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Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska
- steven1234 2y ago[flagged]
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- havblue 2y ago"Nebraska Legislative Bill 1092 went into effect on Friday making it a requirement for sites that show adult content to verify the age of users. This usually means some form of identification needs to be uploaded to the site to confirm the person using the site is 18 or over. " Yeah, just upload your driver's licence to every sketchy site you browse to. What could go wrong? I'm much more in favor of Leisure Suit Larry's approach:: give the user a quiz on things adults should know. Censor according to how well the user scores on the test.
- nhumrich 2y agoExcept that 16 year olds will likely pass this better than a quarter of adults. Also, is there some magic knowledge you somehow learn the day you turn 18? The problem is from a legal standpoint, 17 and 364 days, is not allowed. But "turned 18 an hour ago" is. Also: we live in the age of chatgpt. Knowledge proves nothing anymore.
- bloqs 2y agoHe isnt saying there is, but hes saying that its better than the alternative
- nhumrich 2y agoHow? It does absolutely nothing to prove the person is an adult. All it does is block actual, legally allowed users. The whole purpose of the proof of ID is legal liability. The quiz doesn't do anything for legal liability.
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- Supermancho 2y ago"All your idea does is X" can be applied to anything and is likely based on nothing but your gut. This is not compelling reasoning.
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- doggero 2y agoOr, just choose not to consume online pornography if you don't want to share your identity documents with a verification service. It really is that simple.
- halJordan 2y agoI definitely was not aware America was a country where i need to be permitted my actions and otherwise kept on a registry of who's allowed to do what.
- Gud 2y agoWell, now you know.
- trealira 2y agoIn every state, it's illegal to sell or supply alcohol to minors, and it's illegal to drive without a license, which can't be accessed by teenagers younger than 16. It seems analogous to require age verification for porn.
- nhumrich 2y agoThat's how alcohol works. It's how cigarettes work. It's even how prescription medicine works.
- EnergyAmy 2y agoOr, just don't pass laws that impinge on people's freedom and privacy. It really is that simple.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y agoNot that I agree with the parent comment but this is pretty much the only thing that laws do. If you start with the assumption that something is legal and only think differently when there's a law that says it's not, then you're not too far off from the practical reality.
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- anon291 2y agoIdeally, what ought to happen is the government sets up a system with cryptographic key pairs in a government database. Adults go to a drug store / grocery store / whoever participates and is licensed to do this. The store clerk checks your ID. If you're an adult, they will give you a public key. The public key comes in an envelope that has been sealed at a government facility. No one can see it until you open the envelope. You can obtain as many of these as you want (you have to pay the cost of the printing / stationary / program admin costs at the time of purchase). To go on pornhub, you need to type in the public key. Porn hub encodes a message with the key and sends to the government database to get a yes / no. Governments can prosecute any store that gives out keys to minors (like with alcohol). Governments can prosecute porn sites that do not adhere to this protocol. This is good because it provides a lot of points where bad actors may fall afoul of the law, and these bad actors were probably the same types going to commit otehr crimes anyway. But the truth is, this will never happen, because sites like PornHub are not interested in keeping minors off. They want to get young kids (boys mostly, although I hear girls are getting more amenable) addicted to their porn.
- Atotalnoob 2y agoWhat happened to privacy? Now the government knows all about my shopping habits…
- anon291 2y agoAt what point of my proposal did the government keep track of shopping habits. The government issues cards to stores; kind of like transit cards at grocery stores. In my city of Portland, if you want a youth transit card you have to show proof you're a kid. Or if you want a senior one, proof you're over 65. Still, the government doesn't actually know who you are. It's just a number. The number is similarly hidden until you open the package. I don't think anyone could track it.
- salawat 2y ago....Store keeps track of proof of id, probably don't randomize the cards going out. Associate the two identifiers... Instant tracking association. Once the capability to do so is acailable, it will be used. No exceptions.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago"Who was the best Canadian lyricist of all time?" {doesn't answer "Gordon Lightfoot"} "Sorry, here's a Youtube link you should watch..."
- paulvnickerson 2y agoThe fact that this website simply refuses to do any kind of age verification says a lot about their leadership and possibly their motives...
