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macOS Sequoia Preview

338 points by davidbarker 2y ago

dev_daftly 2y ago
I would love it if I could have different natural scrolling settings for mouse and trackpad, but that's apparently too much to ask for despite it being supported by every other os.
- mjmsmith 2y ago
  https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels ?
- SamuelAdams 2y ago
  There is also Mos, it is a bit smoother in my experience: https://mos.caldis.me/ https://mos.caldis.me/
- btmiller 2y ago
  https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/
- seaal 2y ago
  This drives me crazy. The amount of low hanging fruit that Apple continues to fail on delivering is disappointing.
lawlessone 2y ago
So is this as problematic as Co-pilot / Recall?
lxgr 2y ago
iPhone mirroring sounds great from a usability point of view, but I wonder if this will enable new types of scams. Many people use their phone as a second authentication factor these days via TOTPs etc., the assumption there being that somebody with access to your computer can't get to it. This kind of invalidates that, which could be a problem when screen sharing to tech support scammers.
mrpippy 2y ago
Rosetta now supports AVX2, this is a big deal for running Windows games in CrossOver/Wine
ksec 2y ago
macOS Sequoia update is interesting. It has been at least 5 - 6 years I felt macOS had some useful upgrade. But It is also arguably the smallest OS update in terms of number of new features sans Apple Intelligence. Most of the time macOS update talks about features that I have no idea who are they aiming for, or it felt more like certain people had to get new features in every macOS update for the sake of it. This time around most of them very small but useful additions. iPhone Mirroring and Notification. No longer do I have to find my phone when I am at home sitting in front of my Mac just to check on notification. I could also enjoy most of my iPhone Apps and even some gaming without leaving my Mac. Making the Mac an extension of my iPhone. Very handy and useful. Something I wanted a very long time but thought Apple wouldn't do it. Seamless drag and drop between devices - Probably need more testing, but AirDrop isn't reliable for doing massive amount of Files between iPhone and Mac. And again transferring files from Mac to an iPhone Apps no longer requires 5+ tedious steps. Control over web video - Semi-Full Screen Video and the important thing here is "system playback controls". Some of the online video controls are just awful. Notes - It does 90% of what I need from Soulver. I guess unit conversion won't be as good. And the Collapsible sections meant another note taking app of mine wont be needed. Unfortunately Safari doesn't seems to get much update. It is still the worst browser for Tab Heavy Users. And their world fastest browser tagline for so many years is annoying because it is clearly very specific to limited cases. Both Chrome and Recent Firefox are simply faster. Apart from Safari, my current major annoyance, unless there are some new problems from Sequoia, I am not even sure what is missing from macOS. At least right now it does seems macOS, in my view is 99% complete. The only Apps [1] I will need installing as I wrote a few months ago are; IINA - Media Player QuickLook Video - Adds non-quicktime supported Video to Finder Preview. Unarchiver or Keka - RAR or Zip files. Little Snitch Mini - Network Monitoring Transmission - Bit torrent Apple Numbers, Pages - Alternative to M$ Office if you dont need all the features. Text Editor - VS Code or Sublime, And that is it. Other than the Apps above and Default Apps by Apple like Stocks and Notes, 99% of my time are inside Browser. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39164362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39164362
sircastor 2y ago
The commentary stream I was watching described it as "An whole lot of Sherlocking going on": Passwords app, Window Snapping, iPhone to mac Display mirroring. It feels especially tone deaf that they're doing it at their developer conference If you're unfamiliar with the term, "Sherlocking" is the act of Apple introducing some 3rd-party's App features as a core component of the operating system, essentially obviating the app and the developers that created it. An incomplete list of "Sherlocked" things: - Watson - a tool for finding stuff on your Mac. Replicated by Apple's "Sherlock", hence the name of the phenomenon. - Growl - Popover notifications Replicated by Apple's "Notifications" - Konfabulator - provided a layer of widgets that could do various things, sort of like the old desk accessories applets. Replicated by Apple's "Dashboard" - Camo - Allowed you to use your iPhone as a webcam. Replicated by Apple's "Continuity Camera" The list goes on and on.
- aurareturn 2y ago
  What’s the problem? 99% of Mac users would never download and use those apps due to convenience. But if Apple builds the features into the OS, it will get used much more and benefit the users. I don’t use a password manager. I refuse to pay a subscription for one. Yet, I’ve been wanting Apple to convert Keychain into a real password manager for a long time. They actually did it and I’m happy.
  - sircastor 2y ago
    I think there is a significant ethical issue related to inviting others to build software on your platform, prove that software’s market value, and then you under-cutting them by creating your own version of it for free to increase sales.
    - aurareturn 2y ago
      So what do you think is the solution? Something like window snapping has been out since Windows Vista or 7, I forgot. If you make an app to do this on macOS, you would have had nearly 20 years to make sales. To me, these apps don't have any moat anyway. Developers for this category of apps should already understand that if it's essential, Apple or Google or Microsoft will integrate it into their OS eventually.
thenaturalist 2y ago
Might seem like a small one, but finally: a passwords app. That one really makes me happy. 1Password was a bliss until they went all in on subscriptions, and Bitwarden, for all its benefits is, I gotta say, rather abysmal when it comes to GUI and UX of their native app. The Passwords app looks like the best of both worlds in terms of UX and functionality.
- samuria 2y ago
  I really hope that there's a way to integrate the new passwords app into browsers other than Safari. The only reason I'm still with 1Password is because of their Firefox extension for auto fill.
  - mstolpm 2y ago
    You can already "autofill" Firefox (and other) input fields with keychain data in Sonoma. Its a bit cumbersome, but right click into the field, select "autofill" from the context menu, then either "passwords" or "contacts", search/select/confirm the data to be inserted.
    - samuria 2y ago
      There's a bunch more to "autofilling". 1Password has ability to generate new passwords, save new registrations, autofill MFA codes, and even read QR codes on screen to setup MFA. None of this is possible on Firefox with Keychain.
- jairuhme 2y ago
  I didn't see any details, but I'm hoping that you can easily import password lists. I just set up 1Password, I'd hate to have to input each individual password again
  - seaal 2y ago
    Keychain already allow for imports from a .CSV file for years now.
dmix 2y ago
This seems like one of the best MacOS release I can remember I hold Snow Leopard to high esteem still because it made everything faster and smoother.
- ksec 2y ago
  Agree. Now I just want bug fix and performance improvements in future release and stop cramping more and more useless features for the sake of it.
- inferiorhuman 2y ago
  Counterpoint: this is one of the most disappointing releases I've seen. I hold Snow Leopard to high esteem still because it made everything faster and smoother. Well there's the rub. Snow Leopard was largely a bug fix release. Sonoma is atrocious. It is the buggiest release I've dealt with since the pre-Tiger days. You name it, it's broken. File sharing (both SMB and AFP are broken in different ways). Dtrace. Keyboard input. The atrociously enshittified settings app. Hell iMessage stopped synchronizing with my phone while I'm on a VPN. As long as the focus is on whiz bang bullshit I can't imagine Sequoia will be any good.
