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Mass Market DVDs Are Dead: Long Live Heritage Physical Media

31 points by throw0101d 2y ago

creer 2y ago
Interesting mixing up of "an object" worth collecting and "the documents" such as director interviews, deleted scenes, commentaries, etc - also worth collecting but in what sense? I mean the documents are the same if they are digitally on blu-ray, DVD, disk drive or cloud (okay, not cloud), and they do take effort to round up. All the more so that if you are going to do so, you are not going to limit yourself to what's on the approved DVD, you will also hunt more obscure stuff. Meanwhile, "object" editions are highly suspect from a collecting point of view since generated by a marketing machine. And the documents are often very hard to get to because ignored by the online platforms. The opinions reported are interesting but what a mess for now.
mvkel 2y ago
Regardless of the nostalgia factor of old media (whose value is overstated, imo), the only practical alternative these days is not owning any media at all. So when no single streaming service pays the license to stream The Matrix, the film will virtually cease to exist. Fast forward a few hundred years of bit rot, and there's a nonzero chance that the film is lost to time. Think of all the countless valuable film, music, etc that didn't have the acclaim of The Matrix. Gone sooner, and more prolifically.
- konfusinomicon 2y ago
  thankfully all the pirates of the golden age of physical media and their ancestors who have meticulously tranferred the inherited data to the newest forms of storage have kept countless backups and the legend of neo will live on for years to come
- mtoner23 2y ago
  Idk, the matrix is in the library of congress, i think it's going to be preserved just fine
  - et-al 2y ago
    >Think of all the countless valuable film, music, etc that didn't have the acclaim of The Matrix. Gone sooner, and more prolifically. E.g. Existenz and Strange Days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Days_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Days_(film)
    - samplatt 2y ago
      You're saying both of those no longer exist on streaming services? That's a goddamned tragedy (though I have local copies of both). Side note, I first watched Strange Days on a VR headset (the Gear VR) while on a 6hr flight, having no idea the movie would be about virtual reality. That felt pretty damn special.
      - et-al 2y ago
        Ah no. To clarify I was highlighting mvkel's point by pointing out two lesser known films that future film historians would want to access to in addition to The Matrix. Luckily there are plenty of DVDs floating about for those films, but you can imagine a situation where a cult classic released now will not have that physical artifact.
        sien 2y ago
        With books there is a requirement for to upload all books published in Australia to be put in the Australian National Library. The US has something similar. It's surprising that something like that hasn't been legislated for film and possibly for TV. It would be quite doable today technologically.
        mtoner23 2y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry
    - 2y ago
- mastazi 2y ago
  I remember in the 90's the promise of the Internet was that it would be a resilient repository of all human knowledge and cultural artifacts. I remember people pointing out that the Internet was designed to survive even a nuclear war, so tragedies like the loss of the Library of Alexandria would never happen again. Instead, we got link rot, abandonware IP, and lots of memes.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    I wonder who was promising that. It's a lot more like a postal system where you can mail huge volumes of data instantly and for almost no charge, but mailing your neighbor or friend is incredibly difficult compared to mailing a company and getting a reply. Stuff definitely falls through the cracks. Even the 20-something-year-old promise of Google to "index the world's information" has failed pathetically. I frequently can't find things I'm looking for, because all I have left in my head is a fingerprint of "I'll know it when I see it" and maybe a couple odd keywords that aren't enough to pull any signal out of the noise. In one case I got ChatGPT to help me find a book I'd been missing for years because the generic keywords like "magic staff", "tree", "volcano crater" returned jack shit on common search engines. (It was "The Ancient One" by T. A. Barron, if anyone else is stuck looking for it too) In another case I found a book on Kagi. The Library of Babel is a much closer analogy. Everything _might_ be in there, but you probably aren't gonna find anything worthwhile. lol.
    - wmf 2y ago
      Specifically, AT&T predicted/promised it in 1993: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Will (directed by Fincher before people knew who he was)
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - riffraff 2y ago
      Just an aside: for SF and fantasy, the scifi stack exchange is an invaluable source to identify a story by a few random bits, they have a specific tag/label for questions like that and it never failed for me.
- femto 2y ago
