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What are the Olympics shooting competitors wearing on their faces?
- brink 2y agoI feel like I've seen that picture of the Turkish shooter over 200 times in the last week while I look for a new job on LinkedIn.
- lancesells 2y agoI saw it on Reddit making fun of one of those LinkedIn corporate culture posts.
- brink 2y ago/r/linkedinlunatics is one of the few subreddits I regularly browse and makes me feel a bit less crazy.
- usui 2y agoWould you prefer that regular LinkedIn content appear instead of the Turkish shooter?
- munk-a 2y agoI have suddenly gained a new appreciation of the wave of spam of the Turkish Olympian.
- upmind 2y ago+1 Furthermore, the posts are extremely unfunny, I wouldn't mind them if they were at least somewhat interesting.
- charles_f 2y agoOh I love the mental gymnastics that some of these posters accomplish to try and fit a lesson they wanna teach to the picture, and somehow attach themselves to that person's notoriety.
- yodsanklai 2y agoOff-topic: I really hate those linkedin influencers telling me what a "senior software engineer" is or is not, or how I should use TDD or not use TDD. I keep removing them from my feed, but there's an endless stream of them.
- brcmthrowaway 2y agoSeriously, who is putting effort into this?!
- zztop44 2y agoThere was a period a few years back where LinkedIn was the easiest place on the internet to get organic reach. As such, the marketing guru set were all recommending LinkedIn as the best place to “build an audience”. I haven’t checked, but I’d guess the juice has been mostly squeezed out by now.
- ryandrake 2y agoI don't even know what kind of "audience" people are trying to build? Who even reads, let alone cares about these generic business grindhustle posts? And what is the "audience builder" getting out of any of this? I mean, if you read this, are you really going to offer the writer a job? Crush It with These 5 GAME-CHANGING Strategies! Hey #LinkedInFam! Ready to LEVEL UP? Here’s how: Hustle Harder: Rise and grind at 4 AM—no excuses, just results! Network Like Crazy: Your connections are your gold. Build them everywhere! Disrupt the Norm: Obliterate the status quo and challenge every rule! Own Your Brand: Develop a killer personal brand and make everyone know your name! Keep Learning: Invest in yourself—read, attend, and evolve. Knowledge is power! Push boundaries and share this with someone who needs a boost! #Hustle #Success #PersonalBrand #Disrupt
- MathMonkeyMan 2y agoI think it's the same thing that makes people take on "support" roles on message forums for tech products (Microsoft, etc.). They're worse than bots, and I don't know what motivates them, but you will always find them.
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- krackers 2y agoIf they're allowing this gear, why not allow all competitors to use glasses to get 20/15 vision? It doesn't make sense that "shooters are only allowed to use prescription lenses if they are part of their regular eyewear", given that optometrists tend to slightly overprescribe anyhow, which means there's no uniformity.
- eps 2y agoA common practice between optometrists is to always _under_prescribe.
- ComputerGuru 2y agoCan I ask why?
- shmeeed 2y agoNot an optometrist myself, so please excuse if I'm using all the wrong words here. The way it's been explained to me: you want to leave some challenge for the eye to overcome, so the muscles that do the focussing stay in training. If you overadapt, those muscles have less to do and could atrophy slightly, leading to ever more loss of eyesight.
- ComputerGuru 2y agoSounds plausible, at least!
- mrguyorama 2y agoCan you provide evidence to this? Every new prescription I have gotten for glasses through my entire life has been too strong and required my eyes to basically degrade to be correct. Avoiding getting new prescriptions too often is pretty much the only reason my eyes are okay. An optometrist cannot see through your eyes, so they use that lens comparing machine and ask you "which is better", and that leaves plenty of room for the patient to bias the results towards "different from normal is 'Better'", such that they vastly bias their new prescription upwards. Even if every optometrist is thinking about that and purposely downgrading the results of that flow, that could still provide room for the ratchet effect of eye prescriptions that many people with glasses have experienced.
