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Reversal of autism symptoms among dizygotic twins: A case report
- IsaacKing 2y agoComplete nonsense. https://x.com/IsaacKing314/status/1815542126543065173 https://x.com/IsaacKing314/status/1815542126543065173
- fiftyacorn 2y agosounds like ABA with diet
- nyc111 2y agoThis MSN link has no paywall https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/autism-can-be-reversed-scientists-discover/ar-BB1qkjlb#:~:text=Severe%20autism%20can%20be%20reversed%20and%20symptoms%20reduced,20%20months%20old%20that%20required%20%E2%80%9Cvery%20substantial%20support%E2%80%9D https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/autism-can-be-reverse....
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y agoThere is no "paywall". It's the annoyances of Javascript. Disable Javascript to read the article. All the major browsers allow users to disable Javascript. It can be done on a per site basis. There is no "non-JS paywall", e.g., access requiring a password, with respect to The Telegraph. It is relatively rare to see "non-JS paywalls" for news sites on the www. Very few restrict access with a password. Disagree? Name some examples. The list will be short. The Telegraph is not on the list.
- thih9 2y agoA JS paywall is still a paywall, it's just that it doesn't affect all clients. Usually temporarily - often the provider adds a non-JS paywall later. Even Experts Exchange, notable because you could access their locked content if you scrolled down a lot, eventually updated their website[1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=166106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=166106
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y agohttps://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/index2.php?rev_t=9999999999999999999999&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.experts-exchange.com%2Fquestions%2F29200758%2FMikrotik-SYN-Cookie.html https://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/index2.php?rev_t=999999999... x=https://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/index2.php?rev_t=9999999999999999999999&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.experts-exchange.com%2Fquestions%2F29200758%2FMikrotik-SYN-Cookie.html tnftp -4o"|grep \"text\":" "$x"
- nyc111 2y ago"The twins underwent behavioural analysis, speech therapy and a strict gluten-free diet and nutrition programme as part of the trial to reduce inflammation." "The diet was casein-free, a protein found in milk; low-sugar; had no artificial colours or dyes; zero ultra-processed foods; primarily organic; and locally sourced." Once again, this shows how important a balanced microbiome is for good lealth.
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- aitchnyu 2y agoHow do I learn the principles of the ideal diet? I'm a 35 year old Indian following traditional diet but with much less rice and more pulses/beans with organic ingredients (if they are are not lying).
- EnigmaFlare 2y agoAccording to this paper, it should be tailored to you individually based on peeing and pooing into a cup to see what's excessive and deficient.
- mathieuh 2y agoJust as our ancestors did.
- nradov 2y agoAn "ideal" diet will maintain energy balance, avoid high doses of certain toxins, and include sufficient essential amino acids, fiber, and micronutrients. Beyond those basics there is no such thing as an ideal diet once you get into specifics. We simply don't know, and most human nutrition research is junk science barely worth publishing. Anyone who claims they know what is ideal is simply ignorant or trying to sell you something. As a practical matter, if you really care about optimizing your own diet then conduct your own n=1 experiments by adding or removing certain foods. Do you feel better? How do your blood sugar levels change? Does your athletic performance improve? This isn't really scientific but good enough for most people.
- iefbr14 2y agoI see no mention in the article of a control group. Maybe repeated autism tests have fluctuating outcomes in young untreated patients as well.
- EnigmaFlare 2y agoIt's not really a scientific study. More of a story about some parents who threw the kitchen sink of hippy treatments (including homeopathy) at their kids by reading books, listening to podcasts(?), and hiring lots of specialists. Maybe the conclusion should be "autism symptoms reversed after highly motivated parents did everything they could think of".
- DANmode 2y agoA case study.
- joo2024 2y agointeresting. but dont confuse this as them wiping their autism away as their brain is still different. espesially when an autistic person grows older and gain more responsibilitys they still gonna struggle like the rest of us i was classed high functioning but as soon as i hit 20 i feel like gotten less high functioning weirdly
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- helsinkiandrew 2y agoThe original paper (PDF free to read) https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4426/14/6/641 https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4426/14/6/641
- WA 2y agoSee how journalists sensationalize. The original title "Reversal of Autism Symptoms among Dizygotic Twins through a Personalized Lifestyle and Environmental Modification Approach" became "Autism can be reversed, scientists discover" which is an entirely different thing. Facepalm.