  I'd counter that multiple copies are out there in the private collections of data hoarders. It's just underground due to the copyright police.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    What happens to those private collections when those data hoarders die though? As the data hoarders die off the private collections will too as hard drives fail and surviving family members, less passionate about preservation, inherit media and servers they don't know what to do with, much of which will just end up in the trash. If given enough warning about my own death I might be tempted to pay for a couple seedboxes on bulletproof servers and just hope the files stay up as long as possible and find many new homes before the money runs out. The RIAA/MPA can't come after you once you're dead.
    - dangus 2y ago
      I think at some point we might need to accept that preserving every piece of human creation ever made is not possible and perhaps not even desirable. This is kind of the problem with data hoarding: it’s more about the act of preservation than the content being preserved. The whole practice is based off of anxiety and fear of loss rather than any productive purpose. There’s often low to zero demand for a huge amount of the content. Just like my grandma’s record collection or fine China, it all amounts to a bunch of stuff that meant something to someone else but not to me. It was offered to me in a vain hope that I might enjoy it in the same way, despite the great improbability of that being the case. That’s why those items are siting in a landfill somewhere. I would guess, for example, that most people read very few books that were written before the 1800s. They would be difficult to read, their subject matter would be foreign, and without extensive rewriting/translation/adaptation, they wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense. Most certainly there are many classic works that survive much longer than a few hundred years, but the percentage is a tiny sliver of all the stories people have created. And that’s ultimately perfectly okay. That’s just how things work. Nobody has enough time on earth to consume such a massive amount of content that humans have made, and a lot of it is straight up bad, or just repetitive of other similar content. Lastly, there is also another possibility entirely: that the original creators don’t want future generations to see their work. I think it’s important to remember that all rights are reserved to the creator of the work. As an artist I can sell a print of a painting for a year and decide that it will never be sold again after that. It’s my right to stop selling new copies and my right to prevent people from redistributing copies until the work reaches public domain, because it’s my work. I know in the case of corporate filmmaking the lack of available works is more about apathy to specific old pieces of content basically being worthless to them, but it’s still a little point to keep in mind.
- BobbyJo 2y ago
  Once we've amassed a volume of artistic media so large that it would take hundreds of human lifetimes to make use of, what is the point? Movies like the matrix have already had an eternal effect on the Zeitgeist of a generation, forever altering human culture in some small way, at the very least. Why worry about it still being on a drive somewhere in 200 years?
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    The Matrix had an eternal effect on culture? in what ways?
    - walterbell 2y ago
      "Top 400 Films & Shows in The Matrix Style", https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041343358/ https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041343358/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_time
      - ekianjo 2y ago
        i was asking about everyday culture not Hollywood's
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  - walterbell 2y ago
    > Why worry about it still being on a drive somewhere in 200 years? Movies like The Matrix don't materialize out of thin air. They are the cultural and creative descendants of countless prior art pieces. There's a reason why film creators publish commentary about their production process. To neglect history is to starve the future.
    - BobbyJo 2y ago
      > They are the cultural and creative descendants of countless prior art pieces. Yes, but applied in a sliding window with considerable drop out. The world decides every day which art is worth keeping around and which can be allowed to be forgotten. Just because a film is important to the common psyche in 2001 doesn't mean that will be the case in 3001.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  > the only practical alternative these days is not owning any media at all This is the approach I've taken. Shelves of records, DVDs, tapes, CDs... all gathering dust and taking up space. Honestly the only music I listen to is a classic rock radio station when I'm driving my car. Whatever they play is what I listen to. It's just not that important to me any more. Movies, music, they are just time-fillers. They are something to do when there's nothing to do. When I was 20 I felt differently.
- oceanplexian 2y ago
  I think most of the stuff from the era of physical media will survive if cared for. So content pre-2010s will probably be found by archeologists some day, and they will ponder why we stopped making films and TV shows all of a sudden. My collection of DVDs and CDs is still flawless after many decades. I have some VHS approaching 40-50 years (Although it’s slowly degrading).