- Modified3019 2y agoSadly doesn’t seem to really get into the details. For target shooting, aperture sights on with the gun or your eyes have a variety of interesting benefits, such as reducing parallax error and providing a better depth of field (bringing the target more into focus when focusing on the front sight). Here’s a decent overview of the AR15’s classic aperture sight, and the reason why when looking through the sight that simply having the front post roughly centered somehow works better than you’d think: https://thenewrifleman.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-the-ar15-iron-sights/ https://thenewrifleman.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-the-ar15-ir...
- adamwk 2y agoWhat's purpose of the left-eye shield?
- __s 2y agoMost shut left eye, an eye patch reduces muscle strain as eye doesn't have to close as tightly
- Modified3019 2y agoA few things. It makes for no distraction in the eye you’re not using, while still allowing you to have both eyes easily open with focus where you need. Keeping both eyes open vastly reduces strain on the facial/eye muscles. Sometimes a white opaque shield is used, on the theory that allowing light through won’t have potentially negative effects on iris contraction. I can’t speak to the validity of this one.
- mgarfias 2y agoWe use tape over the left eye of my youngest’s eye pro when he’s shooting a rifle. He’s cross eye dominant and scotch tape on the glasses is cheaper than a left handed rifle.
- peddling-brink 2y agoI'm no olympian, but squinting one eye shut can mess up your vision when aiming. Leaving both open takes some extra attention away from the target. I don't shoot competitively, but I leave both eyes open. I assume the same for them.
- formerly_proven 2y agoThis seems to skip over why this might be useful. I don't know either, but seeing how it literally is just an adjustable iris I'll make a wild guess and assume this is about depth of field. With the "external" iris close enough to the eye it mostly stops being a field stop (=blocking off the field of view) and starts to act like an aperture stop (=influences the aperture aka "f-stop" aka depth of field). I assume this is the explanation because for accurate shooting you have to bring the two thingies on the gun in line with the target, but the gun is quite close to you and the target is not. Lots of depth of field allows you to reduce the amount of blur you get on either. I'm guessing this is also why their posture is always with the gun extended as far away as possible, the closer the gun is to your face, the blurrier either the gun or the target gets. If you wear glasses you can test this yourself quite easily, punch a small hole into a piece of paper and take your glasses off. At an arm's length it's obviously a field stop, because you can only see a very narrow solid angle through the hole. If you put it basically on top of your eyelashes, it still reduces the field of view a bit, but you'll also notice how depth of field is increased.
- mh- 2y ago>I'm guessing this is also why their posture is always with the gun extended as far away as possible, the closer the gun is to your face, the blurrier either the gun or the target gets. That certainly may be part of it, but the primary reason is simpler. Consider a straight line between your eyes and the target, going through the pistol sights. The closer the sights are to your eyes, the bigger the possible "error". Getting the iron sights further away from you is like turning down your mouse sensitivity, if you want to think of it that way.
- jp57 2y agoAnd then there's Turkish pistol silver medalist Yusuf Dikec who just wears his regular glasses and foam earplugs and shoots with one hand in his pocket. https://olympics.com/en/news/yusuf-dikec-turkish-shooting-viral-paris-2024-olympics https://olympics.com/en/news/yusuf-dikec-turkish-shooting-vi...
- cortesoft 2y agoThey all shoot with one hand in their pocket, they aren’t allowed to use two hands so it is a common technique.
- magicalhippo 2y agoUnless you have health issues, for single shots of small calibers you should be far more accurate with one hand compared to two. A 6 inch .44 Magnum revolver or such beasts is a different story.
- lukan 2y agoDo you have sources? I have a hard time believing it, if you use the second hand just for support and not aim with both hands.
