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$50 2GB Raspberry Pi 5 comes with a lower price and a tweaked, cheaper CPU
- johann8384 2y agoI still think the OrangePi and BananaPi lines are a better price/performance ratio.
- spockz 2y agoThey are Some Intel N100 based boards in the pi5/OrangePi/BananaPi price range. They are more powerful and can have their power consumption capped to that of the Pis. What is still the value proposition of the pis?
- lnxg33k1 2y agoProbably other companies don't have staff offending people on social networks
- geerlingguy 2y agoThe Radxa X4 is a recent entrant and starts at $60. It has its compromises but is an interesting alternative with an onboard RP2040 providing GPIO.
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoI have an Radxa X4 on order, thinking it would be somewhat on par with other X4's. Your writeup is making me somewhat regret-im-advance this purchase. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/radxa-x4-sbc-unites-intel-n100-and-raspberry-pi-rp2040 https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/radxa-x4-sbc-unites-i...
- TiredOfLife 2y agoHalf of price is hidden in shipping fee. It's 60 + 70 in shipping + taxes.
- alias_neo 2y agoAs you said in your recent video though, it'd be more effort to use the GPIO due to the side-channel RP2040. I was interesting in looking at the Radxa Zero 3 after one of your videos; for an application where I need the Zero form-factor but more power than a Zero 2W, unfortunately a quick look at the Radxa forums left me with the impression I'd spend half of my time fighting with poor software and general board issues, and there's only so many rabbit-holes I have the time and energy to go down these days. Knowing you've tested a good selection of boards, can you think of anything in that FF that runs mainline Linux, or something close?
- guappa 2y agogpio
- jeswin 2y agoYep. With the popularity, one would assume we'd be able to get a CPU that's not a decade behind smartphones. Mine is now gathering dust; it's inefficient for the power it consumes.
- moffkalast 2y agoThe power consumption is genuinely worse than advertised (2x the draw of Pi 4, 3x the performance). The reality is a 3W idle minimum, 15W at full load, meanwhile the Pi 4 can idle at 1W and won't ever go over 5W. They're just about the same power per watt, the efficiency gains are zero.
- dandanua 2y agoFor a NAS, surveillance, streaming and alike I think old smartphones are more efficient than modern Pi and analogies. They also have a screen, battery, less heating and other advantages.
- prmoustache 2y ago> less heating I am not so sure about that unless maybe you mod them to extract everything from the original casing and add heatsinks and possibly a fan. Also from a safety point of view, you'd need to make sure those can still be powered up without their batteries as I wouldn't trust a +10y old smartphone battery on a device that is running unattended 24h/365d/year.
- jerrysievert 2y agoI have a couple of orangepi 5+'s that replaced a large, loud, power hungry server. with an attached nvme drive, iscsi connected over 2.5gbit ethernet, 8 cores, and 32gb of ram, they are quite capable. one is the primary database, another runs everything else in docker containers.
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- seanvelasco 2y agomy only issue with Orange Pi is that it can't run the Ubuntu images that work on the Pi, I have to use the armbian Ubuntu. i'm not quite for if the responsibility is on Canonical or the SBC manufacturer. i'm just saying it's one of the reasons why I have trouble getting started with the Orange Pi price-wise, though, Orange Pi is unbeatable. the Raspberry Pi has no business being more expensive than an Intel NUC
- jerrysievert 2y agowhile not perfect, this is fairly close: https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip
- forinti 2y agoI really like their H618 offerings with Zero form factor and 4GB of RAM. Plus the Banana Pi M4 has eMMC.
- teruakohatu 2y agoThis seems like a product for commercial/embedded users who are happy to shave off the cost of resources they are not using. For consumers and hobbyists this 2GB model seems like a bad value proposition.
- magicalhippo 2y agoEntire RPi5 seems like a bad value proposition. There several usages where 2GB is sufficient, but for most of those the extra capability of the RPi5 is entirely overkill. And as such it is overpriced. If you need the RAM then you're very quickly approaching N100 prices, and the N100 offerings give you way more expandability and performance. I just don't get who the RPi5 is for, except maybe companies using them in embedded applications.
- failbuffer 2y agoRPi has an ecosystem and great documentation. People use it for projects because every tutorial and YouTube video out there shows you how to get the job done with an RPi. There's a jillion expansion boards (HATs), hundreds of 3D prints, many ready to run OS images (selectable from an easy to use flashing tool), and even a first party camera module. The 40 pin GPIO header has stuck around unchanged thru all but the earliest hardware generations. Does the N100 offer that? There are more performant and efficient alternatives, but for many hobbyists, prototypers, startups, and students (or rather, their teachers) it's not worth the extra time/headaches/hassle to start adapting an rpi solution to non-rpi hardware.
