP is justified to wonder what it was like to live then. Now we know what kind of things are at the other end of that wire and it feels more like a dark forest. It's more than that people like me "just get older", the culture has palpably changed for the worse. Climate change maybe. It's become objectively more pessimistic and neurotic. Sure there's a few hold-outs, but that takes a lot of Prozac to keep up. Anyway, the future of the Internet is all about "small fish". That's all it's ever been about. [0] book: Rumaan Alam screen: Sam Esmail [1] https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/anemoia-nostalgia https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/anemoia-nostalgi... [2] Of course the Internet did change technically, it got much bigger, faster, cheaper, more reliable etc.
• soh3il 2y ago
  Man, I feel you. The old internet had this raw, curious energy that just isn’t the same today. That’s kind of what led us to create Bettermode. We still believe in that mission of giving people the tools to build, connect, and create something meaningful—like the good ol’ days but with today's tech. It’s not about looking back, though—it’s about bringing that same spirit into the future. We’re still here building towards that, even if the landscape looks a bit different now.
• 0dayz 2y ago
  The only thing that sucked about 00s web was the tech. Compared to today, I really wish that you could've had the creativity and general attitude of the 00s web with the tech of today. But I guess this is why I don't regret spending so much time on the 00s web.
• almost_usual 2y ago
  I was about 10 years old when I first started using the Internet (Netscape) in the mid 90s. Around 97-98 was really when I went deep into it mostly because of Starcraft. That led to battle.net which led to IRC and the rest is history.
• renewiltord 2y ago
  Haha it was a fun time. We had forums and blogs that people would visit. It was a blast. I still have a blog but back then I'd get random visitors from the Internet. These days not unless it's linked somewhere. Centralized platforms won the discoverability game. On the plus side we're never bored. But I'll tell you, man. Back then we'd comment with our real names on random blogs. And shit like that. Privacy and stuff wasn't really a big deal.
• 5350-uiop-1130 2y ago
  after hearing mark fisher slow cancellation of the future, i believed there was more to it than just an eternal september. there was a real utopian feeling of the early internet. one i remember. this was lost due to the commercialization and corporatization of the web. the internet began as a place for creativity, freedom, exploration andlater became dominated by profit-driven platforms, surveillance capitalism, and monopolies like google and facebook. neoliberalism turned the internet into a tool for consumption and data extraction, stifling the initial sense of openness and possibility, and replacing it with controlled, market-driven environments. this shift eroded the hope for a radically different digital future. and that is (part) of the reason i miss the 90s - 00s internet. the other side of it is the emergence of the complex web. where things that used to be simple are now endlessly complicated, and working on the web feels like building a jenga tower on a plane in turbulence.
• shakna 2y ago
  I'll go against the grain, here. I do miss a simpler time. I run some very modern hardware, with modern games and hardware. But I also play around with my GameBoy, maintain a DOS VM for writing my novels, reach for Lynx as often as Firefox. Simplicity isn't just an aesthetic though. I find it to be a requirement just for getting through life. I shouldnt need adblockers and popup blockers and consent optouts just to view a site. They're worse than the era of iframe popups. Granted, I am prone to overstimulation and get seizures when it happens. But that just reinforces what I already want. A space to enjoy what little life I've got.
• qiqitori 2y ago
  Social media is like TV zapping, just... probably more addicting because you're likelier to find something mildly interesting (to you). It's also described as junk food for the brain. Don't go there, instead spend time in the weird and fun niches, which are probably just fine still! (Note, even back then they had people who were wrong on the internet.) If you use Social Media sites sometimes, I recommend at least getting rid of "recommendations"/"sponsored" boxes. To see what that looks like e.g. on Twitter without installing an extension and keeping it up-to-date (cause Twitter keeps changing their stuff), you can try a bookmarklet like this: (javascript:document.querySelectorAll('div[aria-label="Trending"]').forEach(function(v) { v.remove() })) Not all is worse in this decade though. If you're actually looking to learn stuff that involves e.g. physically building stuff (rather than just doing stuff on your computer), YouTube et al. have improved that by a lot! (Of course, this kind of content can be addicting too. But at least you learn a thing or two!) Note: the YouTube of the 00s was very low-resolution and the comments often were really bad! (https://xkcd.com/202/ https://xkcd.com/202/)
• beloch 2y ago
  Some random observations: 1. Relatively few people were on the internet before midway through the 90's. BBS's were probably of greater interest in the early 90's. If you had a specific interest, there might just nothing online about it yet. 2. Dial-up sucked. It was slow, not terribly reliable, and it monopolized your phone-line. Many can probably remember dialing into their university and hanging up 10 times until they finally got a faster modem on the other end. (You could tell how fast a modem was by its handshaking sounds.) A lot of people first experienced the internet on university dialup, because home service wasn't there yet or was really expensive. 3. The late-90's internet was sometimes very difficult to navigate. Search engines generally sucked. Even if you had their inflexible syntax correct and had perfect search terms, their indexing was often just not up to the task. 4. Protocols were heavily balkanized. HTML and WWW were not yet dominant. There were other things too, like gopher. Gopher had it's own search engines... that sucked. 5. People actually used usenet to have discussions. Usenet really was better in the late 90's. There were enough people using it that you could learn some really interesting stuff, but it hadn't been rendered unusable by bots, spam, and copyright trolls yet. It was like reddit, but way geekier and far less comprehensive. 6. Chatting with people in real-time was a thing. Imagine discord, but text-only. You guessed it, that was it's own protocol :IRC. 7. In general, everything was splintered and needed it's own programs. You could talk to other people in a dozen different ways, and they all had their own protocols and programs. Nothing was truly dominant. Many here can probably still remember their ICQ number. 8. A lot of the awesome stuff we take for granted now just wasn't there back then. Wikipedia was not a thing. If you wanted info on anything local like restaurants, etc., you could just forget about it. Multimedia was rudimentary as heck because even just adding one 60 kilobyte image to your site would add half a minute to the load time for users on a relatively fast modem, and much more for those that weren't. Text was king! 9. Malicious code was truly hazardous back then. Browsers of the day were like natives of the Americas before smallpox arrived. They had no immunity at all. By the late 90's you could really F' up royally if you weren't careful.