- magicalhippo 2y agoPrimary source is myself, I shoot the same programs as those in the olympic, and more. And sure, if you use it like that it's something else. I was primarily thinking of what's allowed in the programs I know of, where "two hands" means both hands on the gun. edit: I don't think bracing would make a huge difference anyway, unless you're fairly new. The primary source of error, by far, is due to sight misalignment, not the general direction you're aiming. And bracing would only help with stabilizing the general directionyou aim.
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- jessriedel 2y ago> If you're wondering why competitors don't just rely on prescription glasses, it's because your eyesight can actually change over the course of the day. Sounds like this article was written by someone who doesn't know basic optics. You cannot replicate the action of an iris with a choice of lens, no matter how stable your vision is. Lens (to first order) adjust the plane of focus, while irises control the depth of field.
- bongodongobob 2y agoOof. Has nothing to do with the iris. The actual shape of your eye can change throughout the day depending on what you're doing. Your eyeball is just a fluid filled sac.
- HPsquared 2y agoIf you use the iris to widen depth of field, the lens error doesn't matter as much. The limit is the pinhole camera which has no lens at all.
- jessriedel 2y agoYes I am well aware of the basic optics, but the author is not. These headsets come with adjustable lens as well as adjustable irises; if your eye curvature was drifting a bit you’d correct with that. (And if it’s drifting a ton, increasing the depth of field is a poor fix indoors.) The dominant reason to have the iris while shooting is to help you keep three points at different distances in simultaneous focus: the target, far sight, and near sight.
- amelius 2y agoDepth of field can be zero. The target is on a plane.
- jessriedel 2y agoNo it can't, because the shooter is aligning the target with the near sight and the far sight. (I believe they typically focus on the far sight, but the issue arises regardless.)
- bitwize 2y agoBatou eyes. Badass.
- tb0ne 2y agoAlso a very interesting explanation of all the quirks of this sport by someone who has competed in it: https://youtu.be/zfaK4Hz0Na8 https://youtu.be/zfaK4Hz0Na8 It actually made me appreciate how impressive and serious this discipline is, despite all the funky-looking gear.
- is_true 2y agoI feel that they have too much extra gear
- Zak 2y agoHave you participated in this sport, or one closely related to it in order to form a basis for such an opinion?
- chroma 2y agoI do shooting competitions from time to time, and I agree that Olympic target shooting has too much strange equipment. Most great shooters don't even bother with it because it's so boring and equipment-specific. Instead they do stuff like USPSA, IPSC, and IDPA. All of those competitions depend more on movement and speed, not slow fire accuracy and special equipment. (Though USPSA does tend to have ridiculous looking guns in its unlimited division.) With any of the practical shooting competitions, a skilled shooter can be competitive with an unmodified handgun. Also, the skills required have a lot of overlap with real world defensive handgun use. Oh, and it's way more fun.
- Zak 2y agoI did smallbore 3-position (Olympic-style rifle) in high school, and I've shot a handful of USPSA/IPSC matches. I think they're both fun to do, but only the latter is fun to watch. IPSC would be a better Olympic sport than the current precision shooting sports.
- dmoy 2y agoI've been pretty deep into competitive fencing (B rating?), which is a pretty gear heavy sport (but mostly around the whole "not dying / going blind" angle). I also have a master classification in bullseye rifle. Rifle competition has a staggering amount of kit. It's bonkers. Special jacket, pants, underclothes, shoes, blinders, gloves, slings, a rifle that is like a space gun with adjustable weights and pieces all over. Most serious 30 rifle competitors will have three separate stocks to reconfigure the rifle on the fly between positions. Special kneel rolls, special mats, $1000 training cameras. You have this special tripod for holding the rifle between shots, and all your pellets (or cartridges if it's smallbore or high power). If you're not shooting electronic targets, you have a whole separate tripod and sighting scope to see shots & scores. When I go to the range I'm lugging no joke like 50 pounds of crap. Bullseye pistol... actually not that much. Special eyewear if your eyes need it. Earplugs. And that's kinda it. Olympic rifle is some insane gear race bullshit. But then again, so is internationally competitive bicycle racing. Anything that doesn't have literal $$ caps on gear will end up that way.