- Volundr 2y agoI mean I don't want to be responsible for keeping a bunch of people's photo IDs secure either. What does that say about my leadership and motives?
- wkat4242 2y agoAnd what point is there to even give a website photo ID? How will they validate your face? They have no need for the photo.
- RavingGoat 2y agoIt would be trivial to create a fake photo id site to generate files to upload.
- shrimp_emoji 2y agoYeah, it says a lot of good. You can't do it without turning your site into a panoptical dystopia where even more of your personal data ends up with the NSA, third party data brokers, or hackers on the darknet. None of that's worth people's silly moralism to me.
- wkat4242 2y agoThe thing is, age verification that consists of more than a simple button of "yes I'm over 18" is privacy intrusive. Who wants to register as a porn viewer? Especially in the US where this is stigmatised.
- doggero 2y agoIt's stigmatized for good reason. The amount of abuse within the pornography industry is immense. Anyone with any decent of ethics would refrain from consuming this material.
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- bradneuberg 2y agoSomeone in Nebraska should start a site named Cornhub.
- usui 2y agoWhat do you mean? CornHub already exists https://cornhub.website/ https://cornhub.website/
- nielsbot 2y agoI clicked absentmindedly.. luckily it seems mostly harmless.
- wkat4242 2y agoWould you really have been permanently damaged if it were a porn site? :) I think it's very funny by the way :) Love the idea
- recursive 2y agoLoss of a job can be permanently damaging in some cases.
- wkat4242 2y agoThat doesn't happen if you click on the wrong link once though. I've got the "Adult content is forbidden" Zscaler page many times at work and I didn't even get a call from HR :) Ususally miscategorised but still. And why would they, because if you get this warning you didn't get to see porn, so it doesn't work. There is no point to keep on trying anyway.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y agoProbably more out of caution around workplace-mandated anti-virus/spyware. I don't know if they're sophisticated enough to catch rhymes but it makes sense for general apprehension to surface.
- ta1243 2y agoAnd will be about as effective at prevention
- punkspider 2y agoLoving the choice of words.
- Dig1t 2y agoAccording to Planned Parenthood pulling out is 88% effective. Which is actually not too bad in my opinion :) https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method/how-effective-is-withdrawal-method-pulling-out https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/withdr...
- bitshiftfaced 2y agoThe website says 78% of people will avoid pregnancy in the scope of one year. Over the course of three years, you will more likely than not have an unplanned pregnancy.
- IshKebab 2y agoI wonder what age verification system Pornhub would want. I mean if they actually do want one (dubious) and they don't want to deal with people's IDs (very sensible) then they could propose one. I would have thought it's pretty easy. Have a government site that verifies your ID and just produces some kind of cryptographic token that porn sites can verify but reveals nothing other than the fact that you are over 18. I mean realistically that's pointless because VPNs... but it's better than what they are currently demanding at least.
- jfengel 2y agoIt's not really a question of what PH would want, but what the states will accept. The government isn't going to provide an age identification program, because they really don't want to enable people to watch porn. This isn't about protecting the kiddies; it's about keeping porn out entirely. And PornHub knows perfectly well that nothing they do will satisfy a state prosecutor looking to harass them. Even if they collected photo IDs, police will set up a sting with fake IDs. So they give the government what it wants. They leave. As you said, anybody with a VPN gets their porn just fine, but the government cares more about the perception of morality than actual morality.
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- doggero 2y agoThis is good news. Here's hoping for a federal law that makes age verification for pornographic content a requirement across all states. There's no reason why these sites shouldn't shoulder their share of the responsibility to prevent children from accessing this content. It's really quite telling that Pornhub is removing itself from all markets where it's mandated to do this. Like all dealers of addictive and abusive substances, they want to hook their users in while young and impressionable.
- explodes 2y agoThere are a million other ways to access it. I don't know how introducing privacy invading practices could end up as a net good.
- doggero 2y agoIf you feel that some pornography site would be invading your privacy by asking for age verification, then just don't use it. It really is that easy. No-one's forcing you to watch porn. It's not a necessary consumption. And if you consider the abuse that is rife within the pornography industry, then really it is better to not increase demand for this material by consuming it.