perihelion_zero 2y ago
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sheepybloke 2y ago
This is true also for books. Adding things like sprayed edges, pretty hardcovers, and higher quality materials turns the items into more collectibles, things to show off to friends or decorate a home with instead of hide away.
walterbell 2y ago
Remember to keep a local offline mirror of your favorite content from ripped physical media, online archives and aggregators. Rotate every 5 years to larger, newer drives that can store higher-resolution versions. Nothing is infallible, including archive.org, infocon.org, flickr, github/gitlab/sourceforge, YT/peertube/rumble, kiwix/stackoverflow/wikipedia and long-tail niche websites.
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  Alas, I have external drives from 2015, 2010, etc. that I've never filled up completely. Should I consolidate on a newer one and junk them? Some I haven't accessed in years.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    It's good to periodically consolidate onto a new mirrored pair of reputable spinning rust with ZFS or another filesystem that can automatically monitor for bitrot, even if you keep the old ones around (drive reliability economics varied over time as vendors consolidated). Gives opportunity for sorting archives into tiers of importance based on current perspective. Content with highest ratio of importance/size can be stored on enterprise-grade SSD. The best motivation for keeping healthy archives is to use them :) It's worth finding offline OSS/paid software to help categorize/search/browse archives. Upcoming offline LLMs should also help. Tailscale on Apple TV (and other devices) can be an exit node for remote streaming access to archives on home networks.
    - cyphertruck 2y ago
      It's kinda amazing the results you get just by putting your collection together in something like Jellyfin, and getting the metadata etc. Like having your own Netflix service.... I found I watched a lot more of my movies that way... than when they were just sitting on my drive.
sho 2y ago
From a practical perspective I feel like we are right back in the 1990s in terms of how easy it is for me to obtain access to movies I want to watch. The big streaming players just seem to get worse every day - it's probably not an exaggeration that 80% of movies I search for simply aren't available, at all. Especially classics, double especially foreign. You just can't get them. But there's no video stores any more, and I'm not paying $30+ to order a physical disk from another country, wait a week, only to watch it once and put it in a pile to rot. So I find myself, just like I did in the '90s, downloading and playing them off a computer. And saying the same things to anyone who'll listen - I'd pay to watch this, but no-one will sell it to me for a reasonable price, so I'll just pirate it and enjoy it with a clear conscience.
- steve1977 2y ago
  You were already downloading movies in the 90s? What kind of bandwidth did you have?
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    More likely music. I do remember a few people with dsl or isdn at home, t1 at work.
  - elzbardico 2y ago
    I think that he meant that pirating nowadays is as easy as it was to rent a physical tape or disc in a rental shop in the 90s.
  - 47282847 2y ago
    It took a week or so on 56k and later ISDN, but, sure. :)
    - wmf 2y ago
      There weren't any movies to download (besides porn clips) in the ISDN days and your hard drive probably wasn't big enough to hold a movie.
underseacables 2y ago
Every DVD I've ever owned I have ripped to a server. If I paid money for it, I have ripped it somehow. The concept of licensing and never owning the product you paid for must go. Especially video games.
jesperlang 2y ago
I recently dusted off piles of CDs from my wardrobe to put up for sale. Was really chocked that they go for around €30-50 each, one sold for €90! It is mostly semi rare electronic music from the 90s so I would not expect the same from pop/rock. But do check out your old CDs laying around, could be worth quite a bit
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  Where are you selling them? What are they? Used get only a few $ here.
  - jesperlang 2y ago
    Discogs, mostly electronic music. Here is an example (sales statistics to the right) https://www.discogs.com/release/848169-Carbon-Based-Lifeforms-World-Of-Sleepers https://www.discogs.com/release/848169-Carbon-Based-Lifeform...
WalterBright 2y ago
I've known they have been dead for a while when you can buy them for a dollar at the pawn shop. When Netflix wrecked their dvd business, that was a sure sign as well.
kkfx 2y ago
Maybe it's about time to state a thing, means to store and retrieve information do change, as have done ever since, if we want to preserve information we need to transfer it a step at a time from "the old" to "the new" mean, when both are well known and eventual hw needed to work with both version do exists and it's known and spread. Other activities are pointless, might work for a little time, for a small set of information but not on scale. To preserve heritage we simply should keep data fresh.