- utopcell 2y ago> What Are the Olympics Shooting Competitors Wearing on Their Faces? The cool ones? Nothing. The best meme I've ran across regarding Yusuf Dikec is this [1]. Nobody should be messing with Yusuf Wick's cat! [1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8DIU56jF1ev5c6ubG_2IEQ/community?lb=UgkxxHBkXvfvhT4Kb4uzo1E2kJPCdEs1asYO https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8DIU56jF1ev5c6ubG_2IEQ/com...
- tyrust 2y agoYouTube hosting screenshots of tweets is a pretty confusing development.
- mikesabbagh 2y agonothing if you are turkish
- charles_f 2y agoHe wears glasses though.
- xyst 2y agoIf the guy from Turkey that raw dogged it and achieved silver. I would say these devices are more show than function. Placebo at best.
- chmod775 2y agoDepends on your personal eyesight. Mine changes a lot during the day to the point that I noticeably struggle to focus at times. Someone not needing a wheelchair doesn't make wheelchairs a placebo for people who use it to cope with with an occasionally occurring condition.
- grape_surgeon 2y agoConsidering that South Korea has won 32 of the 40 golds ever for this competition, I think they know what they're doing Man, hacker news comments can be so reddit quality with how dismissive and gut instinct they are... i came here to avoid that
- lostemptations5 2y agoWelcome to life :)
- 93po 2y agoi especially dislike the logic too. if he got silver then maybe he would have actually won if he used the same gear? ignoring the fact that he only got silver as the team event and got 13th individually
- kelnos 2y agoHe actually came in 13th, individually. His silver came from a team event.
- Sammi 2y agoSo he actually got silver?
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- ergonaught 2y agoI've been less interested in the "what" than the "why", as they seem wholly contrary to the spirit of the Olympics.
- rahkiin 2y agoAccording to a video posted in this thread; it is to give people with less eye dominance a chance. High eye dominance you can see fhe sight without it fine. I think the focus of the sport is not on how specific your eyes are as you cannot train them like you can muscles
- initramfs 2y agoWell it's pretty clear to me. Silicon Valley and Optometry companies haven't been producing enough cyberpunk paraphernalia and the only ones open to the future are the sharpshooters.
- xeromal 2y agoI wonder why hunters don't wear this gear?
- dmoy 2y agoHunting typically has less precision requirements, relative to bullseye shooting. Bullseye shooting can get pretty extreme in the level of precision required. A bullseye rifle competitor at 200 yards lying down is generally unhappy with a shot that is more than 1.5" away from the centerpoint. A deer's vital area is like over 5" from centerpoint. Even varmint hunters have bigger targets. I don't hunt, but I compete at bullseye and practice at a range with a lot of hunters, and we routinely get into discussions of how what I need to be good at (precision stuff) has like literally nothing to do with what they need to be good at (mostly, finding the critters, and not spooking them).
- somenameforme 2y agoA lot of athletes at the very top level use things that provide, at most, a microscopic edge - because a microscopic edge can be quite significant with people that close to their genetic potential, competing against comparable others. Take something like the buoyant body suits in swimming, which do genuinely provide enough of an advantage to have been banned. If a regular person wears one of those, it's not going to suddenly turn you into Michael Phelps. In all reality you would probably notice 0 difference in feel or results, but if you're doing laps with a delta time measured in the milliseconds, then yeah it can really make a difference. But for regular people engaged in regular sport, these differences don't matter and are not even generally observable. If anybody likes bowling there's an example there at basically every bowling alley where a guy shows up kitted out in hundreds of dollars of top brand professional gear, custom ball(s), and everything - and bowls a 120.
- formerly_proven 2y agoHunters use optics and those give you a parallax-adjusted reticle at infinity / the target distance, so there are no focus problems.