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I was todays years old, when I found out that Lisa Su (CEO of AMD) and Jensen Huang (co-founder and CEO of NVIDIA) are relatives! If you can't do a merge, it's

I was todays years old, when I found out that Lisa Su (CEO of AMD) and Jensen Huang (co-founder and CEO of NVIDIA) are relatives! If you can't do a merge, it's good to have family onboard ;-)

adverbly 2y ago
I couldn't believe this so I had to Google it. First cousins once removed. I don't really know what to think about this...
- jasonvorhe 2y ago
  All US presidents are directly related to each other: https://curiousmindmagazine.com/all-us-presidents-including-trump-are-descendants-of-the-same-english-king/ https://curiousmindmagazine.com/all-us-presidents-including-... The world's a stage. :)
  - tsunamifury 2y ago
    … and you ain’t on it.
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    A relative from 800 years ago doesn't honestly seem that impressive. That's ~30 generations? That's a whole lot of people. Good luck finding a venue large enough for that family reunion.
    - Retric 2y ago
      It’s more meaningful than you might think because the majority of people on earth probably aren’t decedents of this guy. Especially in the 1700’s when our first presidents where born. Essentially zero US presidents are Asian, Hispanic, etc. Pick a Native American from 30 generations ago and you don’t see this kind of family tree. It’s an expanded circle of privilege through time.
      - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        It's certainly a point, but I don't think "the US presidents are white guys" is going to win any awards for research or journalism. Even Obama, famously the first black president, has a family history of white guys.
        Retric 2y ago
        Today most white people are descends of that guy, but go back to 1732 when George Washington was born and you’re looking at a much tighter family tree.
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        It's true, but knowing that Washington's great grandparents were English certainly cuts that down a fair bit.
        aidenn0 2y ago
        Washington probably thought of himself as English, for that matter.
        Retric 2y ago
        England already had 8 million people at the time, so were are still talking class within England not just anyone from England.
        netsharc 2y ago
        It's a short history, considering Obama's mother is white. Or if you're only counting guys, his maternal grandfather is white.
      - sobellian 2y ago
        There were several US presidents who had modest beginnings. I think this is more a consequence of exponential growth. 2**30 is ~1 billion ancestors, so by the pigeonhole principle and some fairly weak assumptions on mixing, you can count nearly every member of your ethnic group from that time as a distant ancestor. I think this girl landed on Plantagenet mostly because he would have a well-documented lineage compared to your average serf.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Agreed—all that it really shows is that all of them but Van Buren have some form of British ancestry. Even the fact that they're all descended from a King of England isn't especially noteworthy at those kinds of time scales. That said, what's incredibly impressive, if true, is that someone managed to track each of their geneologies that far back along that line. That's not an easy feat. And this isn't just an internet legend: at the very least there really was a girl who really did put together a chart, and she got taken seriously enough to have it included in a Library of Congress exhibit on the Magna Carta [0]. I'd be interested to see the actual chart she made. One possible explanation for how she was able to do this is if each of the presidents connects up to English aristocracy fairly recently, which would account for the records being intact and would be more interesting than just the fact of a shared ancestor in ~1200. [0] https://loc.gov/exhibits/magna-carta-muse-and-mentor/magna-carta-in-culture.html#obj066 https://loc.gov/exhibits/magna-carta-muse-and-mentor/magna-c...
      - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        Oh, it's certainly an impressive feat. I too would like to see the chart she made. > One possible explanation for how she was able to do this is if each of the presidents connects up to English aristocracy fairly recently That would honestly be a more interesting finding personally, discovering that all of America's greatest political leader are just imported British aristocracy.
        lupire 2y ago
        Where do you think the Founding Fathers came from? In the early US "democracy" , only British aristocrats had a vote.
      - jonathan_landy 2y ago
        Would be more clear if impressive if could see what fraction of USA population is related to this one person.
      - aidenn0 2y ago
        > I'd be interested to see the actual chart she made. One possible explanation for how she was able to do this is if each of the presidents connects up to English aristocracy fairly recently, which would account for the records being intact and would be more interesting than just the fact of a shared ancestor in ~1200. Obama's most recent aristocratic ancestor appears to be a "Sir Henry Bold" his 16x great-grandfather. A quick look at some of the genealogies makes it appear that many rely on the same source, which lists 900 royal descendants that immigrated to the new world[1]. With 900 of them several generations back, it wouldn't be too surprising that many politicians would be related. 1: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0806320745/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0806320745&linkCode=as2&tag=famkin0d-20&linkId=52d302f4cbff1e42270270fcc4125b4a https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0806320745/ref=as_li_tl?ie...