  • 8bitsrule 2y ago
    Every now and then as I find a piece of scarce, non-trivial information on the net in a minute or 5, I stop to think about how long that would have taken 30 years ago. If I did have some appropriate physical reference books to look in, it might still take 15 minutes to an hour. But if not, I'd have to travel to a library (weather permitting) while/if it was open, find the appropriate section of books, read through the index or chapter titles, etc. and scan - in hopes the answer was there. Today, in some spheres (except e.g. those where the answers are still hidden) I'm much -much- freer to ask many more questions and deep-dive into subjects that, back then, I could only dream of learning about. Yes, I could read a book, if I knew the book existed. And where to order it from. And wait for it to arrive in 2 to 6 weeks. If only I'd had this 30 years ago. Hell, I imagine, what if I'd had this power as a child in a small town.
• alex1138 2y ago
  Let's be honest, one reason many of us loved it was because of Flash. Thankfully there's Ruffle for that, now Also, it would be helpful if Google hadn't steadily degraded their product. +words +that +must +be +included +should +have +those +words +in +the +search. Not "fuzzy search". Not "can't find my result even when I explicitly tell you". Which includes surfacing of more obscure sites (like what wiby/marginalia do now). (Which also includes censorship but that's a different story)
  • whywhywhywhy 2y ago
    Don’t know if it’s sad or sickening to see Google pretend it only has 10 results for a query when we all know every single query got 10k-1m results before they nerfed it
  • asadotzler 2y ago
    Flash was late, early 2000s when it blew up on the Web.
• bugthe0ry 2y ago
  Whenever I come across posts like this, I need to remind myself that it's actually a very small minority of people online who feel this way. Most people are perfectly happy with how the internet is right now and don't care for going back to things you used to do online a decade or two ago. On social media: today it's no longer even about ordinary individuals sharing their ordinary lives online like they used to 15 years ago. It's about consuming content around your interests (which includes entertainment). Very few people on my instagram make personal posts anymore (myself included) and when they do, they're few and far in between. It's all brands and content creators. I also think people's mentality has shifted and they no longer care about sharing their lives online. It was a new concept to many between 2006-2014 to be able to do it, and so many did. Now they're past it. It was interesting in 2008 to see that Johnny is currently sipping on a latte in front of his window. Now nobody gives a fuck unless Johnny is a celebrity. On scrolling TikTok-like feeds: not to glorify the concept but it makes it easier for the anti-social-medias to accept if you think of it as the equivalent of when your parents would get home, turn on the TV and start flipping through the channels trying to find something interesting to watch. TikTok and Reels put the TV in your pocket. 80% of the content on them is of no substance but occasionally a valuable post does come up and provide me with something I need/enjoy. The other day, I had a spontaneous date night because a reel showed up for my wife about some food truck nearby and she shared it with me (we went there an hour later and it turned out to be a good one - we're going again next week). P.S. it didn't even cross my mind to bother posting a snap of my meal as a story on IG :)
  • ocean_moist 2y ago
    > I also think people's mentality has shifted and they no longer care about sharing their lives online. I tend to disagree. I have a few hundred friends/people I follow on Instagram and I see people post stories and posts about their life all the time. People are generally trying to portray "Look at me! I have such a cool life!". This is how it is for young people. As for TikTok, I find myself scrolling with no end in sight. I think the studies on the addiction level of shortform content and its long term effects is going to be extremely shocking. I can watch an episode or two of a show, maybe 30m-1hr, and turn it off. But TikTok keeps me constantly stimulated and I can easily forget what I am watching and "doomscroll" for hours. With TV I make the conscious decision to watch it. With TikTok I have to make the conscious decision to not watch it or open the app. This may be a side effect of how my brain works, but a lot of young people have similar experiences. I think the main difference in our experiences is a generational gap in how social media is used.