- magicalhippo 2y agoYou completely missed my point. We already had the RPi4, and it was sold for $35 for the 2GB model. It was perfect at that. I had enough grunt, and 2GB was enough for a lot of use-cases. I still use mine for a lot of various tasks. One is my GPS-driven NTP server for example. Don't need lots of RAM for that, but do need the GPIOs. What I said was, I don't get the RPi5 value proposition. It's fairly expensive so not just something you throw at simple tasks like an NTP server without consideration. If you need grunt and RAM, well, why not just pay a bit more and get tons more of that? You get more PCIe, you get way more RAM, CPU and GPU, in a form factor that's not that much larger. And it's x86 so you're not facing the kernel support issues like OrangePi and friends. In my experience, there's very little overlap between "need hardware GPIO pins" and "need 8+GB of RAM and/or lots of compute".
- metadat 2y ago> : the launch of a new 2GB configuration of the Raspberry Pi 5, available starting today for $50. That's $10 less than the 4GB configuration and $30 less than the 8GB version of the board. I'll gladly pay the $30 for 8GB (4x) more ram. Pretty much every time. If it's really a low resource situation, I wouldn't bother with a Pi and would go for an ESP* system instead. Like everyone already does.
- tiagod 2y agoThere's a huge difference between an ESP32 and a RPi5 (even w/2GB of ram). If you're using it for some specific appliance that needs a decent CPU, USB, Video output etc, but only requires 2GB of RAM, I don't see why you would pay the extra $30.
- metadat 2y agoI just really like ram, fomo, don't want to run out. You're already spending $50 + tax, $80 for 4x more ram is a bargain. I grew up on machines chronically starved, think 16MB for Mac system 5-7, and 32MB for win98 :) (which leaked like a mofo, reboot required every 20 minutes.)
- tjoff 2y agoOver 60% extra... It's only a bargain if you need it. For a general purpose computer I'm with you, but the Pi5 often isn't used as a general purpose computer so if you know the software isn't going to be using it then it is pure waste.
- alias_neo 2y agoYou're absolutely right. I'd say for a specific application, I'd guesstimate you probably want it to be using something like 80% of the RAM when it's running full-tilt, maybe you'd want some headroom for upgrades. Pi's aren't a great value for general purpose computing when cube-PCs will get you orders of magnitude more power and functionality for 2-4x the price, and people often neglect to factor in the price of a case, PSU, storage which stack up the cost rapidly. Every generation I grab a couple of the latest model-B and run a few quick desktop tests to see where they're at subjectively (no benchmarks, just boot it up and "use" it) and Pi 5 is still orders of lower than what I expect from a computer. Put them to work in a specific application and their reliability and great ubiquity shine; I have a couple of Pis in 3D printers, one powering a touch-screen dashboard, a couple in my server rack for Hashicorp Vault, Unifi Server, ARM build server, a half a dozen or so in home-made speaker/TTS devices, a couple in retro gaming-handhelds, one in a dedicated WiFi AP for MiTM/testing/traffic-inspection, and one with a NVMe HAT running a file-server for low-power network storage. Each Pi serves a purpose, and I've allocated a device a specific model based on its requirements; a couple of them are probably over-powered just due to having a specific Pi spare, but I try to shuffle them around to be using the weakest/cheapest Pi available that suits the purpose.
- geerlingguy 2y agoThe new chip stepping (D0) seems to also be interesting; I'd like to see how much die area was saved and how it affects thermals and/or efficiency.
- smilespray 2y agoPlease make a video about this when your new baby is sleeping.
- rldjbpin 2y agomight be a pipe dream but it would be nice if this variant can stretch its legs without a fan. also in terms of the power supply needed, but maybe i might be pushing my luck too much on that front.
- faragon 2y agoI would like a board with a 2-core Cortex-A73 SoC with a simple GPU, 2GB of RAM, ethernet, and PCI-E for NVME. For 20$.
- monocasa 2y agoI don't think that SoC makes sense. Because of how the pad frame would work for the ddr and and pcie, you'd have a bunch of empty silicon if you only stuck a couple A73s and a simple GPU in it (and at this scale, the Ethernet is basically free).
- faragon 2y agoWell, their point for the price reduction was "dark silicon". I assumed removing more silicon it could allow a cheaper SoC.
- rldjbpin 2y agowait 5 years maybe? chip pricing is the crux of the matter here.
- fulafel 2y agoI wondered how the real price of the Pi has changed since launch and looked it up. Apparently the launch price in 2012, $35, is equivalent to $47.95 today. So this is pretty close.
- magicalhippo 2y agoBut they went for $35 back i 2019, which would be $43 today.
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- sitkack 2y agoThey should be falling in price and gaining in capabilities. The "price" is the supply chain and transaction cost. With that structure in place, we should always be able to buy "the 40$" RPi that is what ever is great right now.
- scarab92 2y ago“Equivalent to” Assuming prices for this type of device rise at the same rate as CPI. In practice, the inflation rate for most sectors is very different to the CPI average, so these “adjusted for inflation” numbers are pretty meaningless.
- handsclean 2y agoNormalizing to CPI gives you a decent comparison of cost, normalizing to industry gives you a decent comparison of competitiveness. CPI is the correct choice, industry-normalized would fail to show changes like the whole industry jacking up prices.
