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Brazil top court threatens to suspend X within 24 hours
- chihwei 2y ago[flagged]
- kccoder 2y agoWhich candidate/party do you believe will best preserve our first amendment rights?
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- jjulius 2y agoI bet that's just plain not true.
- tbrownaw 2y agoHasn't there been a pretty consistent rachet completely independent of which party happens to be on top at any given moment?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Hasn't there been a pretty consistent rachet completely independent of which party happens to be on top at any given moment? I'd argue no. There are elements sceptical of government power in both parties. (Abolish ICE, abolish the Fed, et cetera.) The problem is they're often married to a general distrust not only of the state, but of other people, to the point of being attracted to delusional conspiracies.
- jcranmer 2y agoUnfortunately, being a censorious dipshit is a thoroughly bipartisan pasttime. Personally, I believe the Democrats to be less strident in their efforts to be censorious dipshits, though I have to admit that the Republicans may prove to be the safer option... by virtue of being unable to get anything, which would include destroying First Amendment rights, done.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoPretty obvious that the left is pro censorship. Look at how they’ve abused labels like “hate speech” or “misinformation” or “disinformation” to censor discussions on controversial topics whether it is BLM or COVID or whatever. Look at the Biden-Harris administration pressuring private companies like Meta to do their bidding and censor speech. Tim Walz even said recently that there are limits in free speech, in what I felt was an implicit intent to undermine the first amendment. Unfortunately many on the left now like government enforced or corporate enforced censorship, and feel there is only one truth everyone must accept without debate. Free speech is a classically liberal value but is now viewed as a conservative value by some. The right perhaps has versions of this attitude when they want to suppress porn or whatever, but I feel it is less common as a viewpoint and also not as impactful.
- hexage1814 2y agoI truly hope Musk doesn't cave and the court blocks the site. Maybe this way more people will wake up to all the abuses, violations and honestly, crimes, happening in the country, committed by the Brazilian Supreme Court.
- wewtyflakes 2y agoIf you had ended that with "Twitter" (or "X"), rather than "Brazilian Supreme Court", the comment would have read just as credibly.
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- wewtyflakes 2y agoI am not equating the power or effects of the two, I am equating the sentence regarding abuse of power (that you said).
- scarab92 2y agoTwitter/X is easily has the lightest touch of the major social media networks. I don’t know why you thought it was sensible to mention two opposite ends of the abuse of power spectrum as comparable.
- wewtyflakes 2y agoA local sharp power versus a global soft power? Seems like an interesting comparison within the context of a reply to: "Maybe this way more people will wake up to all the abuses...". It is interesting because it is a contrast, yet still makes sense.
- ivansmf 2y agoCalling failing to show up or nominate a legal representative to a judicial hearing in a country that offers a ridiculous number of opportunities to appeal as "feud" shows some bias in reporting.
- mlindner 2y agoThe title is misleading. This doesn't mean the shut down of the website. Just suspending local operations of X, the company, inside Brazil.
- MiguelX413 2y agoSad
- matheusmoreira 2y agoX will likely be blocked in Brazil at the ISP level. And this judge-king is also known for threatening arbitrary fines totaling tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars against anyone making use of "subterfuge" to get around censorship. I wouldn't be surprised if one day he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and suddenly Brazil turns into the the first western country to outlaw civilian cryptography.
- mlindner 2y ago> X will likely be blocked in Brazil at the ISP level. That is not what is being discussed. That's just people on the internet saying that.
- matheusmoreira 2y agoIt was a prediction. Which came true less than 24 hours ago.
- FMecha 2y agoSources are reporting that they do threaten fines of R$50,000/day.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoBrazil has been on a path to authoritarianism, especially since the last election. Moraes, the justice issuing unilateral orders to ban accounts, censor people, and arrest them (for political speech), is drunk with power and doing the sitting government’s bidding. Twitter is right to fight morally, for free speech. But they’re also right to challenge it legally - their claim is that Moraes’s orders aren’t constitutional under Brazilian law. The NYT wrote previously how Alexandre de Moraes is a threat to democracy in Brazil: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/world/americas/brazil-alexandre-de-moraes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/world/americas/brazil-ale...