• cjbgkagh 2y ago
  Was tough to get past the first sentence. I wouldn’t consider 18 the prime of your life, that’s still far too young to know better. The trope of old man yells at cloud should have the dual of young person thinks they have discovered something new. It takes a while to learn there is nothing new under the sun. Sure, normies have invaded the internet, but there are plenty of niches in various fields that are sufficiently avant-gard that even the most dissenting hipsters can still find a home. But it’s never easy, almost by definition such places are defined by their difficulty of entry.
• skydhash 2y ago
  I was late to the party (but with my country’s tardiness in anything technology, it was pretty much the same) as I started around 2010, but the one nice thing I do remember was how easy it was to find random blogs or forums about your subject of interest. Even though I was connected for only an hour or so a day, information was readily available although sparse. Now, we have more data, but it feels more like a humid jungle full of tarpits and biting insects. Even corporate sites have the slimy feeling you’d associate with shady sites that wanted you to update flash.
• femto 2y ago
  I was on the 'net pre-WWW and wrote my first web page in 1992. The thing that strikes me in hindsight is the hope everyone had. I looked forward to the things the Internet might enable. I looked forward to whatever was going to replace my slow dial-up connection. I looked forward to an always-on connection, so I could run my own servers. I do think the solution is not to look back wistfully at what was, as that's not the path to hope. Restore the hope by ignoring the noise (such as social media) and looking forward to what interesting things might be, as that was the essence of the early 'net.
  • ffsm8 2y ago
    I joined in 2003, so I'm probably around 10 yrs younger (born 88). From my perspective, the only thing that changed is that most millennials grew up and realized that their quality of life mostly peaked in their teenage years and that most will never be able to provide even a fraction of that quality of life to their offspring. It's honestly not really about the Internet itself, that's just a place where the same people ultimately communicate on. If they're hopeful in real life, they're gonna be hopeful on forums etc. I make this statement under the expectation that millennials are even now the biggest fraction of Internet users. Though I'd expect that to change within the next few years. I doubt the sentiment would change however, as the zoomers/Gen alpha will ultimately come to the same conclusions, as their prospects are even worse
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  • anal_reactor 2y ago
    > The thing that strikes me in hindsight is the hope everyone had. Precisely this. I grew up in a post-communist country and I can definitely say that the democratic transformation gave everyone a sense of hope. Sure, there was the ozone hole, but other than that, when people thought "the future" they imagined all the technological advancement that would not only make life comfortable, but also solve most of social issues. And then we saw the opposite happening.
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• keybored 2y ago
  There are enough problems right now. Wishing you were born in time to see Led Zeppelin in the 70’s? Before some mass-Web consumption turning point? No, being born in the 80’s/90’s was late enough for me. Some kids these days are so neurotic about their future outlook that climate change lives rent-free in their minds, worsening their daily mental health. Have fun with the ever-worsening Anthropocene, kid. I mean, we both will.
• dav_Oz 2y ago
  Surprisingly it is obvious for Gen Z that social media in its current form is highly addictive and destabilizing in terms of well-being because (usually framed as "mental health"). Since I'm older I had a more of a choice in terms of social media presence (and get away with basically none) the younger folks practically don't. Basically, I could have got "hooked" as my pre-frontal cortex was already fully developed and I kindly declined. Gen Z for the most part was confronted with the "choice" of small dopamine hits designed after the newest slot machine research [0][1] when they were underage. As others have pointed out the 90s-00s had its own limitations and frustrations so going back to that nobody is really nostalgic about that part but back then you had to at least choose video games (install it, meet the hardware requirements and get sufficiently proficient in it ;) ) to get to today's level of addiction which permeates mainstream online social interactions. [0]https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/social-media-copies-gambling-methods-create-psychological-cravings https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/social-media-copies-gambling-met... [1]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11245-024-10031-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11245-024-10031-0
  • donw 2y ago
    We are very careful with our kids in terms of they interact with technology for this reason. Raising luddites that can't type won't serve them well over the course of their lives, but neither will allowing them to become tap-and-scroll dopamine zombies. It's a difficult balance. My strategy will undoubtedly evolve over time, but I suppose it could be summarized as "permit supportive technology, aggressively deny anything else" Of particular note is that most, if not all, "for kids" content is actively harmful. The key to making things work is having a cohort of parents that have similar priorities. If the parents in your social group default to shutting Junior up with an iPad, you're going to have a bad time.
    • ericd 2y ago
      On the last bit, it seems like more parents are coming around to your way of thinking, and our public school system just sent out a survey about how hard they should ban personal electronics from our public schools.
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• bubblebeard 2y ago
  It’s refreshing to see a young person with such sound reflections about social media. This post made me reminisce about learning web development when I was 11. Finding resources online was tricky, especially since I didn’t always have access to the Internet. I got books from my parents, and not very good ones either, but I loved them all the same. I miss those days, when everything was more of an adventure.