- mattmaroon 2y agoHow is it sensationalizing? I would not have thought it possible to reverse autism at all, now I do. Only read the abstract but it’s still pretty sensational.
- d0mine 2y agoIt is not reversal of symptoms. From Dr. House: paralytic doesn't reverse pain, it just makes screams go away. ABA (masking) doesn't reverse autism. It just makes it less visible from outside (no matter the cost from within).
- thih9 2y agoE.g. the paper talks about autism symptoms, the sensationalized headline mentions just autism.
- telltaledev 2y ago[dead]
- mandibeet 2y agoThe idea of "reversing" autism symptoms is promising but should be understood in the context of managing symptoms rather than curing the condition
- baq 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y ago"Don't be snarky." "Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- ImaCake 2y agoThis is a terrible headline for an already over-editoralised paper. The entire study revolves around 2 people (twins) and thus no statistics can be performed. Statistics is careful to prune away hypothesises but I am happy to state that this paper is wrong based on its lack of care and shitty title. The description suggests ABA therapy + diet. ABA therapy does in fact improve the percieved symptoms of autism, but it also tends to leave the patient traumatised for life.
- Mistletoe 2y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/15jayxu/eli5_what_is_aba_therapy_and_what_does_it_do/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/15jayxu/...
- ddmf 2y agoABA is based on the same underlying research that gay conversion therapy uses.
- raducu 2y agoI know from various empirical sources that ABA works way better than the alternatives. But how about the gay conversion therapy? Can anybody do any real science on that or any scientist that would touch the topic would have to say goodbye to his career?
- Yawrehto 2y agoIt "works" by forcing people to hide who they are. It's like saying that you got rid of people with brown hair by making them dye it something else, only instead of hair color it's a fundamental part of who they are and it greatly increases the risk of PTSD and it only works if you're measuring the wrong thing and instead of basing it on the autistic person's ability to be okay it bases it on society's expectations and it's child abuse and just no. When autistic people are speaking[1] out[2] en[3] masse[4] against[5] it[6], would you ignore what they say? When they say[7] it's[8] bad[9] and[10] unethical[11] and[12] abusive[13] do you say that it isn't? When a woman goes to a police station saying that she is a victim of domestic violence, should the police say it works way better than the alternatives? Should they reject her statements that it is harmful and bad? If a child comes up to you and says that their parents are beating them and screaming at them if they do poorly in school, would you say that it works way better than the alternatives? Or is it only okay when the person is autistic? [1] https://a4aontario.com/2018/05/24/why-we-oppose-aba-in-any-form/ https://a4aontario.com/2018/05/24/why-we-oppose-aba-in-any-f... [note: a lot of these are personal blogs] [2] https://autisticselfadvocatesagainstaba.wordpress.com/2020/04/13/problematic-and-traumatic-why-nobody-needs-aba/ https://autisticselfadvocatesagainstaba.wordpress.com/2020/0... [3] https://neurodifferent.me/@joshsusser/111495271981897561 https://neurodifferent.me/@joshsusser/111495271981897561 [4] https://autisticadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/First-Hand-Perspectives-on-Behavioral-Interventions-for-Autistic-People-and-People-with-other-Developmental-Disabilities.pdf https://autisticadvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Firs... [5] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41252-021-00201-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41252-021-00201-1, by an autistic author. [6] https://autisticscienceperson.com/why-aba-therapy-is-harmful-to-autistic-people/ https://autisticscienceperson.com/why-aba-therapy-is-harmful... [7] https://loveexplosions.net/2013/09/15/touch-nose-gummi-bear-what-is-aba-and-why-does-it-suck/ https://loveexplosions.net/2013/09/15/touch-nose-gummi-bear-... [8] https://www.the74million.org/article/no-more-cures-no-more-fixes-how-autistic-leaders-are-changing-the-therapy-debate/ https://www.the74million.org/article/no-more-cures-no-more-f... [9] https://awnnetwork.org/my-thoughts-on-aba/ https://awnnetwork.org/my-thoughts-on-aba/ [10] https://unstrangemind.com/aba/ https://unstrangemind.com/aba/ [11]https://www.the74million.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Ethical-Concerns-with-Applied-Behavior-Analysis-for-Autism-Spectrum-Disorder-2020-01-01.pdf https://www.the74million.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Ethi... [12] https://stopabasupportautistics.home.blog/2019/08/11/personal-stories-from-those-formerly-enrolled-in-aba/ https://stopabasupportautistics.home.blog/2019/08/11/persona... [13] https://neuroclastic.com/aba-horror-stories-are-far-too-common/ https://neuroclastic.com/aba-horror-stories-are-far-too-comm...