ksec 2y ago
Safari 18 no longer support Monterey. i.e MacBook Air before 2018 is no longer able to update. Not sure if there is anyway to get around this limitation. Unfortunately Safari seems to be tied to three macOS release support.
- freediver 2y ago
  You can run latest WebKit as far as Catalina with Orion [1] (disclaimer, one of those crazy devs still maintaining support for latest WebKit on older macOS versions) [1] https://kagi.com/orion https://kagi.com/orion
  - ksec 2y ago
    Thank You. Will try that. Was surprised at the KeyChain Integration.
Reason077 2y ago
I hate the notification centre on macOS. Don't see why I need to have notifications appear both on my iPhone and Mac, it's just an annoyance. I'd rather have the notification centre widgets (weather, clock, calendar, etc) always appear without notifications. (Also, I miss the old widget Dashboard from old versions of macOS. Wish they'd bring that back with the new widgets tech).
- setopt 2y ago
  Not a huge fan either – mainly because it’s hard to interact with it purely via the keyboard. Depending on the implementation, I am however looking forward to this. I need to use some systems that only provide 2FA via a mobile app (i.e. Push OTP), and having to reach for my phone during work hours is pretty bad for my productivity and flow. (I really prefer TOTP, which I can just let 1Password handle…)
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  > I'd rather have the notification centre widgets (weather, clock, calendar, etc) always appear without notifications. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but did you know you can pin widgets to your desktop in Sonoma? They don’t have to be tucked away in the Notification Center anymore; the entire bottom half of my second monitor is a big widget dashboard.
  - Reason077 2y ago
    That does sound like an improvement: in combination with the "Show Desktop" keyboard shortcut it will give quicker access to widgets than going through the clunky notification centre. And it will mean the widgets stay in one place and don't move around because some tiresome notifications got piled up above it. However, it still doesn't sound as good as the old Dashboard, where widgets effectively got their own desktop (available for quick access at any time with a single keypress or touchpad gesture). This would also be more consistent with iOS, where you can just swipe to the left-most home screen to see a dashboard of widgets. I like to maintain a "clean desktop" look so not sure if I love the idea of cluttering it up with widgets, but I'll give it a try!
rqtwteye 2y ago
For me as hiker the trail map stuff looks interesting. I wonder if it will compete with Alltrails or Gaia.
charles_f 2y ago
> Tapback with any emoji or sticker > Express yourself in more ways than ever. This is quite an overselling of "allowing emojis as answers".
Isuckatcode 2y ago
I wish the password manager app allowed you to set a custom password to open the app. The iPhone password is something that people often share easily with those around them. With just the passcode, a person with bad intentions could easily gain access to all the passwords
divbzero 2y ago
I like that Apple is still investing in the basics, e.g. “a table of contents and high-level summary” for Reader mode in Safari, “topographic maps with detailed trail networks” in Maps, and “history and unit conversions” in Calculator.
- Axsuul 2y ago
  I wish there was a way for Siri to dictate an article too from that dropdown.
suneater921 2y ago
iPhone mirroring is going to be terrible for schools, especially those with a “keep it in your bag” policy. Good luck getting any research or typing work done.
devinprater 2y ago
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't get a new Mac. I'll wait until VoiceOver can easily be used in the Terminal, on Google Docs, and Salesforce.
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wwalexander 2y ago
I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.
- thiht 2y ago
  FINALLY! I really didn’t it to come to Mac, ever. Now so just need a clipboard history manager, a way to make cmd+tab behave like Windows alt+tab, a way to mute the mic in the status bar, and a different setting for the trackpad/mouse wheel direction, and I won’t need to install random apps for basic features anymore.
  - pxc 2y ago
    don't forget per-app volume control, linear scroll wheel speed, some reasonable way to manage menu bar icons and ensure all can actually be accesses and used, a way to prevent the system from going to sleep (the built-in `caffeinate` command hasn't worked for years!), and searching through open windows by typing!
    - tiltowait 2y ago
      I use caffeinate all the time. What's wrong with it?
      - pxc 2y ago
        When sleep is supposedly disabled by caffeinate, closing the lid still puts my laptop to sleep. It's been like that as since I first tried it, several years ago. But your comment inspired me to Google anew and... I guess it was always intended to only kind of disable sleep?
    - LexGray 2y ago
      > reasonable way to manage menu bar icons I believe the new control center API is intended to push seldom used icons into the control center > searching through open windows by typing The new Siri is context aware once the developers include their data through new APIs. The Microsoft version which was snooping through private browsing, secure apps, and logging passwords in open databases was not the right way to go.
minimaxir 2y ago
The iPhone Mirroring was the most interesting announcement (and I don't think was leaked). I suspect it will only be useful for emergencies as latency will be terrible, though.
- pazimzadeh 2y ago
  this is needed on Vision Pro
  - agloe_dreams 2y ago
    Which, weirdly, should be simple. The Vision Pro’s Mac mirroring is probably the exact same stack as the IPhone to Mac feature.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  Goodbye having to lift my phone to use crappy enterprise MFA solutions.
- Detrytus 2y ago
  The only use case for iPhone Mirroring I can think of is online shopping, when I'm trying to finalize transaction on my Mac, but then realize that I have to login to my banking app to confirm payment, and my iPhone is in another room... I guess you can call that "an emergency". And of course, there are all those MFA apps which I need for work...
- agloe_dreams 2y ago
  I’m fully expecting this to just be a ported version of the Vision Pro’s feature that allows a Virtual Desktop of your Mac. In that context, it seemed to have extremely low latency.
- k8sToGo 2y ago
  With WiFi 6e latency should be ok.
- tsujamin 2y ago
  Sidecar/display mirroring from my macbook to my ipad is pretty low latency, so presumably this will be based on a similar technology stack
pmx 2y ago
I have high hopes for the background replacement tech, the segmentation built into teams isn't very good.
- minimaxir 2y ago
  The demo they showed used the iPhone Continuity Camera, which has depth information and already does a great job of segmentation as it's required for the Portrait and Studio Light effects. I suspect quality will be worse on a typical Mac FaceTime camera.
  - xenonite 2y ago
    Good point, but not for details: I doubt that the depth information is of much help for separating hairs from the background.
- viraptor 2y ago
  You can always use your own removal with OBS. There's a plugin for automatic background removal and you can re-export the video as a virtual camera that any other app can use.
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corytheboyd 2y ago
I’d love to have a proper window organizer with keyboard shortcuts built into the OS, one less thing to have to install on the side. Hopefully it’s fast, with no annoying flair.
- sleepybrett 2y ago
  I'll probably still use phoenix since I can code it to do whatever I want. https://github.com/kasper/phoenix https://github.com/kasper/phoenix
  - kalb_almas 2y ago
    Dude thank you SO MUCH for sharing this. I use Rectangle to tile windows and I've been looking for a way to switch between windows based on their position on my screen rather than their type for probably about a year now.