• aaron695 2y ago
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• fzeroracer 2y ago
  I miss the 90s/2000s internet too, but I'm also realistic about it. Dialup sucked, search engines sucked, it was easy for random stuff to brick your computer and it was hard for anything you published to reach an audience. If you think ads now are bad, they were even worse back then. What people miss is the slower sense of community. Social media has removed all boundaries between smaller local communities and many people aren't interested in finding one. So a lot of people have local friends, and then the amorphous blob of people on social media that they throw posts into. But these things still exist. You can find forums with only a couple hundred users, or circles of blogs. There are IRC channels dedicated to niche interests. I haven't engaged with proper social media in years because I realized the above and just...left.
• grafelic 2y ago
  I am hoping and waiting for the 80s punk equivalent anti-SoMe counterculture to appear.
• maurits 2y ago
  I think I just miss being 14-ish when technology felt mesmerizing, and world seemed infinite because I was learning Pascal. Now I just want to wake up, have my coffee, and not read about some new machine learning framework.
• dackdel 2y ago
  check out nostr. gives me the feeling of 90's internet
  • aleph_minus_one 2y ago
    > check out nostr. gives me the feeling of 90's internet I'm not so sure about that: in the 90s, there was no social media.
    • dackdel 2y ago
      its just a protocol like irc. its not social media. its purely a protocol, nothing else. the first thing that has been built on it is social. IT itself is not just a "social media"
• singularity2001 2y ago
  The first time I entered a random chat in the 90s someone typed Italian and I panicked thinking it may be the mafia and unplugged the modem.
• stuaxo 2y ago
  Well, the clean, handed coded page posted is a good start. It's refreshing to see - I think the web got boring once bootstrap hit and everything started looking that way.
  • MrVandemar 2y ago
    It's not hand coded, but I can see why you think that. It's a Bear Blog, which has sane readable defaults.
• mark336 2y ago
  One of the things you didn't mention from back then was P2P file-sharing. I don't know when the RIAA won, but suddenly downloading mp3s was illegal. And now kids think that paying for iTunes songs was always normal.
  • haunter 2y ago
    > And now kids think that paying for iTunes songs was always normal. Maybe paying for Spotify which is dirt cheap and satisfies what most people are looking for What makes you think piracy is worse nowadays? We have more legal obtions but piracy is absolutely booming with high quality rips. Young me would have killed to have the whole Nintendo ROM library a click away and now I can just download it in 2 minutes. High quality: I don’t miss the old days of searching for music > no ID3 tag just file names > turns out my wholenight download was a peruvian pipe band not the one I was looking for. Every single torrent tracker has now better in quality options and absolutely no fakes
• leetsbehonest 2y ago
  Ah yes, the short period of time in human history where global connectivity and individuality coexisted
• boffinAudio 2y ago
  I've been on the "Internet" since the mid-80's, when I was lucky to gain my very first shell account on an Internet-connected system at the electronics assembly line where I apprenticed as a junior programmer, building test software and eventually the DOS driver for a locally designed and produced modem. I wrote a lot of software on that shell account, relying on access to USENET and my email address for a lot of the research and hand-holding that booted me from junior to somewhat competent developer. During the 90's, I set up and maintained my own Linux machine at home, pushing my 28.8k modem connection into service to put my little 486 on the Internet as a dedicated host, running Majordomo and mailman list-servs devoted to topics I was interested in - mostly music-making technology and the like. Those listservs (and also, of course, USENET) gave me access to a vast and awesome array of folks around the world, some of whom were my early guru's, some of whom became my nemeses, but most of whom were a part of a worldwide community of folks I knew I could rely on for an entertaining and educational hour or two, each day, of reading. (Some of those listservs still exist, but have gone into comatose, dormant state with the last decades' rise of social media..) Without question, I feel that the quality of the community is directly related to the involvement of that community in the methods used by the community to sustain itself - as the "AOL'ization" of the Internet occurred, the quality when way, way down. Yes, I was there that fateful September when the Internet was invaded by the hoards of unwashed masses. I still feel that phenomenon was a turning point in social community - it went from being a community, to a media. I also still think there is a place for these kinds of locally-built and run communities. I often wonder how viable it would be for me to set up and run another little box, locally, and invite some friends to join me on it, discussing whatever we want, through a shell-only account, or at the very least, using only email/listservs for distribution ... I think there's still a lot of room for that style of community building, personally, since: technology doesn't get old - only its users do.
• tessierashpool9 2y ago
  90s internet versus now is like eating steaks and potatoes with red wine versus chocolate and gummy bears with coca cola. even those who are hooked on the dopamine rush despise it cause it just makes you sick even after a few hours already. sleeping is the tolerance break and then you need it again like a chain smoker needs his first cigarette - but after a few rounds one already anticipates the hollowness it leaves you with at the end of the day. and it's not just the internet. the 90s and even more so the 80s were for sure the better time to be young (at heart).
• glimshe 2y ago
  I miss Delphi/C++ Builder for professional application development... :'(
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• pera 2y ago
  > There is neocites, and a small community of people who share this philosophy about the web (and that are relatively young), but I have not met anyone my age, in the real world, that would choose to do something like this. When I was a teen at least half of my classmates had some kind of personal website (trends changed very fast back then but for my generation it all started with geocities). The idea of making something unique and sharing it online was very fun. It felt like you had a lot of freedom to do almost anything you wanted. There were no expectations, no standards to follow, nor "successful" people to imitate. Probably my nostalgia is distorting my perception here but to me modern internet looks extremely homogeneous: everything seems to come from the same cookie-cutter, and the only degree of freedom you have is to either follow the formula for ranking higher or sink into the algorithmic oblivion.