  - teleforce 2y ago
    That means they're descendent of arguably the most powerful woman in the world's history, Eleanor the Aquitaine [1]. She's married to both King of France and King of England, and mother of three kings during her lifetime including King John Lackland Plantagenet (progenitor of all 43 US presidents except one). This takes a new meaning to the popular idiom "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". [1] Eleanor of Aquitaine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine
    - IncreasePosts 2y ago
      Ok, being ancestor to 42 presidents is impressive, but how many loser great^30 grand kids does she have?
      - teleforce 2y ago
        In a grand scale of scheme the losers do not really matter, for example imagine that the most successful VC today does have countless failed ventures but if 99% of fortune top 100 of US companies the particular VC has invested in their early startup days, I can say that's much better return than Berkshire Hathaway of Warren Buffet (and BH is not a VC company).
        IncreasePosts 2y ago
        I disagree - there are two independent systems at play here - human success, and evolutionary success. It's unlikely that there are many ancestors of Eleanor of Aquitaine that achieved more human success than George Washington. However, George left this world with zero descendants and his line effectively ended with him. Whereas I'm sure there are a bunch of duds out there who are the same relation to Eleanor of Aquitaine and produced 9 children who each produced a handful of children.
        teleforce 2y ago
        And we are always being reminded that human is well within evolutionary paradigm, are we not? I think there's very much underestimation that the so called modern world is more civilized and successful in their worldly endeavours compared to the earlier generations. It's probable that for Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alexander the Great and/or Aristotle are the ancestors. Comparing George Washington against Alexander and Aristotle, I'd say there is no contest for the former.
  - godelski 2y ago
    The bottom of that link has a video that is far more meaningful[0] It asks the question if the presidents are more related to one another than to another random group. The answer to this is no. This is probably pretty obvious if you actually look at population sizes through time[1]. There's 8 billion people alive today, but we have a billion less in 2010, 1999, (5) 1986, 1974, 1960, 1927, 1800. So in the last 100 years we grew 6 billion people! But in the last 200 years only 7 billion. In 1200 (approximately the time of King John) there was 360 million people in the world. Which is like taking the entire US and distributing across the globe. For reference, there were only 68 million people in Europe[2], which is about the current population of the UK[3] or about the combined population of Tokyo and Delhi (add Shanghai and Sao Paulo if you require city proper). So you can probably just guess through how quickly population exploded that you're going to have convergent family trees without going back very far. Honestly, I'm more surprised it takes 800 years and not less. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shzqqcfvfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shzqqcfvfw [1] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-populat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography [3] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
K0SM0S 2y ago
(-; Indeed always warming to the core to see productive emulation between parallel lines! I'm sure after all their achievements, neither of them wastes time pondering woulda, shoulda, cuda…
- haensi 2y ago
  You made my day with woulda shoulda cuda. I’m going to watch finding NeMo now
laidoffamazon 2y ago
They didn't know about their relation until much later, but if they had Jensen would have been the "cousin you don't want to be like" - he went to Oregon State and worked at a Denny's while Lisa Su went to Bronx Science and on to MIT.
- judge2020 2y ago
  Although he did graduate high school two years early, so he had the intuition. Maybe his parents thought working food service for a bit was a rite of passage.
  - nobutterbetter 2y ago
    [dead]
  - laidoffamazon 2y ago
    Hm, if he graduated early perhaps I can't use him as a positive example to stop me from killing myself. I guess I need to read his early-years biography.
    - rookderby 2y ago
      I have to take this comment at face value. Contact NIMH[1] or your local equivalent. If you or someone you know is in crisis Call or text the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988 (para ayuda en español, llame al 988). The Lifeline provides 24-hour, confidential support to anyone in suicidal crisis or emotional distress. Call 911 in life-threatening situations. If you are worried about a friend’s social media updates, you can contact safety teams at the social media company . They will reach out to connect the person with the help they need. [1] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/suicide-prevention https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/suicide-prevention
- humansareok1 2y ago
  And then he went to Stanford so hardly a failure...