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AnonC 2y ago
The iPhone mirroring feature and the related feature of being able to control the screen on another person’s device is going to be quite helpful, personally speaking. But the screen control feature can also be a threat that scammers could convince someone to allow and then defraud them. I’ll be looking forward to try this out and see how (well) it works.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  I don't think scammers will be able to exploit the control feature, as you will most likely need to have two apple devices in close physical proximity.
  - AnonC 2y ago
    GP here. I said "related feature" because I didn't recall what was exactly said in the keynote. FaceTime calls can be used to take control of the other person's iPhone in iOS 18. This is where scammers could convince people to allow access and perform actions when they (the scammers) get control.
adamors 2y ago
Should have called it Sherlock as they seem to be Sherlocking a lot of apps. For instance I only use Fantastical because I can see my reminders with my events, I assume many people will also switch from a paid password manager to this as well.
- woah 2y ago
  I'm guessing (and Apple is probably betting) that far more new users of Passwords will be switching from not having used a password manager at all, not switching from a different password manager. I pay for Bitwarden, and will probably continue doing so because I can't be bothered to switch.
  - yunwal 2y ago
    Also until Passwords is easily usable on non-Apple devices, there’ll be a place for password managers.
    - thirdsun 2y ago
      I think they mentioned it will be available on Windows via iCloud for Windows. But yes, seems like a second class platform for the app.
- maronato 2y ago
  My thought exactly. Today must’ve been a sad day for many app developers.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  Can you use an arbitrary account in the new password app ? The screenshots had no indication of it, and it doesn't seem to have a web counterpart. One of the major PITA for keychain was the association with your logged in AppleID. If it 's still that way, I don't see a real appeal for people who already went their way to pay for a full-fledge product. Imagine killing your phone and asking a nearby friend to borrow theirs to quickly cancel an appointment to give you time to deal with it. That's the kind of situation that should be gracefully handled by a password manager service.
freediver 2y ago
A cool tidbit shown in one of the screenshots is that Apple Pay will be unlocked to other browsers. It is not clear whether they will need to be running WebKit or not for this to work, but looking forward to support in Orion.
- lxgr 2y ago
  Given that all relevant browsers on macOS either bring their own WebKit build or run another engine, system-WebKit only would be close to false advertising, so I really hope it's not. I'm really looking forward to this – big fan of Apple Pay, but I'm not switching to Safari and rebuilding my shopping cart for non-logged-in purchases, and that's where it's arguably most useful.
  - azinman2 2y ago
    Chrome is not using system webkit.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      That's my point exactly. If they'd limit to system webkit, they'd exclude the biggest non-Safari browser, making this a non-feature. Word is that it'll work via QR code scanning from an iPhone anyway, in all browsers! Very clunky, but much better than Webkit only.
xenospn 2y ago
I’ve been wishing for iPhone notifications on my Mac for the longest time!
- dmitshur 2y ago
  I wonder if it’ll do anything about duplicate notifications. As a basic example, the Weather app exists both on iOS (and iPadOS) and macOS, so if it’s enabled, would you get duplicate notifications on macOS?
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    I really need to unfuck my notifications; I'm getting them from Chrome (Google Calendar), Office (work calendar), and MacOS calendar (where I have a copy of all of them). Should unify that stuff. Oh, and I get more notifications on my other laptop which has some similar calendars. And my phone, too.
  - xenospn 2y ago
    I could always use more reminders that it’s going to rain in 13 minutes
- autoexecbat 2y ago
  Just waiting for yet more of "Apple Arcade Free For 3 Months" style notifications
srott 2y ago
I wish they’d have an LTS version, I’m in constant fear of what will go wrong next…
- cyclecount 2y ago
  Every release is an LTS version, with support for about 8 years. The current stable release of macOS (10.14 Sonoma) supports all Macs introduced in 2017 and later.
  - luuurker 2y ago
    Older macOS versions don't receive all security fixes, so while you'll receive security updates from time to time, the OS isn't fully patched. It's a bit different from, say, Ubuntu LTS.
- rafaelturk 2y ago
  You still receive security updates for all manjor MacOSes, so albeit lack of proper naming you can assume each new release as LTS.
  - luuurker 2y ago
    Small, but important detail: you receive some security updates, not all. Same with iOS.
alberth 2y ago
Tech Debt Wow, those are a lot of features being added (even if it's largely userland). I can't even imagine the amount of tech debt for an OS that's 23-years old (and older if you count NextStep). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  First off, you don't need to title your comments. That said, just because a codebase is old doesn't mean it has a lot of tech debt; that's down to maintenance, discipline, and setting priorities. There was a blogger which kept tabs on what Apple's iOS (apps?) were being written in, showing a steady migration towards Swift, which tells me they're not just letting code sit and rot.
xnx 2y ago
I'm very productive in Windows, but Microsoft's recent behavior (jamming Windows full of Edge dark patterns and ads) and the improvement of window management in macOS tempts me to give it another try.
- htk 2y ago
  I know your situation very well, I still develop a lot on Windows, but my main computer is a Mac. I find the hardware amazing, and the software a joy to use. Windows 11 is behaving more and more like the viruses and adwares I spent so many years defending against.
- lawlessone 2y ago
  I just switched to Kubuntu. Everything I want/need including games via steam run perfectly on it now. I can't see a reason to return to MS or got to Apple.
- spartanatreyu 2y ago
  I've used Windows solely for gaming and MacOS solely for MacOS/iOS development (work). But now... - Windows is full of AI/Adware bloat with more getting added every few months - Linux's gaming/nvivia support has come such a long way that in some games it's beating Windows in some benchmarks now - Apple's app store policies over the last 10 years have caused so many issues that our company is switching everything to webapps. So I'll probably be switching from Windows+MacOS+Linux this year to just Linux next year. Thinking of using the KDE or Cosmic desktop environments for personal computer and NixOS for development computer (just so I can test/rollback changes, and if the computer ever dies I can be up and running again in under an hour if I need to meet a deadline).
  - aurareturn 2y ago
    You don’t have to use the App Store on MacOS.
    - spartanatreyu 2y ago
      No but if you want to distribute your app and hope to get any users at all then you need to sign/notarize your app then release it on the macos app store.
spankalee 2y ago
I wonder - if you're not an iPhone user, will Macs soon just not really be for you anymore? I don't care about iPhone integration, Siri, or Apple's AI.
- nottorp 2y ago
  TBH i have both Macs and iPhones and not only I don't use any integration options (with the exception of reading and sending text messages from my laptop) but I'm pretty sure I don't even know about 90% of them.
  - chatmasta 2y ago
    I explicitly use different Apple IDs on each device because I don’t want to accidentally opt into features like mirroring my messages across them.
    - nottorp 2y ago
      I do! I work from home and when home I never know where my phone is. Having messages and calls on my desktop means I don't have to care.