  • veunes 2y ago
    The web was a diverse and dynamic space. Users were free to experiment with design, content, and interactivity without worrying about conforming to algorithms or best practices.
  • mglz 2y ago
    Well, the old internet was partially based on people knowing each other. Then the large players made it all about mass engagement. Maybe we should go back to linking your friends webpages from your own and have a small amount of readers.
    • bojan 2y ago
      I'd rather say in was based on common interests, and you'd go out of your way to find "your" community. I'm still friends with people I "met" on various phpBB forums 20 years ago.
  • madaxe_again 2y ago
    When I was a teen, most of my peers were not online and were not interested in being online, and actively derided anyone who even touched a computer without it being under duress - U.K., mid to late 90’s. A scattered few, usually those with bands, had a MySpace. I can count the geocities sites on one hand. A big part of what the author is lamenting for, and touches upon with his final paragraph, is the Internet of weirdos, before the cool kids and your mother also got online. It’s gone. September happened. It also still exists, in niches and pockets here and there - but the Wild West days are done.
• 7222aafdcf68cfe 2y ago
  I have been on the internet since the mid-90s and computers have defined my life , personally and professionally, since I was 4 years old. And still, this kind of messages make me uncertain about what to really think. There is a nostalgia for the authenticity of the earlier web, and I have felt that myself. Things were hard in the 90s, but maybe that is what made it feel more worthwhile. It is also true that a lot of the current internet is dominated by financial and corporate interests. BUT ! everything that was possible in the 90s is still possible today. Even more so. Access to technology and software has never been easier, neither has the opportunity to learn about pretty much any topic. We have access to the output of so many people in an instant. This can be liberating, but it can also be paralyzing. An ugly mix of FOMO and impostor syndrome making many of us paralized on most days and scroll for a quick dopamine hit instead. But what if we consciously choose to focus on the positives by focusing on what we feel truly engaged by, and to ruthlessly ignore the rest ? We can only make that choice ourselves.
  • aucisson_masque 2y ago
    This forum is literally the proof that old web still exists, its ugly but efficient. People there aren't chasing for social recognition or karma and genuinely want to share their opinion. And back then website were still chasing for advertising money, the popups and ads were absolute cancer. More than today. IMO the tool (internet) hasn't changed, it's the people using it who changed for the worst.
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      • tim333 2y ago
        Example? I see little woke stuff or politics in general here.
  • veunes 2y ago
    You've witnessed the internet’s dramatic transformation and I think that it's one of a kind experience
• ruthmarx 2y ago
  The reason I miss the net from that time is not due to web design, but just the types of people that were online. I'm too young to have experienced Eternal September, but it seems every generation has their own...well, the current generation probably won't. Nowadays you have every idiot spouting off half-baked opinions with horrible grammar and spelling, everyone arguing just to be right and not to test their own ideas, being ridiculously tribal, calling anything that disagrees with them fake news, etc etc. When there was a little more barrier to entry, the net was vastly better. As someone that cares about truth, fact and good faith discourse, I miss that time terribly.
  • swsieber 2y ago
    I mostly agree; but we are experiencing the Eternal September of AI and bots.
• i_c_b 2y ago
  I went to college in 1995, and my very first week of school, I was introduced to the internet, usenet, ftp, and netscape navigator. A few months later, I was downloading cool .mod files and .xm files from aminet and learning to write tracker music in Fast Tracker 2, downloading and playing all sorts of cool Doom wads, installing DJGPP and pouring over the source code for Allegro and picking up more game programming chops, and getting incredibly caught up in following the Doom community and .plan files for the release of Quake. Then Quake came out, and the community that grew up around it (both for multiplayer deathmatch and for QuakeC mods) were incredible. I remember following several guys putting up all sorts of cool experiments on their personal webpage, and then being really surprised when they got hired by some random company that hadn't done anything yet, Valve. There was really just this incredible, amateur-in-the-best-sense energy to all those communities I had discovered, and it didn't seem like many people (at least to my recollection) in those communities had any inkling that all that effort was monetizable, yet... which would shortly change, of course. But everything had a loose, thrown off quality, and it was all largely pseudo-anonymous. It felt very set apart from the real world, in a very counter cultural way. Or at least that's how I experienced it. This was all, needless to say, disastrous to my college career. But it was an incredible launching pad for me to get in the game industry and ship Quake engine games 2 years later, in many cases with other people pulled from those same online communities. I miss that time too. But I think there's something like a lightning in a bottle aspect to it all - like, lots of really new, really exciting things were happening, but it took some time for all the social machinery of legible value creation / maximization to catch up because some of those things were really so new and hard to understand if you weren't in at the ground floor (and, often, young, particularly receptive to it all, and comfortable messing around with amateur stuff that looked, from the outside, kind of pointless).