- gambiting 2y ago>>And if you consider the abuse that is rife within the pornography industry, then really it is better to not increase demand for this material anyway. The abuse within Hollywood is legendary at this point, hope you never go to cinema to see any films, better not to increase demand for this stuff /s
- anon291 2y agoLike the privacy invading practice of requiring drug stores to check IDs before selling Playboys? I'm sorry, Playboy is way tamer than Pornhub. There's no reason PH should have less strict access requirements. There's no 'right' to access porn anonymously. For goodness' sake, most states monitor your alcohol consumption by tying purchases to your ID!
- nonameiguess 2y agoSo I'm in Texas and Pornhub already did the same thing here. What I don't get is all of the studio and professional aggregator sites that have existed for 30 years, well before user-generated video platforms were a thing, still operate in Texas. They use exactly the same age verification they've always used. Click yes on a splash screen before you can see free preview content, and submit a credit card to see paid content. If no one complains, we'll assume that was actually your credit card and you're thus 18. Why is that good enough for every porn site in the world except Pornhub? I have still never seen a website ask for an actual ID except remote test proctoring stuff that popped up for IT certification exams after Covid closed the testing centers.
- tills13 2y agoThis might be a case of PornHub's popularity and position actually being detrimental to them, here. The smaller sites are going to operate on a "we'll deal with it when we have to" model whereas PornHub, due to being (or partially being) the reason for the laws in the first place, do not have the luxury of seeing if they are even discovered to be in violation.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoMy understanding is that every site other than pornhub is just ignoring the law and either hoping the state doesnt come after them or just operating offshore where the state has no jurisdiction.
- tennisflyi 2y agoBRCC/ECG explicitly make you provide ID
- gorgoiler 2y agoWhat is the gold standard for age verification online? Is there one? I could take my ID to the library / police station, have it verified, and then get given a USB stick with 16GB’s worth of signed government tokens from a big bucket of unmarked hardware. I guess a bad site could still narrow down who I am to my nearest library / police station though. Proof-of-age tokens that aren’t tied to my ID have the downside that they are transferable. Kind of like a case of beer is transferable from an adult to a child. Is there a better way of keeping are-you-old-enough separate from who-are-you?
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- bastawhiz 2y agoScans of driver's license or passport with a selfie liveness check. That's the best that can be done right now.
- gorgoiler 2y agoID has traditionally had a copy of what you look like embedded into the surface, but wouldn’t it be nice to have an ID that encoded what you sound like? If certain characteristics of my voice could be narrowed down to a QR code I’d feel a lot more comfortable identifying myself with a mic instead of a camera. You could combine that with only one side of the ID showing the QR code and a some proof of age and keeping my actual name to the other side, hidden from the camera. Have me say a random number, see if it matches the QR code for “en_US, male, tenor, southern French accent” to prove it’s me, here, and alive?
- sebazzz 2y agoIn the Netherlands iDIN could be used, by which you verify she though your bank.
- gorgoiler 2y agoDoing it through banking or credit card infra sounds handy. The site gives me a magic number and also sends it to their bank. I give the magic number to my bank and the two banks agree I am old enough without telling their respective customers (or each other) who is asking and who is responding?
- krembo 2y agoHow do they make money? What's their revenue stream? Who's paying $ when most content is for free, and when people really want to pay they go to OF. I know the phrase that when the product is free, then I'm the product, but even then, how do they make money from customers' mostly-incognito data?
- pests 2y agoPH purged all unverified content a few years ago and focuses more on creators like Twitch or YouTube does. You have paid memberships, premium content, tipping, and ads. They even do a pretty good revenue share. It's not the PH of the 2000s. Their parent company, MindGeek, also owns at least 5+ studios themselves including popular ones like Brazzers so it works as promotion/marketing as well.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoPornhub is owned by the biggest porn studio. They push their studios videos, company makes money off subs to their content plus rev share for the independents.
- deafpolygon 2y agoHonestly, what we need are two internet(s): - One for adults over 18 - One for minors under 18 All indications are that we will be heading in that direction.