  - mgrandl 2y ago
    The only thing I use is the clipboard sharing.
    - nottorp 2y ago
      I hate clipboard sharing :) I really don't need to paste the pieces of code I've been working on on my desktop on my phone. Everyone has different needs.
- eviks 2y ago
  Note transcription is useful without an iPhone
- buzzerbetrayed 2y ago
etherlord 2y ago
Man I hope they expose the tiling functionality so software like Yabai can hook in and make it automatic.
nostrademons 2y ago
I wonder how the "seamlessly drag and drop files, photos, and videos between your iPhone and Mac" will work. Right now, if you just want to grab the raw files of your photos and videos and not deal with the Photos app, your best bet is Image Capture, a 20+ year old seemingly unmaintained program that seems to glitch out disturbingly frequently. I really hope they can introduce something that seamlessly lets you drag photos off your phone and into your filesystem, just in the Finder.
- amarshall 2y ago
  Drag and dropping photos and other files from iPhone (plugged via USB) works well on Linux in the file browser. Too bad it seems Apple can’t figure it out on their own OS, though maybe they have now.
- isametry 2y ago
  > and not deal with the Photos app What’s the point of this qualifier? Why not use the current, up-to-date default app for photo import that has been there since 2002 to literally serve this purpose? Yes it has a lot of extra functionality, but that doesn’t mean you have to use it. You can get originals from Photos and be done with it…
- cantSpellSober 2y ago
  > Every time you email a file to yourself so you can pull it up on your friend's laptop, Tim Berners-Lee sheds a single tear. https://xkcd.com/949/ https://xkcd.com/949/
- dataflow360 2y ago
  iMazing might be worth checking out, for photo and video import/export. It also has a Quick Transfer feature so you just drag and drop a file to your target device, and iMazing gives you a choice of apps to send the file to. It's similar to AirDrop but also works for Windows and seems a bit faster and more stable.
- josefdlange 2y ago
  Universal Access (Control? Whatever it's called) between multiple Macs not only allows sharing input methods but also dragging files back and forth, and works pretty seamlessly. I imagine the same mechanism is at work here.
thih9 2y ago
> iPhone notifications on Mac I was hoping for improvements to iPhone's notifications, not have them expand to other devices. I'm quite happy with all the social media notifications being confined to a single device; I can pick it up and check it when I want to, or put it away and ignore for a while. I know Apple wants me to set some sort of focus / do not disturb, but managing that seems too complex when the analog "put the phone away" works.
djhworld 2y ago
The iPhone mirroring looked interesting, I'm not sure why I would use it but it might come in handy in a pinch. One thing not clear in the presentation (or maybe I missed it) was how this feature works when apps ask for FaceID, e.g. finance apps. Presumably either they fail, or fallback to some other authentication means e.g. passcode.
nofunsir 2y ago
Wish I could use Safari with uBO, so that I could use Safari. Tired of feature fragmentation in 3rd party software, but equally tired of ostensible limitations in 1st party software that try to control and prevent every single edge case use in the name of "uSeR ExPeRiEnCe". EDIT: I'd like to add the following, in case any Safari team members come across this in the wake of today's keynote. I remain utterly disgusted by things like: - hiding the full url by default - force hiding the full url on certain ($) search engine sites - force injecting 'client=safari' into my urls for ($) - {google, yahoo, bing, duckduckgo, ecosia} - inability to specify custom search engines and their urls - removal of RSS reader (still salty)
- runjake 2y ago
  If anyone is wondering why uBlock Origin is no longer available for Safari, since version 13, see: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#issuecomment-926733561 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#is... And for watching Safari status ongoing: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52
  - nofunsir 2y ago
    Yes. But, "... if ever there is a port to Safari, that will be MV3 uBO Lite, not uBO, which requires MV2." --gorhill
  - nottorp 2y ago
    It's not available because Apple don't want to allow it. Hence I use Firefox.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  NextDNS solves ads. Anything super special you can use the Stopthemadness plugin.
  - strunz 2y ago
    I don't believe either of those block YouTube ads on Safari
ConanRus 2y ago
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ilikehurdles 2y ago
First time in recent memory that I’ve been totally blown away with a macOS announcement. I’m excited for a majority of the features here. Maps, tiling, smart reader, info extraction.
Yaggo 2y ago
Still no re-nameable virtual desktops? Bummer.
- cjk2 2y ago
  Err we already have that in Sonoma. Press F3 and move the mouse to the top of the screen. You can even switch between them with a triple swipe on a magic trackpad...
  - aldonius 2y ago
    If you can _rename_ desktops though, I've never seen how. e.g. in Mission Control right now I have "Desktop 1", "Desktop 2", and full-screened iTerm2 on my external monitor, plus "Desktop 3" and about 6 other fullscreen apps on my laptop. I have somewhat semantic meaning for what each of those three numbered desktops are, but it'd be nice to _name_ them.
    - isametry 2y ago
      I find it helpful to set a different wallpaper for every space. In fact, that approach has been so useful that I’ve mostly stopped wishing to rename the spaces – I can glance at the colors so much faster than I could ever read a written title anyway.
      - aldonius 2y ago
        Yeah I do this too, I can't imagine not having different wallpapers. But when I'm pinning apps to desktops via the Dock it'd be nice to have the names then.
bsimpson 2y ago
My corp desktop is an iMac Pro (2018). For a long time, it was the best way to get a Retina-quality desktop without getting into VFX budgets. It was also in that weird period in Apple's product calendar when the one-and-done trash can was obsolete, but its replacement hadn't been released. Work usually issues whatever panels they can buy in bulk from overseas, but for a magical window, we could get a nice screen with no shenanigans by ordering an iMac Pro. My heart dropped for a second when I saw Sequoia only supports iMacs from 2019, until I saw it supports iMac Pros from 2017. I wonder how much longer I have before Apple stops releasing updates, and corp IT decides the iMac Pro is now e-waste. It's really unfortunate that they don't do Target Display Mode anymore. These iMacs have panels that are still top-of-the-line 6 years later. (A Studio Display is basically an iMac Pro with Apple Silicon in Target Display Mode.) I wonder if there will be a Linux distribution to convert these things into monitors when they go obsolete.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  I've got so much perfectly-working e-waste from Apple. It's so sad. I'm on a Late 2014 Mac mini that's stuck on Monterey macOS 12 and a Late 2014 retina iMac that's stuck on Big Sur macOS 11(!!) An iPhone7 that's stuck on iOS15. The display on that iMac is still IMO second to none. These computers do everything I need, yet their software support is stuck back in time. And 3rd party developers are terrible about supporting previous version of macOS. They alway seem to assume you are running the latest and greatest, and deliberately remove support for earlier OSs. Hell, I have an O.G. iPad 1 that still works perfectly as it did the day I bought it, but most of the built-in software no longer works, and the App Store is basically empty. What a sad state of affairs.
  - EricE 2y ago
    Your not stuck (the Mac's at least) https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
    - sgerenser 2y ago
      I have a 2012 Mac mini server running Monterey right now thanks to Open Core. Still getting security updates (for now at least). Too many reported issues with Ventura and Sonoma to bother trying them.