  • JeremyNT 2y ago
    Similar story here, with similarly disastrous impacts on my GPA. There was something magical about that time - technology was moving so rapidly and access to information was exploding. It was all so very early that it seemed like anything was possible for an aspiring computer nerd with a good computer and a fast internet connection. Of course, it was also really unevenly distributed. If you were on the "have" side of the equation - i.e. in a setting like a college campus, already working in the industry, or in the right IRC channels, with access to modern hardware - you could hop along for the ride and it felt like anything was possible. Otherwise, you were being left behind at a dramatic rate. Overall things are better now, because so many more people have access to data and resources online. It's trivially easy to learn how to code, information is readily available to most of humanity, and access to good quality internet access has exploded. But I can't deny that it was kind of amazing being one of the lucky ones able to ride that wave.
• haxiomic 2y ago
  A thread to pull on for anyone who misses this unconstrained creativity and humanness of online communities. It exists again, in a new form in VR. It's absolutely wild and fantastic and unbelievable. Perhaps start here https://youtu.be/hVWlgh8QP5s?si=z4RD6FnMpPGQYuem&t=1523 https://youtu.be/hVWlgh8QP5s?si=z4RD6FnMpPGQYuem&t=1523 And feel free to email (see bio) if you want to connect in there
• mattlondon 2y ago
  These sort of posts are getting tiresome. I now file them in my head alongside the same sort of mindset of the Amish - i.e. a rejection of modern technology and centering on some perceived "better times" in the past (for better or worse) I was there in the early-/mid-90s. Yes there was more "authenticity" but there was also a lot of crap (probably 50-75% of the self-published sites were essentially empty "welcome to my website! I'll add more soon!" type things) and critically there was a lot of stuff we take for granted today that simply was not there. It was shit compared to the modern internet when you think about what we can do now Vs what you could do then. Yes there were more frequently found self-published kooky websites, but even "professional" sites were done as second-thoughts and the quality/freshness was often low, and there was a whole raft of things that make our lives easier today that simply could not be done or were terrible (decent search engines, decent high-quality news sites, chatgpt, wikipedia, book flights or hotels, watch videos, github, stream music, order groceries, turn your lights on, view online maps, attend university, talk to your friends/family on the other side of the world in crystal clear HD video, have Amazon deliver something to your house on the same freaking day etc etc etc etc). A lot of the "old" stuff is there if you go look for it, just like in the 90s you had to go look for it too because Google didn't exist yet and altavista was shit. You don't have to read Reddit or Facebook or whatever in the same way you do not need to go and watch the latest shitty Marvel movie just because they released it. Be selective in your consumption.
  • 1dom 2y ago
    I think your post feels overly cynical. It doesn't seem to really address any of the points in the article, and it doesn't really give any examples to support your argument against it. > A lot of the "old" stuff is there if you go look for it, just like in the 90s you had to go look for it too because Google didn't exist yet and altavista was shit. You don't have to read Reddit or Facebook or whatever in the same way you do not need to go and watch the latest shitty Marvel movie just because they released it. Be selective in your consumption. Isn't this the point the original article is trying to make? All the good old simple stuff is still there (neocities) but now it's relatively undiscoverable to the average internet user, because big money interests exploit fundamental weaknesses in human nature for attention. > Be selective in your consumption. I feel like you're not really considering the nature of addiction. I agree with you these posts are getting a bit tiresome too. But I'd much rather they get more tiresome, and maybe lead to change vs letting the problems they're highlighting get worse. I was there in the 90's too, let's not pull up the ladder behind us.
• nutshell89 2y ago
  I think what's missing from a lot of these discussions is how much more commerce-driven the present day internet is over the 90s-00s. Social media is highly addictive and destabilizing in order to get it's audience to eventually pay for something in TikTok Shop, or view sponsored content, for example. Dark patterns were introduced to increase revenue or to get users to dole out their personal information for advertising effectiveness. I personally think that these sorts of changes were inevitable, especially since the development of internet-native payments infrastructure lagged (and continues to lag) the development of web technologies, as well as humanity spending more of our time on the internet — if the society revolves around accumulation and transfer of capital, the internet would eventually change to facilitate trade
• tim333 2y ago
  As a counter example I'm old and I prefer the internet now to the 95-00s. The problem I had back then was there was a lot of potential but the content was mostly junk. There's a lot of great content now.
• gmuslera 2y ago
  It is not just technology, but people, and culture, and mindsets, and more. I started in the local BBS arena and from there all the stages till now. And even something similar from the technological side is done, catching a critical, and big enough, and diverse community may be something short lived, as we live with the rest of internet, that is trying to grab our attention and set our agendas
• ChrisRR 2y ago
  I miss when ads were just a single banner image
• rainingmonkey 2y ago
  The vibes of the early internet are still out there, you just won't be directed there by Google or any of the other "social" silos. Gemini (https://geminiprotocol.net/ https://geminiprotocol.net/) is almost entirely made up of personal blogs where you can email the author and get a response. Perhaps Gemini is in its early days, like the web used to be, but maybe the format (NO styling whatsoever) is inherently resistant to commercialisation and commodification.
