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Windows Recall: Microsoft has lost trust with its users

26 points by uxcolumbo 2y ago

uxcolumbo 2y ago
If you're a Windows user, are you planning to move to another OS? IF so, which one?
- 31337Logic 2y ago
  Linux Mint. Already there. :-)
  - uxcolumbo 2y ago
    Any applications or things from Windows you miss?
    - lemonwaterlime 2y ago
      I’m not the person you posed this question to, but I’d recommend the general strategy of making a list of features and functionalities that you personally need and want. By making your decisions against such a list, you are less at the whims of trends because unless your needs change, your tool doesn’t need to. The key is to be honest about what you really need. Applies to all of life, really.
    - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
      Plug for FreeOffice, a file-compatible MS Office clone for Mac and Linux! (That said, MS Office is cloudified now, afaik, so you might be able to continue using it on the web.)
    - timbit42 2y ago
      No. I run those under Wine or VirtualBox.
    - quaffapint 2y ago
      Notepad++ ...There are alternatives, but none that save the current session (including unsaved files). The best option was to run it through Wine, but that seems overkill for a notepad style app. And thats my beef every time I switch to Linux, I come back to Windows because the apps in Windows are there and it just works. I used Linux Mint for a year, but it was a lot of finding similar but not quite as good apps as what I would use on Windows.
- recursive 2y ago
  No. Switching seems like effort and I don't care that much.
- winrid 2y ago
  I used Windows to develop daily from 2015 or so to 2022 because it just worked. I switched to Linux because I just got tired of all the management I had to do to get the OS out of my way, and also the "just worked" part was starting to become less true. Desktop Linux sucks, but at least it's not pulling the crap MS pulls. I like Linux Mint. I also use PopOS and am moving away from it to LM with XFCE on all my machines.
- dralley 2y ago
  I've only used Windows exclusively for gaming for going on 8 years, the rest of my computing is on Fedora Linux. Do recommend. I'll love to see the day when I can ditch it for gaming too, but most games I play are multiplayer, and anti-cheats generally don't like Linux
- linguae 2y ago
  I’m a ex-Mac user who switched to Windows a few years ago due to Apple’s soldered RAM and storage. I am considering making a switch to FreeBSD for my Framework laptop (contingent on driver support; otherwise I’d use Linux) and my daily-driver Ryzen 9 desktop. Linux would be fine for me, but I have a preference for FreeBSD. I admit that I will miss Microsoft Office (I currently have an Office 365 subscription), but after reading about the latest changes made to Photoshop’s TOS, I’m not confident about the future of other SaSS providers, and I’d like to transition to FOSS tools that respect my privacy, even if these tools aren’t as feature-rich as their proprietary counterparts. Plus, in the case I need Microsoft Office or other proprietary tools, I have an old 2013 Mac Pro that I could boot up, and I have a perpetual license for Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac. I’m increasingly concerned about the future of personal computing. It seems that there is a trend toward increasingly locked-down devices that serve the vendor rather than the user.
  - the_snooze 2y ago
    >I’m increasingly concerned about the future of personal computing. It seems that there is a trend toward increasingly locked-down devices that serve the vendor rather than the user. I feel like tech companies are constricting their future talent pools by doing this. But maybe they want to kill their future competition too. You already get university students now who don't know what files and folders are, which they need before moving into the basics of navigating a command line or source tree. Usable and accessible computers are great. But locking them down to the point of eliminating user agency and learning seems really shortsighted.
- theandrewbailey 2y ago
  I'll probably move to Debian.
mlinhares 2y ago
As much as I think this is bad i doubt it makes much of a difference for the enterprises that buy microsoft. It's mostly journalists and devs complaining about it, not the people with the money and that make decisions.
Agree2468 2y ago
just me or is this a completely different article?
- uxcolumbo 2y ago
  Yes - not sure what happened. I can't update the URL anymore. The correct one should be: https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-has-lost-trust-with-its-users-windows-recall-is-the-last-straw https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/micr...
- nabbed 2y ago
  Not just you: it seems to be an article about NVIDIA.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
uxcolumbo 2y ago
Correct link to the article. @Dang - is it possible to update the URL please? https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-has-lost-trust-with-its-users-windows-recall-is-the-last-straw https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/micr...
- dang 2y ago
  Belatedly changed from https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/nvidia-3-trillion-market-valuation-second-most-valuable-company https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/nvidia-3-trilli....
ydnaclementine 2y ago
I'm sure most normal, non-hn crowd users will not care. They have facebook or tiktok, etc installed on their phone and use it daily.
chucke1992 2y ago
Aside windowscentral and one wired article, I don't think anybody really cares.
- rakoo 2y ago
  It's not so much that nobody cares, it's mostly that nobody has real agency over their os. Replacing it with linux still involves a lot of steps that make it impossible at scale
- api 2y ago
  The people who care tend to be the ones who write software. Not a great crowd for an OS vendor to lose.
  - mwcampbell 2y ago
    I'm not so sure about that. Many people who write software have learned not to care about anything other than developing for the platform(s) where the users are, in the most expedient way possible. So unless there really is a mass user exodus from Windows, which I doubt will happen, we'll continue to develop for Windows.
fossr 2y ago
We launched a FOSS alternative two days ago OpenRecall https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall we're fleshing out the roadmap to build a more privacy-friendly/auditable/secure alternative that is not dependent on OS or specific hardware
taco_emoji 2y ago
> droves of people are proclaiming they will proudly switch to Linux or Mac in the wake of it Citation needed. What kind of rag is this? The entire article is full of falsifiable claims without any links to surveys or any sort of data. They have screenshots of tweets or whatever, but that's essentially useless. I am absolutely not defending Microsoft's moronic behavior here, but I have a hard time believing the VAST majority of Windows users have even heard of Recall, much less are concerned about it, and even fewer would have the wherewithal to even be able to switch.
karaterobot 2y ago
> On paper, it's a cool idea. To me, even on paper it's a terrible idea. I never want this, ever, or anything like it. I imagine this hypothetical paper as just having the words "your computer is now a way to create a vector describing your buying characteristics" and there's a big circle drawn around it, and all the Ss have been turned into dollar signs.
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40599933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40599933