31 points by throw0101d 2y ago

Interesting mixing up of "an object" worth collecting and "the documents" such as director interviews, deleted scenes, commentaries, etc - also worth collecting but in what sense? I mean the documents are the same if they are digitally on blu-ray, DVD, disk drive or cloud (okay, not cloud), and they do take effort to round up. All the more so that if you are going to do so, you are not going to limit yourself to what's on the approved DVD, you will also hunt more obscure stuff. Meanwhile, "object" editions are highly suspect from a collecting point of view since generated by a marketing machine. And the documents are often very hard to get to because ignored by the online platforms. The opinions reported are interesting but what a mess for now.

mvkel 2y ago

Regardless of the nostalgia factor of old media (whose value is overstated, imo), the only practical alternative these days is not owning any media at all. So when no single streaming service pays the license to stream The Matrix, the film will virtually cease to exist. Fast forward a few hundred years of bit rot, and there's a nonzero chance that the film is lost to time. Think of all the countless valuable film, music, etc that didn't have the acclaim of The Matrix. Gone sooner, and more prolifically.

konfusinomicon 2y ago
thankfully all the pirates of the golden age of physical media and their ancestors who have meticulously tranferred the inherited data to the newest forms of storage have kept countless backups and the legend of neo will live on for years to come
mtoner23 2y ago
Idk, the matrix is in the library of congress, i think it's going to be preserved just fine
- et-al 2y ago
  >Think of all the countless valuable film, music, etc that didn't have the acclaim of The Matrix. Gone sooner, and more prolifically. E.g. Existenz and Strange Days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Days_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Days_(film)
  - samplatt 2y ago
    You're saying both of those no longer exist on streaming services? That's a goddamned tragedy (though I have local copies of both). Side note, I first watched Strange Days on a VR headset (the Gear VR) while on a 6hr flight, having no idea the movie would be about virtual reality. That felt pretty damn special.
    - et-al 2y ago
      Ah no. To clarify I was highlighting mvkel's point by pointing out two lesser known films that future film historians would want to access to in addition to The Matrix. Luckily there are plenty of DVDs floating about for those films, but you can imagine a situation where a cult classic released now will not have that physical artifact.
      - sien 2y ago
        With books there is a requirement for to upload all books published in Australia to be put in the Australian National Library. The US has something similar. It's surprising that something like that hasn't been legislated for film and possibly for TV. It would be quite doable today technologically.
        mtoner23 2y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry
  - 2y ago
mastazi 2y ago
I remember in the 90's the promise of the Internet was that it would be a resilient repository of all human knowledge and cultural artifacts. I remember people pointing out that the Internet was designed to survive even a nuclear war, so tragedies like the loss of the Library of Alexandria would never happen again. Instead, we got link rot, abandonware IP, and lots of memes.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  I wonder who was promising that. It's a lot more like a postal system where you can mail huge volumes of data instantly and for almost no charge, but mailing your neighbor or friend is incredibly difficult compared to mailing a company and getting a reply. Stuff definitely falls through the cracks. Even the 20-something-year-old promise of Google to "index the world's information" has failed pathetically. I frequently can't find things I'm looking for, because all I have left in my head is a fingerprint of "I'll know it when I see it" and maybe a couple odd keywords that aren't enough to pull any signal out of the noise. In one case I got ChatGPT to help me find a book I'd been missing for years because the generic keywords like "magic staff", "tree", "volcano crater" returned jack shit on common search engines. (It was "The Ancient One" by T. A. Barron, if anyone else is stuck looking for it too) In another case I found a book on Kagi. The Library of Babel is a much closer analogy. Everything _might_ be in there, but you probably aren't gonna find anything worthwhile. lol.
  - wmf 2y ago
    Specifically, AT&T predicted/promised it in 1993: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Will (directed by Fincher before people knew who he was)
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - riffraff 2y ago
    Just an aside: for SF and fantasy, the scifi stack exchange is an invaluable source to identify a story by a few random bits, they have a specific tag/label for questions like that and it never failed for me.
femto 2y ago
I'd counter that multiple copies are out there in the private collections of data hoarders. It's just underground due to the copyright police.
- autoexec 2y ago
  What happens to those private collections when those data hoarders die though? As the data hoarders die off the private collections will too as hard drives fail and surviving family members, less passionate about preservation, inherit media and servers they don't know what to do with, much of which will just end up in the trash. If given enough warning about my own death I might be tempted to pay for a couple seedboxes on bulletproof servers and just hope the files stay up as long as possible and find many new homes before the money runs out. The RIAA/MPA can't come after you once you're dead.