  • NikkiA 2y ago
    Gemini to me feels to be dying, every time I open lagrange there's another 10% or so of the default bookmarks that are perma-offline; and the sites like geminispace.info have fewer and fewer results
    • floren 2y ago
      Gemini is Markdown-but-worse over HTTP-but-worse. The modern Web and all its crappiness didn't come about because there's something inherently wicked in HTML and HTTP, it came about because people built things on top of the basic foundation, extending (sometimes poorly) and expanding. The more people play with Gemini, the more they'll want to "extend" it... and the closer they'll bring it to HTTP, because it follows the exact same fundamental model once you strip off the extraneous document format specification. Hell, there's no reason you couldn't serve HTML over the Gemini protocol, along with Javascript and all the rest. I've said before, if you want to pretend you're an undergrad in 1993, go play around on LambdaMOO or something else that actually dates from that time, something that's more interesting than shipping text files over "HTTP but the status codes are shorter". Hell, all anybody does on Gemini is write their "gemlogs" anyway, and if you want to publish short texts on a weird system that needs users to run a special client anyway... > @create $note named "blog post 9/11/2024" > write "This is the first line of my blog post" on blog > write "And this is the second" on blog > read blog
• aproductguy 2y ago
  Reminds me of this article from Salon published back in 2002: https://www.salon.com/2002/05/31/back_in_the_day/ https://www.salon.com/2002/05/31/back_in_the_day/
• mglz 2y ago
  If we want back the old internet we must build it. Create your own website, link to those you like, get in contact with the people running them. Mine is mglz.de, check out the link collection and get in touch about linking between sites :)
• AndrewSChapman 2y ago
  A better version of this article: https://vhsoverdrive.neocities.org/essays/oldweb https://vhsoverdrive.neocities.org/essays/oldweb
• mexicocitinluez 2y ago
  > born in 2006 not to be pedantic, but how do you miss something you never experienced to begin with?
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  • atlantic 2y ago
    When you miss something, you're not referring to the original experience, but to a memory of an experience. Memories being mental artifacts, it's perfectly feasible to miss an imagined experience. Hence the current wave of nostalgia for the Roman empire.
  • debugnik 2y ago
    I read miss here as "failed to be on time for", not as "long for". They specifically say "I wish I was around when [...]"
  • vegadw 2y ago
    I, born in '98, wrote something about being "nostalgic" for the 80's : https://opguides.info/posts/xx80/ https://opguides.info/posts/xx80/
  • ocean_moist 2y ago
    Like I literally missed out on that time period, like how you could miss a class or meeting.
  • f30e3dfed1c9 2y ago
    You're reading the title wrong. He means "I wish I hadn't missed out on the '90s-00s internet," that is, that he had been around to experience it.
• bayareateg 2y ago
  One thing that's happening currently that has been alluded to by other people in the comments is the rapid disappearance of forums. Instead of finding a forum dedicated to something you're interested in and getting access to a ton of structured, easily searchable information that has built up over time, things have moved to discord. Discord's primary advantage is real-time communication, which comes at the cost of structured, long-term, and (generally) on topic knowledge. This is not a good trade off, imo. Discord is also a social media platform, which in itself comes with issues common with modern platforms.
  • layer8 2y ago
    I’m curious what the general demographic preference is regarding real-time/chat vs. async/longer-form. I never much liked real-time/chat, even back in the times of IRC, BSD talk, and ICQ, and have always preferred mailing lists/Usenet/forums.
  • schnitzelstoat 2y ago
    I hate Discord because of that. Subreddits are okay, although I preferred the less centralised way of the past with the myriad vBulletin forums etc. But Discord is built to replace IRC, not to replace forums, yet people use it for the latter.
• tracerbulletx 2y ago
  I've been scratching this itch by getting into https://atproto.com/ https://atproto.com/ and https://activitypub.rocks/ https://activitypub.rocks/ the platforms are much smaller than the mainstream ones, but the older internet was smaller too. I'm not sure you CAN have something like the old internet above a certain user penetration, it will always devolve to grocery checkout tabloids and afternoon talk show without a filter.
• tolerance 2y ago
  “Live and let die.” — Kool G Rap & DJ Polo.
• h6do84go83b83 2y ago
  Nostalgia can be a “now” killer. careful with it.
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• shark1 2y ago
  It's the general feeling, I have been observing it. We are missing the personal touch, similar to what we had in small bookstores, cafeterias, and restaurants where, on each visit, we had a different experience, the walls reflecting the dedication (or lack of it) beliefs and dreams of the owner. The commoditization of social profiles, always packaged in the same way by a huge conglomerate, telling us all the time what we should consume, shaping who we are and what we believe by blatantly exploiting the dopamine sensors of our brain and other mental triggers to steal our attention at any cost. All of this is making us sick and desiring to reset it all, hoping that someone will do something to bring back the real fun and the creativity of the Internet on top of our search results again, and not lost somewhere in this sea of avatars resharing, reposting, forwarding and never creating anything themselves. The real good and fun Internet still exists, it is just much harder to find it.