I was todays years old, when I found out that Lisa Su (CEO of AMD) and Jensen Huang (co-founder and CEO of NVIDIA) are relatives! If you can't do a merge, it's good to have family onboard ;-)

adverbly 2y ago

I couldn't believe this so I had to Google it. First cousins once removed. I don't really know what to think about this...

jasonvorhe 2y ago
All US presidents are directly related to each other: https://curiousmindmagazine.com/all-us-presidents-including-trump-are-descendants-of-the-same-english-king/ https://curiousmindmagazine.com/all-us-presidents-including-... The world's a stage. :)
- tsunamifury 2y ago
  … and you ain’t on it.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  A relative from 800 years ago doesn't honestly seem that impressive. That's ~30 generations? That's a whole lot of people. Good luck finding a venue large enough for that family reunion.
  - Retric 2y ago
    It’s more meaningful than you might think because the majority of people on earth probably aren’t decedents of this guy. Especially in the 1700’s when our first presidents where born. Essentially zero US presidents are Asian, Hispanic, etc. Pick a Native American from 30 generations ago and you don’t see this kind of family tree. It’s an expanded circle of privilege through time.
    - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
      It's certainly a point, but I don't think "the US presidents are white guys" is going to win any awards for research or journalism. Even Obama, famously the first black president, has a family history of white guys.
      - Retric 2y ago
        Today most white people are descends of that guy, but go back to 1732 when George Washington was born and you’re looking at a much tighter family tree.
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        It's true, but knowing that Washington's great grandparents were English certainly cuts that down a fair bit.
        aidenn0 2y ago
        Washington probably thought of himself as English, for that matter.
        Retric 2y ago
        England already had 8 million people at the time, so were are still talking class within England not just anyone from England.
      - netsharc 2y ago
        It's a short history, considering Obama's mother is white. Or if you're only counting guys, his maternal grandfather is white.
    - sobellian 2y ago
      There were several US presidents who had modest beginnings. I think this is more a consequence of exponential growth. 2**30 is ~1 billion ancestors, so by the pigeonhole principle and some fairly weak assumptions on mixing, you can count nearly every member of your ethnic group from that time as a distant ancestor. I think this girl landed on Plantagenet mostly because he would have a well-documented lineage compared to your average serf.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Agreed—all that it really shows is that all of them but Van Buren have some form of British ancestry. Even the fact that they're all descended from a King of England isn't especially noteworthy at those kinds of time scales. That said, what's incredibly impressive, if true, is that someone managed to track each of their geneologies that far back along that line. That's not an easy feat. And this isn't just an internet legend: at the very least there really was a girl who really did put together a chart, and she got taken seriously enough to have it included in a Library of Congress exhibit on the Magna Carta [0]. I'd be interested to see the actual chart she made. One possible explanation for how she was able to do this is if each of the presidents connects up to English aristocracy fairly recently, which would account for the records being intact and would be more interesting than just the fact of a shared ancestor in ~1200. [0] https://loc.gov/exhibits/magna-carta-muse-and-mentor/magna-carta-in-culture.html#obj066 https://loc.gov/exhibits/magna-carta-muse-and-mentor/magna-c...
    - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
      Oh, it's certainly an impressive feat. I too would like to see the chart she made. > One possible explanation for how she was able to do this is if each of the presidents connects up to English aristocracy fairly recently That would honestly be a more interesting finding personally, discovering that all of America's greatest political leader are just imported British aristocracy.
      - lupire 2y ago
        Where do you think the Founding Fathers came from? In the early US "democracy" , only British aristocrats had a vote.
    - jonathan_landy 2y ago
      Would be more clear if impressive if could see what fraction of USA population is related to this one person.
    - aidenn0 2y ago
      > I'd be interested to see the actual chart she made. One possible explanation for how she was able to do this is if each of the presidents connects up to English aristocracy fairly recently, which would account for the records being intact and would be more interesting than just the fact of a shared ancestor in ~1200. Obama's most recent aristocratic ancestor appears to be a "Sir Henry Bold" his 16x great-grandfather. A quick look at some of the genealogies makes it appear that many rely on the same source, which lists 900 royal descendants that immigrated to the new world[1]. With 900 of them several generations back, it wouldn't be too surprising that many politicians would be related. 1: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0806320745/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0806320745&linkCode=as2&tag=famkin0d-20&linkId=52d302f4cbff1e42270270fcc4125b4a https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0806320745/ref=as_li_tl?ie...
- teleforce 2y ago
  That means they're descendent of arguably the most powerful woman in the world's history, Eleanor the Aquitaine [1]. She's married to both King of France and King of England, and mother of three kings during her lifetime including King John Lackland Plantagenet (progenitor of all 43 US presidents except one). This takes a new meaning to the popular idiom "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". [1] Eleanor of Aquitaine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine
  - IncreasePosts 2y ago
    Ok, being ancestor to 42 presidents is impressive, but how many loser great^30 grand kids does she have?
    - teleforce 2y ago
      In a grand scale of scheme the losers do not really matter, for example imagine that the most successful VC today does have countless failed ventures but if 99% of fortune top 100 of US companies the particular VC has invested in their early startup days, I can say that's much better return than Berkshire Hathaway of Warren Buffet (and BH is not a VC company).
      - IncreasePosts 2y ago
        I disagree - there are two independent systems at play here - human success, and evolutionary success. It's unlikely that there are many ancestors of Eleanor of Aquitaine that achieved more human success than George Washington. However, George left this world with zero descendants and his line effectively ended with him. Whereas I'm sure there are a bunch of duds out there who are the same relation to Eleanor of Aquitaine and produced 9 children who each produced a handful of children.
        teleforce 2y ago
        And we are always being reminded that human is well within evolutionary paradigm, are we not? I think there's very much underestimation that the so called modern world is more civilized and successful in their worldly endeavours compared to the earlier generations. It's probable that for Eleanor of Aquitaine, Alexander the Great and/or Aristotle are the ancestors. Comparing George Washington against Alexander and Aristotle, I'd say there is no contest for the former.
- godelski 2y ago
  The bottom of that link has a video that is far more meaningful[0] It asks the question if the presidents are more related to one another than to another random group. The answer to this is no. This is probably pretty obvious if you actually look at population sizes through time[1]. There's 8 billion people alive today, but we have a billion less in 2010, 1999, (5) 1986, 1974, 1960, 1927, 1800. So in the last 100 years we grew 6 billion people! But in the last 200 years only 7 billion. In 1200 (approximately the time of King John) there was 360 million people in the world. Which is like taking the entire US and distributing across the globe. For reference, there were only 68 million people in Europe[2], which is about the current population of the UK[3] or about the combined population of Tokyo and Delhi (add Shanghai and Sao Paulo if you require city proper). So you can probably just guess through how quickly population exploded that you're going to have convergent family trees without going back very far. Honestly, I'm more surprised it takes 800 years and not less. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shzqqcfvfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shzqqcfvfw [1] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-populat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography [3] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