338 points by davidbarker 2y ago

I would love it if I could have different natural scrolling settings for mouse and trackpad, but that's apparently too much to ask for despite it being supported by every other os.

mjmsmith 2y ago
https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels ?
SamuelAdams 2y ago
There is also Mos, it is a bit smoother in my experience: https://mos.caldis.me/ https://mos.caldis.me/
btmiller 2y ago
https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/
seaal 2y ago
This drives me crazy. The amount of low hanging fruit that Apple continues to fail on delivering is disappointing.

lawlessone 2y ago

So is this as problematic as Co-pilot / Recall?

lxgr 2y ago

iPhone mirroring sounds great from a usability point of view, but I wonder if this will enable new types of scams. Many people use their phone as a second authentication factor these days via TOTPs etc., the assumption there being that somebody with access to your computer can't get to it. This kind of invalidates that, which could be a problem when screen sharing to tech support scammers.

mrpippy 2y ago

Rosetta now supports AVX2, this is a big deal for running Windows games in CrossOver/Wine

ksec 2y ago

macOS Sequoia update is interesting. It has been at least 5 - 6 years I felt macOS had some useful upgrade. But It is also arguably the smallest OS update in terms of number of new features sans Apple Intelligence. Most of the time macOS update talks about features that I have no idea who are they aiming for, or it felt more like certain people had to get new features in every macOS update for the sake of it. This time around most of them very small but useful additions. iPhone Mirroring and Notification. No longer do I have to find my phone when I am at home sitting in front of my Mac just to check on notification. I could also enjoy most of my iPhone Apps and even some gaming without leaving my Mac. Making the Mac an extension of my iPhone. Very handy and useful. Something I wanted a very long time but thought Apple wouldn't do it. Seamless drag and drop between devices - Probably need more testing, but AirDrop isn't reliable for doing massive amount of Files between iPhone and Mac. And again transferring files from Mac to an iPhone Apps no longer requires 5+ tedious steps. Control over web video - Semi-Full Screen Video and the important thing here is "system playback controls". Some of the online video controls are just awful. Notes - It does 90% of what I need from Soulver. I guess unit conversion won't be as good. And the Collapsible sections meant another note taking app of mine wont be needed. Unfortunately Safari doesn't seems to get much update. It is still the worst browser for Tab Heavy Users. And their world fastest browser tagline for so many years is annoying because it is clearly very specific to limited cases. Both Chrome and Recent Firefox are simply faster. Apart from Safari, my current major annoyance, unless there are some new problems from Sequoia, I am not even sure what is missing from macOS. At least right now it does seems macOS, in my view is 99% complete. The only Apps [1] I will need installing as I wrote a few months ago are; IINA - Media Player QuickLook Video - Adds non-quicktime supported Video to Finder Preview. Unarchiver or Keka - RAR or Zip files. Little Snitch Mini - Network Monitoring Transmission - Bit torrent Apple Numbers, Pages - Alternative to M$ Office if you dont need all the features. Text Editor - VS Code or Sublime, And that is it. Other than the Apps above and Default Apps by Apple like Stocks and Notes, 99% of my time are inside Browser. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39164362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39164362

sircastor 2y ago

The commentary stream I was watching described it as "An whole lot of Sherlocking going on": Passwords app, Window Snapping, iPhone to mac Display mirroring. It feels especially tone deaf that they're doing it at their developer conference If you're unfamiliar with the term, "Sherlocking" is the act of Apple introducing some 3rd-party's App features as a core component of the operating system, essentially obviating the app and the developers that created it. An incomplete list of "Sherlocked" things: - Watson - a tool for finding stuff on your Mac. Replicated by Apple's "Sherlock", hence the name of the phenomenon. - Growl - Popover notifications Replicated by Apple's "Notifications" - Konfabulator - provided a layer of widgets that could do various things, sort of like the old desk accessories applets. Replicated by Apple's "Dashboard" - Camo - Allowed you to use your iPhone as a webcam. Replicated by Apple's "Continuity Camera" The list goes on and on.

aurareturn 2y ago
What’s the problem? 99% of Mac users would never download and use those apps due to convenience. But if Apple builds the features into the OS, it will get used much more and benefit the users. I don’t use a password manager. I refuse to pay a subscription for one. Yet, I’ve been wanting Apple to convert Keychain into a real password manager for a long time. They actually did it and I’m happy.
- sircastor 2y ago
  I think there is a significant ethical issue related to inviting others to build software on your platform, prove that software’s market value, and then you under-cutting them by creating your own version of it for free to increase sales.
  - aurareturn 2y ago
    So what do you think is the solution? Something like window snapping has been out since Windows Vista or 7, I forgot. If you make an app to do this on macOS, you would have had nearly 20 years to make sales. To me, these apps don't have any moat anyway. Developers for this category of apps should already understand that if it's essential, Apple or Google or Microsoft will integrate it into their OS eventually.

thenaturalist 2y ago

Might seem like a small one, but finally: a passwords app. That one really makes me happy. 1Password was a bliss until they went all in on subscriptions, and Bitwarden, for all its benefits is, I gotta say, rather abysmal when it comes to GUI and UX of their native app. The Passwords app looks like the best of both worlds in terms of UX and functionality.

samuria 2y ago
I really hope that there's a way to integrate the new passwords app into browsers other than Safari. The only reason I'm still with 1Password is because of their Firefox extension for auto fill.
- mstolpm 2y ago
  You can already "autofill" Firefox (and other) input fields with keychain data in Sonoma. Its a bit cumbersome, but right click into the field, select "autofill" from the context menu, then either "passwords" or "contacts", search/select/confirm the data to be inserted.
  - samuria 2y ago
    There's a bunch more to "autofilling". 1Password has ability to generate new passwords, save new registrations, autofill MFA codes, and even read QR codes on screen to setup MFA. None of this is possible on Firefox with Keychain.
jairuhme 2y ago
I didn't see any details, but I'm hoping that you can easily import password lists. I just set up 1Password, I'd hate to have to input each individual password again
- seaal 2y ago
  Keychain already allow for imports from a .CSV file for years now.

dmix 2y ago

This seems like one of the best MacOS release I can remember I hold Snow Leopard to high esteem still because it made everything faster and smoother.

ksec 2y ago
Agree. Now I just want bug fix and performance improvements in future release and stop cramping more and more useless features for the sake of it.
inferiorhuman 2y ago
Counterpoint: this is one of the most disappointing releases I've seen. I hold Snow Leopard to high esteem still because it made everything faster and smoother. Well there's the rub. Snow Leopard was largely a bug fix release. Sonoma is atrocious. It is the buggiest release I've dealt with since the pre-Tiger days. You name it, it's broken. File sharing (both SMB and AFP are broken in different ways). Dtrace. Keyboard input. The atrociously enshittified settings app. Hell iMessage stopped synchronizing with my phone while I'm on a VPN. As long as the focus is on whiz bang bullshit I can't imagine Sequoia will be any good.

ksec 2y ago

Safari 18 no longer support Monterey. i.e MacBook Air before 2018 is no longer able to update. Not sure if there is anyway to get around this limitation. Unfortunately Safari seems to be tied to three macOS release support.

freediver 2y ago
You can run latest WebKit as far as Catalina with Orion [1] (disclaimer, one of those crazy devs still maintaining support for latest WebKit on older macOS versions) [1] https://kagi.com/orion https://kagi.com/orion
- ksec 2y ago
  Thank You. Will try that. Was surprised at the KeyChain Integration.