- matheusmoreira 2y agoSince 2019 when the "fake news" inquisition started. Someone ran an article on one of these judge-kings, and they basically gave themselves unlimited powers to investigate and judge whatever they want. Then the supreme court turned into a political party composed entirely of unelected individuals with direct power over police forces. That's the true coup. In case anyone wants context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoThanks for those links. I am surprised at what I am reading as it is worse than I thought. It’s also disappointing to not see these angles explored fully in mainstream media, as Brazil is a high population country with significant global economic ties, and this political shift is a huge problem for everyone.
- thiagoharry 2y agoNot explored because you are talking with a very biased account that publicize the discourse of the far right in Brazil. There is nothing illegal about what is being done. Brazilian laws allows removal of online content in case of hate speech, violation of electoral regulations, threats or for benefit of ongoing investigation. If you are in Brazil, you should obey Brazilian laws, and the same is true for any other country.
- Prickle 2y agoOn one hand, I do want more countries taking social media to court. However, in this specific case, it's been pretty clear that the Brazilian court orders send to X/Twitter. Specifically, some that order the censoring of specific individuals are illegal. (Some of these orders appear to violate other Brazilian laws) This is a hard one to really judge. Just a mess overall.
- geraldog 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41316512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41316512
- virgulino 2y agoIn 20 hours Brazil could join China, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Turkmenistan and Venezuela, as the only countries in the world where their citizens are banned from reading Twitter. We will no longer be allowed to read what Biden, Kamala, the European leaders, the hundreds of thousands of institutions around the world and 350 million fellow earthlings have to say. All this by way of the sudden and unappealable decision of a single judge this night.
- Xunjin 2y agoWhere is the decision not appealable? IIRC, X still can appeal to the entire supreme court about the decision.
- virgulino 2y agoX no longer has any business or legal representative in Brazil.
- Xunjin 2y agoIf they want to operate in Brazil, they do need a legal representation, it's literally the law.
- virgulino 2y agoNo, that's not what the law says. The law says that you need legal representation to be able to do business in Brazil. To sign contracts and pay taxes. Twitter no longer does business (i.e. doesn't sell ads) in Brazil. Twitter fired everyone and left Brazil a few weeks ago. Twitter is now like Hacker News. A billion-dollar American company (Y) that hosts user-created content, free to be used by anyone on the global Internet. Hacker News/Y does not need legal representation in Brazil.
- lobocinza 2y agoWhich law? No law says that. Also worth to notice that X closed it's office and fired everyone in Brazil because they threatened to arrest its employees which is absurd considering they have no administrative authority or technical capability to comply with those orders.
- edpichler 2y agoAlexandre de Moares is the president of the Brazilian Supreme Court, a selected group containing the most powerful individuals in the country. They are named by the president and once they are done, they never leave the position until they reach their compulsory retirement at the age of 75 years old. They form the highest court of law in Brazil for constitutional issues and its rulings cannot be appealed.
- Xunjin 2y agoThe president of the court is a rotation, right now is Luis Roberto Barroso.
- edpichler 2y agoThe Brazilians are so lucky to have individuals with unblemished reputation working hard to protect them against misinformation.
- edpichler 2y agoThe same court that removed the penalties of more than two hundred confessed criminals during the investigation "operation car wash" [1] It was the largest corruption scandal in history of human kind [2]. The criminals confessed their crimes due to the sentence reduction incentives of the 'rewarded collaboration' law. One of the most important requirements to get the sentence reduction is "you cannot lie, if you do, you lose everything". All of it, now, undone. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43825294 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43825294
- itsdrewmiller 2y agoI find your comment a little hard to parse - can you provide a link to something more specific about what you are claiming the Brazilian Supreme Court did that was corrupt? I didn't see anything obvious on the wikipedia page.
- frozenlettuce 2y agohttps://www.economist.com/the-americas/2024/03/07/corruption-is-surging-across-latin-america https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2024/03/07/corruption...
- edpichler 2y agoSorry, it's hard when it is not my native language. Yes, they are very corrupt. They are untouchable, and use the given power to their own benefit. The law is deliberately written very subjective so they can interpret and judge as it is convenient to them. They even use their power across their jurisdiction, which has been bringing debate in society lately. Politics is an exchange of favours in that environment. To have an idea of how it is, I recommend you to watch "Elite Squad II" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1555149/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1555149/
- hulitu 2y ago> Brazil top court threatens to suspend X within 24 hours Last i read X suspended operations in Brazil. What changed ?
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