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Missing Henry VIII portrait found after random X post
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago[flagged]
- seneca 2y agoTwitter was renamed to X after being purchased by a new owner.
- hnlmorg 2y agoI thing the GPs point was it’s X post (a comment on the X the platform) rather than x-post (short for “cross post” where an article or comment is shared in multiple spaces, such as sub-Reddits).
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- omoikane 2y agoOnce a thing has an established name, it's hard for people to call it something else. It's like how "Candlestick Park" was once "3Com Park", but most people don't use that name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlestick_Park#Name_changes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlestick_Park#Name_changes
- nashashmi 2y agoApart from the platform name, I was thrown off by the word “after”. Should have been “from”. And I dont like the word “random”. *Missing portrait of Henry VIII randomly found on an X post*
- dang 2y agoYes, but please let's not go into offtopic weeds. "Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- GauntletWizard 2y agoI think "Missing" is a pretty poor choice of word for this; "Presumed lost to history" would better explain what's happened - Which is both incredible and terribly dull at the same time! Somebody connected the dots on the provenance of a quite old painting that was venerated, but perhaps not as much as it should have been, not far from it's last known location - At least in distance, if not time. Great detective work, and far more interesting than if it'd been lost or stolen and people were looking for it - This was a piece that people knew existed, but nobody was looking for.
- boomboomsubban 2y agoedit I was wrong, in my defense I went down a Wikipedia rabbit hole of related topics.
- rtkwe 2y agoIs it? It was made for a tapestry maker but the wikipedia pages and a close look at them say they're paintings. Oil on panel like a lot of other paintings of the period. I think you're misreading "for tapestry maker Ralph Sheldon", he didn't paint them and the artist is not officially known. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henry_VIII_(1491%E2%80%931547)_-_WAR_WARSH_51.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henry_VIII_(1491%E2%...
- addaon 2y ago"Random" is also a pretty bad word for this. But hey, English is hard, and neither word usage impedes understanding of the article itself.
- mike-the-mikado 2y agoAs in Random Access Memory? (I'm not sure of an application for memory that can only be accessed randomly).
- GauntletWizard 2y ago
- bobwolf 2y agoApparently was part of a set of 22 portraits commissioned in the 1590s by tapestry maker Ralph Sheldon and not the only one missing. According to https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-portrait-of-henry-viii-reidentified/#39dbce9f-7f75-4e53-bd6f-c3445b52407b https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-... The 1781 sale at Christie’s of the Weston portraits show that the group included portraits of Henry IV, Henry V, Edward IV, Richard III, Henry VII, Queen Elizabeth, Charles V, Prince Arthur, Henry VIII, Francis King of France, Edward VI, Queen Mother of France, Henry of Bourbon, King of France, Cardinal Wolsey, L. Cromwell Earl of Essex, Sir Thomas Moore, Duke of Alva, Comte Eglemont, Duke of Guise, Duke of Parma and the Earl of Essex.
- simlevesque 2y ago> Apparently was part of a set of 22 portraits commissioned in the 1590s by tapestry maker Ralph Sheldon and not the only one missing. Yes, that's what the article says.
- rob74 2y agoThe article however doesn't mention that the paintings were auctioned off in 1781 (just "sold at auction"), so thanks for that info!
- boomboomsubban 2y agoOther Sheldon tapestries if you're interested, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sheldon_Portraits_Collection https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sheldon_Portrait...
- rtkwe 2y agoThey are paintings not tapestries. Sheldon made tapestries but these were painting for him not made by him. The description of all of those in that page are either sketches or oil on panel paintings.
- boomboomsubban 2y agoMy mistake. Thanks!
- qingcharles 2y agoWhen you're an expert at something and you spend all your days looking at these things, you can pick out remarkable details from nothing. Any regular person looking at the original photo (below) would have seen nothing! https://x.com/Warkslieutenant/status/1808884139585610231/photo/1 https://x.com/Warkslieutenant/status/1808884139585610231/pho... (it's the picture with the curved frame on the left)
- VikingCoder 2y agoYeah, I worked with radiologists... What they can see in x-ray, CT, MR, PET, ultrasound... it's mind-boggling.
- LudwigNagasena 2y agoThe most mind-blowing thing is just how much those skills rely on tacit knowledge and subconscious pattern recognition. There is really a lesson to be learned here in our age when data-based everything is en vogue. Our decision-making shouldn’t be data-driven, it should be data-informed.
- rowanG077 2y agoI disagree. Hasn't it been shown that AI outperform radiologists on recognizing diseases from images?
- rolisz 2y agoNot really. On very narrow datasets, from very specific machines. When they tried to generalize (the way a radiologist does) across multiple hospitals and multiple machines from different manufacturers, results are not that good.
- wanderingmind 2y agocan you point to any reports that provides these studies and outcomes?
- arrowsmith 2y agoReminds me of the "lost" painting that was rediscovered via the movie Stuart Little: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Little_(film)#Lost_painting_unknowingly_used_on_set https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Little_(film)#Lost_pain...