Reason077 2y ago

I hate the notification centre on macOS. Don't see why I need to have notifications appear both on my iPhone and Mac, it's just an annoyance. I'd rather have the notification centre widgets (weather, clock, calendar, etc) always appear without notifications. (Also, I miss the old widget Dashboard from old versions of macOS. Wish they'd bring that back with the new widgets tech).

setopt 2y ago
Not a huge fan either – mainly because it’s hard to interact with it purely via the keyboard. Depending on the implementation, I am however looking forward to this. I need to use some systems that only provide 2FA via a mobile app (i.e. Push OTP), and having to reach for my phone during work hours is pretty bad for my productivity and flow. (I really prefer TOTP, which I can just let 1Password handle…)
nozzlegear 2y ago
> I'd rather have the notification centre widgets (weather, clock, calendar, etc) always appear without notifications. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but did you know you can pin widgets to your desktop in Sonoma? They don’t have to be tucked away in the Notification Center anymore; the entire bottom half of my second monitor is a big widget dashboard.
- Reason077 2y ago
  That does sound like an improvement: in combination with the "Show Desktop" keyboard shortcut it will give quicker access to widgets than going through the clunky notification centre. And it will mean the widgets stay in one place and don't move around because some tiresome notifications got piled up above it. However, it still doesn't sound as good as the old Dashboard, where widgets effectively got their own desktop (available for quick access at any time with a single keypress or touchpad gesture). This would also be more consistent with iOS, where you can just swipe to the left-most home screen to see a dashboard of widgets. I like to maintain a "clean desktop" look so not sure if I love the idea of cluttering it up with widgets, but I'll give it a try!

rqtwteye 2y ago

For me as hiker the trail map stuff looks interesting. I wonder if it will compete with Alltrails or Gaia.

charles_f 2y ago

> Tapback with any emoji or sticker > Express yourself in more ways than ever. This is quite an overselling of "allowing emojis as answers".

Isuckatcode 2y ago

I wish the password manager app allowed you to set a custom password to open the app. The iPhone password is something that people often share easily with those around them. With just the passcode, a person with bad intentions could easily gain access to all the passwords

divbzero 2y ago

I like that Apple is still investing in the basics, e.g. “a table of contents and high-level summary” for Reader mode in Safari, “topographic maps with detailed trail networks” in Maps, and “history and unit conversions” in Calculator.

Axsuul 2y ago
I wish there was a way for Siri to dictate an article too from that dropdown.

suneater921 2y ago

iPhone mirroring is going to be terrible for schools, especially those with a “keep it in your bag” policy. Good luck getting any research or typing work done.

devinprater 2y ago

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't get a new Mac. I'll wait until VoiceOver can easily be used in the Terminal, on Google Docs, and Salesforce.

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wwalexander 2y ago

I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.

thiht 2y ago
FINALLY! I really didn’t it to come to Mac, ever. Now so just need a clipboard history manager, a way to make cmd+tab behave like Windows alt+tab, a way to mute the mic in the status bar, and a different setting for the trackpad/mouse wheel direction, and I won’t need to install random apps for basic features anymore.
- pxc 2y ago
  don't forget per-app volume control, linear scroll wheel speed, some reasonable way to manage menu bar icons and ensure all can actually be accesses and used, a way to prevent the system from going to sleep (the built-in `caffeinate` command hasn't worked for years!), and searching through open windows by typing!
  - tiltowait 2y ago
    I use caffeinate all the time. What's wrong with it?
    - pxc 2y ago
      When sleep is supposedly disabled by caffeinate, closing the lid still puts my laptop to sleep. It's been like that as since I first tried it, several years ago. But your comment inspired me to Google anew and... I guess it was always intended to only kind of disable sleep?
  - LexGray 2y ago
    > reasonable way to manage menu bar icons I believe the new control center API is intended to push seldom used icons into the control center > searching through open windows by typing The new Siri is context aware once the developers include their data through new APIs. The Microsoft version which was snooping through private browsing, secure apps, and logging passwords in open databases was not the right way to go.

minimaxir 2y ago

The iPhone Mirroring was the most interesting announcement (and I don't think was leaked). I suspect it will only be useful for emergencies as latency will be terrible, though.

pazimzadeh 2y ago
this is needed on Vision Pro
- agloe_dreams 2y ago
  Which, weirdly, should be simple. The Vision Pro’s Mac mirroring is probably the exact same stack as the IPhone to Mac feature.
cassianoleal 2y ago
Goodbye having to lift my phone to use crappy enterprise MFA solutions.
Detrytus 2y ago
The only use case for iPhone Mirroring I can think of is online shopping, when I'm trying to finalize transaction on my Mac, but then realize that I have to login to my banking app to confirm payment, and my iPhone is in another room... I guess you can call that "an emergency". And of course, there are all those MFA apps which I need for work...
agloe_dreams 2y ago
I’m fully expecting this to just be a ported version of the Vision Pro’s feature that allows a Virtual Desktop of your Mac. In that context, it seemed to have extremely low latency.
k8sToGo 2y ago
With WiFi 6e latency should be ok.
tsujamin 2y ago
Sidecar/display mirroring from my macbook to my ipad is pretty low latency, so presumably this will be based on a similar technology stack

pmx 2y ago

I have high hopes for the background replacement tech, the segmentation built into teams isn't very good.

minimaxir 2y ago
The demo they showed used the iPhone Continuity Camera, which has depth information and already does a great job of segmentation as it's required for the Portrait and Studio Light effects. I suspect quality will be worse on a typical Mac FaceTime camera.
- xenonite 2y ago
  Good point, but not for details: I doubt that the depth information is of much help for separating hairs from the background.
viraptor 2y ago
You can always use your own removal with OBS. There's a plugin for automatic background removal and you can re-export the video as a virtual camera that any other app can use.

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corytheboyd 2y ago

I’d love to have a proper window organizer with keyboard shortcuts built into the OS, one less thing to have to install on the side. Hopefully it’s fast, with no annoying flair.

sleepybrett 2y ago
I'll probably still use phoenix since I can code it to do whatever I want. https://github.com/kasper/phoenix https://github.com/kasper/phoenix
- kalb_almas 2y ago
  Dude thank you SO MUCH for sharing this. I use Rectangle to tile windows and I've been looking for a way to switch between windows based on their position on my screen rather than their type for probably about a year now.