- fnord123 2y agoThey don't sell gen 1 RPIs anymore so you can't track the price inflation for that product.
- WhereIsTheTruth 2y agoThat's what happen after an IPO, you have to please your shareholders Price no longer match the reality, if you haven't already, look elsewhere, much better alternatives exist, much cheaper
- mschuster91 2y ago> Price no longer match the reality, if you haven't already, look elsewhere, much better alternatives exist, much cheaper ... but without the software support and documentation side, be it upstream kernel support, libraries for interfacing with stuff like acceleration or GPIOs or whatever. The biggest advantage of the RPi ecosystem is the community. Unless you're dealing with absolutely cutting edge stuff involving PCIe, chances are very high that someone else has already seen the problems you are facing and documented solutions.
- Dead_Lemon 2y agoIsn't this how most IPO ends up going. Make self look good to shareholders by using the community to uplift the product. Then, set up walled gardens to begin extrapolating funds from the community, as shareholders want more cash flow, damaging the contribution rate/trust of the community. Finally, all out enshittification, its profits above all else, as the remaining contributing community have now bailed to a new, less draconian, platform. Now the Pi foundation needs to turn the screws on anyone that relies on the product in productive environments, to maintain the year on year financial growth. This is a very cynical take on future events, but I wont be surprised if it goes this way, as was there actually a need to IPO? We already had a massive shift away from hobbyists to industrial/commercial clients, before the IPO, so I don't see it getting better for hobbyist/enthusiasts. Costs will increase more, as they will see how their industrial clients make money from using a Pi in manufacturing process, and so the shareholders will want more of that slice from their clients.
- lunfard000 2y agothe ecosystem will catch up eventually, keep building it around a public company is terrible idea. Raspberry is overestimating their value.
- roshankhan28 2y agothe only way i have been able to use raspberry pi is the setup a mini screen to display my gif artwork whose screen is glued to CPU's AIO cooler as the screen one cooler was outof my budget :}
- bankcust08385 2y agoOverpriced.
- klelatti 2y agoSo the first version of the BCM2712 was made by Broadcom for RPi and included RPi IP and also included unspecified dark silicon that RPi didn't want and was materially more expensive as a result? Seems like an odd situation. Did Broadcom want to sell the BCM2712 to other customers and insisted on the more expensive design?
- rasz 2y agoAfaik first pees were made by salvaging work from failed Nokia contract (700/800) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore Broadcom managed to sell same chip to Roku and some derivatives to Samsung. They havent been able to sell any of the new generations and this supposedly "slimmed down" chip is a sign of capitulation, realization that ship has sailed and Raspberry will be their lone client.
- klelatti 2y agoThanks, very interesting. One senses a nor entirely harmonious relationship between RPi and Broadcom.
- sgt 2y agoIs that fan optional? I personally don't like SBC's with fans. I often use them for experiments and keep them exposed without a cover, so I don't want fans for that reason but also that it feels a lot less robust with a moving part.
- suyash 2y agoPi and Arduino's are way overpriced as these organisations have become more and more commercial. I highly recommend buy cheaper boards like ESP 32 for personal IoT projects.
- cpldcpu 2y agoWhat does ESP32 have to do with RPI? The equivalent of to the ESP32 would be the Rasperry Pi Pico 1 / 2 / W. They start at $4, which is a fair price.
- suyash 2y agoWatch this video and learn: https://community.element14.com/challenges-projects/element14-presents/project-videos/w/documents/28339/episode-623-how-to-run-linux-on-an-esp32 https://community.element14.com/challenges-projects/element1... ESP 32 S3 can now run Linux and for most tasks it's much better than a Pi and dirt cheap (about 1 USD)
- lunfard000 2y agoS3 is way better than the Pico.
- anonymous344 2y agoI cannot understand where people use...actually use rpi:s. I have 2, 3, 4 and the small wireless. All of them crashes when left on more than few hours or days. can't use them for anything
- protimewaster 2y agoThis has not been my experience. I have used various generations of Pi for various 24/7 tasks over the years, and I've not found them to be particularly crash-prone.
- nkotov 2y agoWe use them as signage devices. It's been extremely reliable, especially with providers like YoDeck.
- lproven 2y agoI suspect there's something wrong with your power supply or in your environment. I had a Pi 4 home server -- described in the blog post below -- that ran for several years with maybe 2 or 3 unplanned outages in all that time. https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/71093.html https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/71093.html
- albrewer 2y agoMine runs all my home automation stuff (HomeAssistant) and has been doing so faithfully for a few years
- m00x 2y agoI've had a PI4 and a PI4-zero running for years. The only failure I've seen so far is that the Zero's SD card failed and the system became read-only.
- beryilma 2y agoIn the past, I have used a Raspberry Pi 400 as my main home computer for more than two years without any problems. I am currently using a Raspberry Pi Zero W as a wireless security camera. It has been running continuously for over a year without a single crash.