  - dangus 2y ago
    I think at some point we might need to accept that preserving every piece of human creation ever made is not possible and perhaps not even desirable. This is kind of the problem with data hoarding: it’s more about the act of preservation than the content being preserved. The whole practice is based off of anxiety and fear of loss rather than any productive purpose. There’s often low to zero demand for a huge amount of the content. Just like my grandma’s record collection or fine China, it all amounts to a bunch of stuff that meant something to someone else but not to me. It was offered to me in a vain hope that I might enjoy it in the same way, despite the great improbability of that being the case. That’s why those items are siting in a landfill somewhere. I would guess, for example, that most people read very few books that were written before the 1800s. They would be difficult to read, their subject matter would be foreign, and without extensive rewriting/translation/adaptation, they wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense. Most certainly there are many classic works that survive much longer than a few hundred years, but the percentage is a tiny sliver of all the stories people have created. And that’s ultimately perfectly okay. That’s just how things work. Nobody has enough time on earth to consume such a massive amount of content that humans have made, and a lot of it is straight up bad, or just repetitive of other similar content. Lastly, there is also another possibility entirely: that the original creators don’t want future generations to see their work. I think it’s important to remember that all rights are reserved to the creator of the work. As an artist I can sell a print of a painting for a year and decide that it will never be sold again after that. It’s my right to stop selling new copies and my right to prevent people from redistributing copies until the work reaches public domain, because it’s my work. I know in the case of corporate filmmaking the lack of available works is more about apathy to specific old pieces of content basically being worthless to them, but it’s still a little point to keep in mind.
BobbyJo 2y ago
Once we've amassed a volume of artistic media so large that it would take hundreds of human lifetimes to make use of, what is the point? Movies like the matrix have already had an eternal effect on the Zeitgeist of a generation, forever altering human culture in some small way, at the very least. Why worry about it still being on a drive somewhere in 200 years?
- ekianjo 2y ago
  The Matrix had an eternal effect on culture? in what ways?
  - walterbell 2y ago
    "Top 400 Films & Shows in The Matrix Style", https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041343358/ https://www.imdb.com/list/ls041343358/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_time
    - ekianjo 2y ago
      i was asking about everyday culture not Hollywood's
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
- walterbell 2y ago
  > Why worry about it still being on a drive somewhere in 200 years? Movies like The Matrix don't materialize out of thin air. They are the cultural and creative descendants of countless prior art pieces. There's a reason why film creators publish commentary about their production process. To neglect history is to starve the future.
  - BobbyJo 2y ago
    > They are the cultural and creative descendants of countless prior art pieces. Yes, but applied in a sliding window with considerable drop out. The world decides every day which art is worth keeping around and which can be allowed to be forgotten. Just because a film is important to the common psyche in 2001 doesn't mean that will be the case in 3001.
SoftTalker 2y ago
> the only practical alternative these days is not owning any media at all This is the approach I've taken. Shelves of records, DVDs, tapes, CDs... all gathering dust and taking up space. Honestly the only music I listen to is a classic rock radio station when I'm driving my car. Whatever they play is what I listen to. It's just not that important to me any more. Movies, music, they are just time-fillers. They are something to do when there's nothing to do. When I was 20 I felt differently.
oceanplexian 2y ago
I think most of the stuff from the era of physical media will survive if cared for. So content pre-2010s will probably be found by archeologists some day, and they will ponder why we stopped making films and TV shows all of a sudden. My collection of DVDs and CDs is still flawless after many decades. I have some VHS approaching 40-50 years (Although it’s slowly degrading).

perihelion_zero 2y ago

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sheepybloke 2y ago

This is true also for books. Adding things like sprayed edges, pretty hardcovers, and higher quality materials turns the items into more collectibles, things to show off to friends or decorate a home with instead of hide away.

walterbell 2y ago

Remember to keep a local offline mirror of your favorite content from ripped physical media, online archives and aggregators. Rotate every 5 years to larger, newer drives that can store higher-resolution versions. Nothing is infallible, including archive.org, infocon.org, flickr, github/gitlab/sourceforge, YT/peertube/rumble, kiwix/stackoverflow/wikipedia and long-tail niche websites.