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AnonC 2y ago

The iPhone mirroring feature and the related feature of being able to control the screen on another person’s device is going to be quite helpful, personally speaking. But the screen control feature can also be a threat that scammers could convince someone to allow and then defraud them. I’ll be looking forward to try this out and see how (well) it works.

_yb2s 2y ago
I don't think scammers will be able to exploit the control feature, as you will most likely need to have two apple devices in close physical proximity.
- AnonC 2y ago
  GP here. I said "related feature" because I didn't recall what was exactly said in the keynote. FaceTime calls can be used to take control of the other person's iPhone in iOS 18. This is where scammers could convince people to allow access and perform actions when they (the scammers) get control.

adamors 2y ago

Should have called it Sherlock as they seem to be Sherlocking a lot of apps. For instance I only use Fantastical because I can see my reminders with my events, I assume many people will also switch from a paid password manager to this as well.

woah 2y ago
I'm guessing (and Apple is probably betting) that far more new users of Passwords will be switching from not having used a password manager at all, not switching from a different password manager. I pay for Bitwarden, and will probably continue doing so because I can't be bothered to switch.
- yunwal 2y ago
  Also until Passwords is easily usable on non-Apple devices, there’ll be a place for password managers.
  - thirdsun 2y ago
    I think they mentioned it will be available on Windows via iCloud for Windows. But yes, seems like a second class platform for the app.
maronato 2y ago
My thought exactly. Today must’ve been a sad day for many app developers.
makeitdouble 2y ago
Can you use an arbitrary account in the new password app ? The screenshots had no indication of it, and it doesn't seem to have a web counterpart. One of the major PITA for keychain was the association with your logged in AppleID. If it 's still that way, I don't see a real appeal for people who already went their way to pay for a full-fledge product. Imagine killing your phone and asking a nearby friend to borrow theirs to quickly cancel an appointment to give you time to deal with it. That's the kind of situation that should be gracefully handled by a password manager service.

freediver 2y ago

A cool tidbit shown in one of the screenshots is that Apple Pay will be unlocked to other browsers. It is not clear whether they will need to be running WebKit or not for this to work, but looking forward to support in Orion.

lxgr 2y ago
Given that all relevant browsers on macOS either bring their own WebKit build or run another engine, system-WebKit only would be close to false advertising, so I really hope it's not. I'm really looking forward to this – big fan of Apple Pay, but I'm not switching to Safari and rebuilding my shopping cart for non-logged-in purchases, and that's where it's arguably most useful.
- azinman2 2y ago
  Chrome is not using system webkit.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    That's my point exactly. If they'd limit to system webkit, they'd exclude the biggest non-Safari browser, making this a non-feature. Word is that it'll work via QR code scanning from an iPhone anyway, in all browsers! Very clunky, but much better than Webkit only.

xenospn 2y ago

I’ve been wishing for iPhone notifications on my Mac for the longest time!

dmitshur 2y ago
I wonder if it’ll do anything about duplicate notifications. As a basic example, the Weather app exists both on iOS (and iPadOS) and macOS, so if it’s enabled, would you get duplicate notifications on macOS?
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  I really need to unfuck my notifications; I'm getting them from Chrome (Google Calendar), Office (work calendar), and MacOS calendar (where I have a copy of all of them). Should unify that stuff. Oh, and I get more notifications on my other laptop which has some similar calendars. And my phone, too.
- xenospn 2y ago
  I could always use more reminders that it’s going to rain in 13 minutes
autoexecbat 2y ago
Just waiting for yet more of "Apple Arcade Free For 3 Months" style notifications

srott 2y ago

I wish they’d have an LTS version, I’m in constant fear of what will go wrong next…

cyclecount 2y ago
Every release is an LTS version, with support for about 8 years. The current stable release of macOS (10.14 Sonoma) supports all Macs introduced in 2017 and later.
- luuurker 2y ago
  Older macOS versions don't receive all security fixes, so while you'll receive security updates from time to time, the OS isn't fully patched. It's a bit different from, say, Ubuntu LTS.
rafaelturk 2y ago
You still receive security updates for all manjor MacOSes, so albeit lack of proper naming you can assume each new release as LTS.
- luuurker 2y ago
  Small, but important detail: you receive some security updates, not all. Same with iOS.

alberth 2y ago

Tech Debt Wow, those are a lot of features being added (even if it's largely userland). I can't even imagine the amount of tech debt for an OS that's 23-years old (and older if you count NextStep). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
First off, you don't need to title your comments. That said, just because a codebase is old doesn't mean it has a lot of tech debt; that's down to maintenance, discipline, and setting priorities. There was a blogger which kept tabs on what Apple's iOS (apps?) were being written in, showing a steady migration towards Swift, which tells me they're not just letting code sit and rot.

xnx 2y ago

I'm very productive in Windows, but Microsoft's recent behavior (jamming Windows full of Edge dark patterns and ads) and the improvement of window management in macOS tempts me to give it another try.

htk 2y ago
I know your situation very well, I still develop a lot on Windows, but my main computer is a Mac. I find the hardware amazing, and the software a joy to use. Windows 11 is behaving more and more like the viruses and adwares I spent so many years defending against.
lawlessone 2y ago
I just switched to Kubuntu. Everything I want/need including games via steam run perfectly on it now. I can't see a reason to return to MS or got to Apple.
spartanatreyu 2y ago
I've used Windows solely for gaming and MacOS solely for MacOS/iOS development (work). But now... - Windows is full of AI/Adware bloat with more getting added every few months - Linux's gaming/nvivia support has come such a long way that in some games it's beating Windows in some benchmarks now - Apple's app store policies over the last 10 years have caused so many issues that our company is switching everything to webapps. So I'll probably be switching from Windows+MacOS+Linux this year to just Linux next year. Thinking of using the KDE or Cosmic desktop environments for personal computer and NixOS for development computer (just so I can test/rollback changes, and if the computer ever dies I can be up and running again in under an hour if I need to meet a deadline).
- aurareturn 2y ago
  You don’t have to use the App Store on MacOS.
  - spartanatreyu 2y ago
    No but if you want to distribute your app and hope to get any users at all then you need to sign/notarize your app then release it on the macos app store.

spankalee 2y ago

I wonder - if you're not an iPhone user, will Macs soon just not really be for you anymore? I don't care about iPhone integration, Siri, or Apple's AI.

nottorp 2y ago
TBH i have both Macs and iPhones and not only I don't use any integration options (with the exception of reading and sending text messages from my laptop) but I'm pretty sure I don't even know about 90% of them.
- chatmasta 2y ago
  I explicitly use different Apple IDs on each device because I don’t want to accidentally opt into features like mirroring my messages across them.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    I do! I work from home and when home I never know where my phone is. Having messages and calls on my desktop means I don't have to care.
- mgrandl 2y ago
  The only thing I use is the clipboard sharing.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    I hate clipboard sharing :) I really don't need to paste the pieces of code I've been working on on my desktop on my phone. Everyone has different needs.
eviks 2y ago
Note transcription is useful without an iPhone
buzzerbetrayed 2y ago

etherlord 2y ago

Man I hope they expose the tiling functionality so software like Yabai can hook in and make it automatic.