K0SM0S 2y ago

(-; Indeed always warming to the core to see productive emulation between parallel lines! I'm sure after all their achievements, neither of them wastes time pondering woulda, shoulda, cuda…

haensi 2y ago
You made my day with woulda shoulda cuda. I’m going to watch finding NeMo now

laidoffamazon 2y ago

They didn't know about their relation until much later, but if they had Jensen would have been the "cousin you don't want to be like" - he went to Oregon State and worked at a Denny's while Lisa Su went to Bronx Science and on to MIT.

judge2020 2y ago
Although he did graduate high school two years early, so he had the intuition. Maybe his parents thought working food service for a bit was a rite of passage.
- nobutterbetter 2y ago
  [dead]
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  Hm, if he graduated early perhaps I can't use him as a positive example to stop me from killing myself. I guess I need to read his early-years biography.
  - rookderby 2y ago
    I have to take this comment at face value. Contact NIMH[1] or your local equivalent. If you or someone you know is in crisis Call or text the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988 (para ayuda en español, llame al 988). The Lifeline provides 24-hour, confidential support to anyone in suicidal crisis or emotional distress. Call 911 in life-threatening situations. If you are worried about a friend’s social media updates, you can contact safety teams at the social media company . They will reach out to connect the person with the help they need. [1] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/suicide-prevention https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/suicide-prevention
humansareok1 2y ago
And then he went to Stanford so hardly a failure...