• ddingus 2y ago
  I don't. I miss that Internet, and am always seeking bits here and there where it can be found and enjoyed. The other thing I miss from that time is USENET. So damn great, until it got swamped by noise. Some parts of it remain active today. Threaded conversation is fantastic. And it's searchable. So damn much can be found in the USENET archives. The modern tools we have today aren't the same at all, mostly super functional silos. Not bad. Also, just not very good! Finally, mailing lists. Those are still a thing, and like USENET, are searchable, high value communication exchanges. Reddit is a lot like USENET. And the original charter around the Aaron time was similar, basically by users, for users kind of thing. Now the enshittification is happening everywhere near constantly devaluing online discourse. The way I see it, those of us who do miss the great things about this early Internet time can keep talking about it, and one day, one of us, or one we talk to, will figure out how to reboot USENET for all of us to enjoy just as was done back in the day.
• graypegg 2y ago
  Maybe if I can challenge something a little bit, > What’s the ratio of followers to following you have? Are your story highlights organized and “aesthetic”? What reels are you liking? [...] > It has become so shallow, you can tell almost nothing about who someone actually is through Instagram or tiktok. You can only tell how they want to portray themselves to the general population and, by how they organize their profile, if they are eligible to be a part of your social circle. > [In the past,] There was little incentive to lie, to manipulate truth, and each blog entry or piece of information was tied to identity. (except in the cases of anonymity). There's this idea that the internet had a point where it was _universally_ genuine, curious and welcoming. I don't really remember that? I'm a sucker for rose-tinted memories, but I don't think I remember 00's forums NOT being social cliques. There was a lot of posturing, clout-chasing, and mean-spirited trolling. Your identity online was crafted from scratch for a particular space because you really could be as anonymous as you wanted to be. A pseudonym on an image board, forum accounts, personal sites, that pitiful amount of web space your ISP would give you, MMORPG account, MUCK profile, etc could all be totally distinct "people". Lying on a speed running forum about a time you got in a game. Making things online, just to dog pile on hating 1 particular person. The mean shit people said to each other on any IM platform. Cyber bullying was a word I remember being tossed around a lot in the mid 00's. The corpo vibe of things today sucks. Totally agree. But it's not like the internet of 2005 was this utopia of good vibes and positivity. It's never going to be that _universally_. Find your tribe eh? --- However, > Also, websites just simply looked cooler. Fuck yeah they did :)
• listenallyall 2y ago
  In the late 90s, I greatly enjoyed reading The Industry Standard every week. On paper. There are dozens of sites today that try to cover emerging technology companies, none do it nearly as well.
• p3rls 2y ago
  We just added an appeal system to our wiki-database for kpop at kpopping.com... There's lots of little projects going on that resemble the old web, you probably just don't hear about them because you're outside the niche.
• 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
  Not sure that old internet was better, it was too slow for the most interesting imagined uses, but unlike today's internet users were invited to imagine many possibilities for how it could be used. Today, so-called "tech" companies, basically incorporated websites that have reached absurd, unmanageable sizes and are used to do things people in the 90s and early 00s would never have imagined using websites to do, have attempted monopolise and commercialise all those possibilities. The internet has sadly become synonymous with the web for the majority internet users and this web is infested with middlemen, so-called "tech" companies, that refuse to honour that any internet user would ever imagine their own possibilities for usage of their netwwork subscription, e.g., non-commercial usage. These middlemen purport to determine how the network should and will be used. There is nothing left for the internet subscriber to imagine, no decisions to make. All usage is predictable, pre-determined by the so-called "tech" companies. They want internet subscribers to believe an internet subscription alone provides no value; all value resides in the middlemen that wait for subscribers on the network, lure them in, surveil them and serve them ads. To add insult to injury, they coerce internet subscribers into "subscribing" to websites! With internet speeds today, those possibilities some of us imagined in the 90s and 00s are now possible. The problem is so-called "tech" companies stand in the way. Attempting to intermediate anything and everything.
• jfil 2y ago
  I like Jason Scott's take on the nostalgic internet: it was a cosy place for people "in the know" and we miss being in a special club. https://textfiles.libsyn.com/the-nostalgic-web-episode https://textfiles.libsyn.com/the-nostalgic-web-episode The post's author also talks about how social media is different from the web of the past. This is a good time to point out the difference between operating on the Web and operating on the Internet. The Internet is just a client-server technology. The Web is about hypertext and making connections. Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn are on the Internet but not on the Web, because they penalize linking to the wider web. Blogs, search engines and Reddit are "Web".
• phendrenad2 2y ago
  I miss all of the quirky, smart people being online and none of the boring, mid people being online. We need a Net 2.0 where we can go and be weird again.
• tonyedwardspz 2y ago
  This post struck a chord with me. In keeping with it's spirit, I wrote a reply. https://tonyedwardspz.co.uk/blog/im-glad-i-miss-the-old-internet/ https://tonyedwardspz.co.uk/blog/im-glad-i-miss-the-old-inte...