nostrademons 2y ago

I wonder how the "seamlessly drag and drop files, photos, and videos between your iPhone and Mac" will work. Right now, if you just want to grab the raw files of your photos and videos and not deal with the Photos app, your best bet is Image Capture, a 20+ year old seemingly unmaintained program that seems to glitch out disturbingly frequently. I really hope they can introduce something that seamlessly lets you drag photos off your phone and into your filesystem, just in the Finder.

amarshall 2y ago
Drag and dropping photos and other files from iPhone (plugged via USB) works well on Linux in the file browser. Too bad it seems Apple can’t figure it out on their own OS, though maybe they have now.
isametry 2y ago
> and not deal with the Photos app What’s the point of this qualifier? Why not use the current, up-to-date default app for photo import that has been there since 2002 to literally serve this purpose? Yes it has a lot of extra functionality, but that doesn’t mean you have to use it. You can get originals from Photos and be done with it…
cantSpellSober 2y ago
> Every time you email a file to yourself so you can pull it up on your friend's laptop, Tim Berners-Lee sheds a single tear. https://xkcd.com/949/ https://xkcd.com/949/
dataflow360 2y ago
iMazing might be worth checking out, for photo and video import/export. It also has a Quick Transfer feature so you just drag and drop a file to your target device, and iMazing gives you a choice of apps to send the file to. It's similar to AirDrop but also works for Windows and seems a bit faster and more stable.
josefdlange 2y ago
Universal Access (Control? Whatever it's called) between multiple Macs not only allows sharing input methods but also dragging files back and forth, and works pretty seamlessly. I imagine the same mechanism is at work here.

thih9 2y ago

> iPhone notifications on Mac I was hoping for improvements to iPhone's notifications, not have them expand to other devices. I'm quite happy with all the social media notifications being confined to a single device; I can pick it up and check it when I want to, or put it away and ignore for a while. I know Apple wants me to set some sort of focus / do not disturb, but managing that seems too complex when the analog "put the phone away" works.

djhworld 2y ago

The iPhone mirroring looked interesting, I'm not sure why I would use it but it might come in handy in a pinch. One thing not clear in the presentation (or maybe I missed it) was how this feature works when apps ask for FaceID, e.g. finance apps. Presumably either they fail, or fallback to some other authentication means e.g. passcode.

nofunsir 2y ago

Wish I could use Safari with uBO, so that I could use Safari. Tired of feature fragmentation in 3rd party software, but equally tired of ostensible limitations in 1st party software that try to control and prevent every single edge case use in the name of "uSeR ExPeRiEnCe". EDIT: I'd like to add the following, in case any Safari team members come across this in the wake of today's keynote. I remain utterly disgusted by things like: - hiding the full url by default - force hiding the full url on certain ($) search engine sites - force injecting 'client=safari' into my urls for ($) - {google, yahoo, bing, duckduckgo, ecosia} - inability to specify custom search engines and their urls - removal of RSS reader (still salty)

runjake 2y ago
If anyone is wondering why uBlock Origin is no longer available for Safari, since version 13, see: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#issuecomment-926733561 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#is... And for watching Safari status ongoing: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52
- nofunsir 2y ago
  Yes. But, "... if ever there is a port to Safari, that will be MV3 uBO Lite, not uBO, which requires MV2." --gorhill
- nottorp 2y ago
  It's not available because Apple don't want to allow it. Hence I use Firefox.
carlosjobim 2y ago
NextDNS solves ads. Anything super special you can use the Stopthemadness plugin.
- strunz 2y ago
  I don't believe either of those block YouTube ads on Safari

ConanRus 2y ago

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ilikehurdles 2y ago

First time in recent memory that I’ve been totally blown away with a macOS announcement. I’m excited for a majority of the features here. Maps, tiling, smart reader, info extraction.

Yaggo 2y ago

Still no re-nameable virtual desktops? Bummer.

cjk2 2y ago
Err we already have that in Sonoma. Press F3 and move the mouse to the top of the screen. You can even switch between them with a triple swipe on a magic trackpad...
- aldonius 2y ago
  If you can _rename_ desktops though, I've never seen how. e.g. in Mission Control right now I have "Desktop 1", "Desktop 2", and full-screened iTerm2 on my external monitor, plus "Desktop 3" and about 6 other fullscreen apps on my laptop. I have somewhat semantic meaning for what each of those three numbered desktops are, but it'd be nice to _name_ them.
  - isametry 2y ago
    I find it helpful to set a different wallpaper for every space. In fact, that approach has been so useful that I’ve mostly stopped wishing to rename the spaces – I can glance at the colors so much faster than I could ever read a written title anyway.
    - aldonius 2y ago
      Yeah I do this too, I can't imagine not having different wallpapers. But when I'm pinning apps to desktops via the Dock it'd be nice to have the names then.

bsimpson 2y ago

My corp desktop is an iMac Pro (2018). For a long time, it was the best way to get a Retina-quality desktop without getting into VFX budgets. It was also in that weird period in Apple's product calendar when the one-and-done trash can was obsolete, but its replacement hadn't been released. Work usually issues whatever panels they can buy in bulk from overseas, but for a magical window, we could get a nice screen with no shenanigans by ordering an iMac Pro. My heart dropped for a second when I saw Sequoia only supports iMacs from 2019, until I saw it supports iMac Pros from 2017. I wonder how much longer I have before Apple stops releasing updates, and corp IT decides the iMac Pro is now e-waste. It's really unfortunate that they don't do Target Display Mode anymore. These iMacs have panels that are still top-of-the-line 6 years later. (A Studio Display is basically an iMac Pro with Apple Silicon in Target Display Mode.) I wonder if there will be a Linux distribution to convert these things into monitors when they go obsolete.

ryandrake 2y ago
I've got so much perfectly-working e-waste from Apple. It's so sad. I'm on a Late 2014 Mac mini that's stuck on Monterey macOS 12 and a Late 2014 retina iMac that's stuck on Big Sur macOS 11(!!) An iPhone7 that's stuck on iOS15. The display on that iMac is still IMO second to none. These computers do everything I need, yet their software support is stuck back in time. And 3rd party developers are terrible about supporting previous version of macOS. They alway seem to assume you are running the latest and greatest, and deliberately remove support for earlier OSs. Hell, I have an O.G. iPad 1 that still works perfectly as it did the day I bought it, but most of the built-in software no longer works, and the App Store is basically empty. What a sad state of affairs.
- EricE 2y ago
  Your not stuck (the Mac's at least) https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
  - sgerenser 2y ago
    I have a 2012 Mac mini server running Monterey right now thanks to Open Core. Still getting security updates (for now at least). Too many reported issues with Ventura and Sonoma to bother trying them.