- ASpring 2y agoAside from the methodological concerns (very valid) this is also published in a set of journals of controversial repute: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI
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- timwaagh 2y agoBasically they did about a thousand things and it resulted in some very real improvements. Their view is that there's no single cause but many and each cause needs to be addressed individually. Which seems realistic. But it doesn't help us see what does what exactly.
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- dang 2y agoPlease don't do this here.
- incomingpain 2y agoI expect this to stay flagged but this article is partially my fault. It's completely true and not editorialized. >The diet was casein-free, a protein found in milk; low-sugar; had no artificial colours or dyes; zero ultra-processed foods; primarily organic; and locally sourced Aspergers can essentially be reversed. Level 2 and 3 can dramatically be reduced. The thing that really upsets me, the anti-autism/adhd discrimination continues.
- xqt40 2y agoI think that your wording is still horrendous. One thing is autism that is in genes and other is behavioral/adaptational etc. change. I can assure you that diet had no impact on my anxiety that I have with my autism, where in stressful situations I have severe communication issues with other people with all rhe "classic autism" symptoms, while in very relaxed environment you will have a hard time to define me as autistic at all - where my adhd(undiagnosed) would crawl out... What realy upsets is how some autistic people are defining themselves an their place in society. I had less issues wit NT people - almost always the people that tried to impose on me some rules were people with diagnosed/undiagnosed spectrum - the worst damage I have seen to others also have been from autistic people as with NTs you can mirror, but with peolle on spectrum - it is a nightmare.
- incomingpain 2y ago>I think that your wording is still horrendous. I deserve that. I legit dont re-read anything i write on here because i tend to be censored. >One thing is autism that is in genes and other is behavioral/adaptational etc. change. Not genetic. GWBush put a ton of money into this and they essentially came away with nothing. 23andme isn't detecting autism via genes. >I can assure you that diet had no impact on my anxiety that I have with my autism, Which diets have you tried? The article never super specified which exactly. Kind of keto but that wouldn't be good enough. You'd still have problems. >where in stressful situations I have severe communication issues with other people with all rhe "classic autism" symptoms, while in very relaxed environment you will have a hard time to define me as autistic at all - where my adhd(undiagnosed) would crawl out... Ya you don't need to be like that anymore. You could be able to sit quietly in a dark room and just be. No chatter in the brain anymore. It's a level of peace that you really need to experience for the first time.
- markx2 2y agoI was a nurse in the Learning Disability field for 17 years, and cared for many people on the spectrum and dealt their parents. Many parents carried guilt. Many parents transferred that guilt into anger at people like me (for some reason they thought that their child would get better care in an hospital setting) or would direct their anger inwards and feel terrible. A simplistic headline, along with no actual research can only make thing worse for carers and families. Families will demand more. Carers will have a harder job.
- techjamie 2y agoWith an apparent sample size of 2, it seems really early to treat this as any sort of breakthrough. I'm particularly skeptical that they spent more effort gloating about the super natural no processed foods diet than they did about the actual medical processes that gave the results. It kinda feels like it's pandering to the anti-modernity pseudo-science crowd to me.