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- lawlessone 2y agoI was thinking Vigo from Ghostbusters.
- rob74 2y agoActually, that (as I just discovered myself) wasn't a painting at all, it was a photo of the actual actor posed and lit to look like a painting: https://triviahappy.com/articles/what-happened-to-the-vigo-the-carpathian-painting-from-ghostbusters-ii https://triviahappy.com/articles/what-happened-to-the-vigo-t...
- qingcharles 2y agoThat's wild. Also wild that the set dresser paid $500 from the film's budget for a random piece of non-key set dressing like this.
- arrowsmith 2y agoMakes me wonder what either priceless lost artefacts are hiding in plain sight somewhere.
- rob74 2y agoOne is definitely the Salvator Mundi painting which (at least according to most experts) is a lost Leonardo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvator_Mundi_(Leonardo)#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvator_Mundi_(Leonardo)#Hist... - it was considered a copy of the lost original for most of its existence because at some point it had been very badly "restored".
- playingalong 2y agoIs there some list of "missing" artwork some hobby OSINTers could try to find? Surely this wasn't the first public photo of this painting posted to internet, was it?
- stereo 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stolen_paintings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stolen_paintings
- your-username 2y ago[flagged]
- twodave 2y agoHuh. I share a surname with the original owner (Sheldon) and once researched Henry XIII for a people fair. I think that means I’m the rightful owner…
- throwup238 2y agoBy British rules if you can smuggle it out of the country, it's legally yours. That's how they filled the British Museum.
- markdown 2y agoBritish? Isn't that just a human rule until about 1946.
- throwup238 2y agoThis Henry VIII portrait is under UK jurisdiction at the moment.
- wordofx 2y agoThat’s such a dumb comment. Back when the British was taking items back to the UK. There were no rules or systems in place for this stuff. You could buy it, trade it, steal it. It didn’t matter. And the UK isn’t the only country to ever do this. Laws were created to resolve/fix/prevent things happening. You can’t blame people for shit that happened before someone decided it’s wrong.
- GolfPopper 2y agoAh, so when the British stole stuff in the first place, that was fine. But once they had it, they created a rule that said "finders keepers!" and no one was allowed to take it away from them. (I grant that the whole scope of modern Western European history and law is a immense and complex topic, but the prior poster, like my snark above, is addressing a very valid topic: using a lax regulatory system to become a dominant player, then imposing rules that protect the established players and make it very difficult for new entrants to match them is something that occurs on many scales and not automatically a good thing, nor is questioning it "dumb".)
- xeromal 2y agoIs it common in British English to use "for" instead of "by" when talking about the creator? ''' After inspecting it personally to test his theory, he confirmed the artwork was created *for* tapestry maker Ralph Sheldon and dated back to the 1590s. It was one of a collection of 22 portraits made *for* Sheldon, but the whereabouts of only a handful were known. ''' I'm confused whether Sheldon is the painter or the commissioner.
- actionfromafar 2y agoI don't think Sheldon made these portraits? They were commissioned as mentioned in other comments.
- jaaaack 2y ago"The artist of the series remains unknown, although his distinct hand is recognised by the title of 'The Sheldon Master'." Corroborated by the original blog post. Odd that the article isn't clear on this point. https://historicalportraits.com/artworks/82-the-sheldon-master-portrait-of-king-edward-vi-1537-53-c.-1590/ https://historicalportraits.com/artworks/82-the-sheldon-mast... https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-portrait-of-henry-viii-reidentified/ https://adamfineart.wordpress.com/2024/07/04/ralph-sheldons-...
- xeromal 2y agoGot you. I was just confused as to why a guy would commission paintings of a king for his own use but I didn't live in that era so maybe it was in vogue.
- qingcharles 2y agoIt's patriotic to have a picture of your royals in your home. You'd find pictures of The Royal Family in British homes, not so much now, but certainly photos of say Diana were fairly common in the 80s.
- xeromal 2y ago
- givinguflac 2y agoAs an aside, I really appreciated the BBC not loading twitter content by default and asking first. This is pretty amazing that such an offhanded catch led to a recovery of something assumed lost to history though.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoEspecially when you consider the vast majority of art is hidden away in storage boxes as investments (someone for money laundering) never to be seen again.
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- Rebelgecko 2y agoWhat is the Warwickshire Lieutenancy? My understanding is it's some sort of royally appointed representative at the county level, but I'm not sure if it's a ceremonial role?
- gadders 2y agoMostly ceremonial/charitable but with some formal duties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord-lieutenant#Duties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord-lieutenant#Duties
- lupusreal 2y agoKind of crazy how the painting ended up so close to where it started.
- dwighttk 2y agoDoes the bbc have a rule against posting links to Twitter or something?
- Log_out_ 2y agoThe sam2 segmenting model going through all social media scanning for stolwn art.