Apocryphon 2y ago
Alas, I have external drives from 2015, 2010, etc. that I've never filled up completely. Should I consolidate on a newer one and junk them? Some I haven't accessed in years.
- walterbell 2y ago
  It's good to periodically consolidate onto a new mirrored pair of reputable spinning rust with ZFS or another filesystem that can automatically monitor for bitrot, even if you keep the old ones around (drive reliability economics varied over time as vendors consolidated). Gives opportunity for sorting archives into tiers of importance based on current perspective. Content with highest ratio of importance/size can be stored on enterprise-grade SSD. The best motivation for keeping healthy archives is to use them :) It's worth finding offline OSS/paid software to help categorize/search/browse archives. Upcoming offline LLMs should also help. Tailscale on Apple TV (and other devices) can be an exit node for remote streaming access to archives on home networks.
  - cyphertruck 2y ago
    It's kinda amazing the results you get just by putting your collection together in something like Jellyfin, and getting the metadata etc. Like having your own Netflix service.... I found I watched a lot more of my movies that way... than when they were just sitting on my drive.

sho 2y ago

From a practical perspective I feel like we are right back in the 1990s in terms of how easy it is for me to obtain access to movies I want to watch. The big streaming players just seem to get worse every day - it's probably not an exaggeration that 80% of movies I search for simply aren't available, at all. Especially classics, double especially foreign. You just can't get them. But there's no video stores any more, and I'm not paying $30+ to order a physical disk from another country, wait a week, only to watch it once and put it in a pile to rot. So I find myself, just like I did in the '90s, downloading and playing them off a computer. And saying the same things to anyone who'll listen - I'd pay to watch this, but no-one will sell it to me for a reasonable price, so I'll just pirate it and enjoy it with a clear conscience.

steve1977 2y ago
You were already downloading movies in the 90s? What kind of bandwidth did you have?
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  More likely music. I do remember a few people with dsl or isdn at home, t1 at work.
- elzbardico 2y ago
  I think that he meant that pirating nowadays is as easy as it was to rent a physical tape or disc in a rental shop in the 90s.
- 47282847 2y ago
  It took a week or so on 56k and later ISDN, but, sure. :)
  - wmf 2y ago
    There weren't any movies to download (besides porn clips) in the ISDN days and your hard drive probably wasn't big enough to hold a movie.

underseacables 2y ago

Every DVD I've ever owned I have ripped to a server. If I paid money for it, I have ripped it somehow. The concept of licensing and never owning the product you paid for must go. Especially video games.

jesperlang 2y ago

I recently dusted off piles of CDs from my wardrobe to put up for sale. Was really chocked that they go for around €30-50 each, one sold for €90! It is mostly semi rare electronic music from the 90s so I would not expect the same from pop/rock. But do check out your old CDs laying around, could be worth quite a bit

mixmastamyk 2y ago
Where are you selling them? What are they? Used get only a few $ here.
- jesperlang 2y ago
  Discogs, mostly electronic music. Here is an example (sales statistics to the right) https://www.discogs.com/release/848169-Carbon-Based-Lifeforms-World-Of-Sleepers https://www.discogs.com/release/848169-Carbon-Based-Lifeform...

WalterBright 2y ago

I've known they have been dead for a while when you can buy them for a dollar at the pawn shop. When Netflix wrecked their dvd business, that was a sure sign as well.

kkfx 2y ago

Maybe it's about time to state a thing, means to store and retrieve information do change, as have done ever since, if we want to preserve information we need to transfer it a step at a time from "the old" to "the new" mean, when both are well known and eventual hw needed to work with both version do exists and it's known and spread. Other activities are pointless, might work for a little time, for a small set of information but not on scale. To preserve heritage we simply should keep data fresh.