26 points by uxcolumbo 2y ago

uxcolumbo 2y ago

If you're a Windows user, are you planning to move to another OS? IF so, which one?

31337Logic 2y ago
Linux Mint. Already there. :-)
- uxcolumbo 2y ago
  Any applications or things from Windows you miss?
  - lemonwaterlime 2y ago
    I’m not the person you posed this question to, but I’d recommend the general strategy of making a list of features and functionalities that you personally need and want. By making your decisions against such a list, you are less at the whims of trends because unless your needs change, your tool doesn’t need to. The key is to be honest about what you really need. Applies to all of life, really.
  - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
    Plug for FreeOffice, a file-compatible MS Office clone for Mac and Linux! (That said, MS Office is cloudified now, afaik, so you might be able to continue using it on the web.)
  - timbit42 2y ago
    No. I run those under Wine or VirtualBox.
  - quaffapint 2y ago
    Notepad++ ...There are alternatives, but none that save the current session (including unsaved files). The best option was to run it through Wine, but that seems overkill for a notepad style app. And thats my beef every time I switch to Linux, I come back to Windows because the apps in Windows are there and it just works. I used Linux Mint for a year, but it was a lot of finding similar but not quite as good apps as what I would use on Windows.
recursive 2y ago
No. Switching seems like effort and I don't care that much.
winrid 2y ago
I used Windows to develop daily from 2015 or so to 2022 because it just worked. I switched to Linux because I just got tired of all the management I had to do to get the OS out of my way, and also the "just worked" part was starting to become less true. Desktop Linux sucks, but at least it's not pulling the crap MS pulls. I like Linux Mint. I also use PopOS and am moving away from it to LM with XFCE on all my machines.
dralley 2y ago
I've only used Windows exclusively for gaming for going on 8 years, the rest of my computing is on Fedora Linux. Do recommend. I'll love to see the day when I can ditch it for gaming too, but most games I play are multiplayer, and anti-cheats generally don't like Linux
linguae 2y ago
I’m a ex-Mac user who switched to Windows a few years ago due to Apple’s soldered RAM and storage. I am considering making a switch to FreeBSD for my Framework laptop (contingent on driver support; otherwise I’d use Linux) and my daily-driver Ryzen 9 desktop. Linux would be fine for me, but I have a preference for FreeBSD. I admit that I will miss Microsoft Office (I currently have an Office 365 subscription), but after reading about the latest changes made to Photoshop’s TOS, I’m not confident about the future of other SaSS providers, and I’d like to transition to FOSS tools that respect my privacy, even if these tools aren’t as feature-rich as their proprietary counterparts. Plus, in the case I need Microsoft Office or other proprietary tools, I have an old 2013 Mac Pro that I could boot up, and I have a perpetual license for Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac. I’m increasingly concerned about the future of personal computing. It seems that there is a trend toward increasingly locked-down devices that serve the vendor rather than the user.
- the_snooze 2y ago
  >I’m increasingly concerned about the future of personal computing. It seems that there is a trend toward increasingly locked-down devices that serve the vendor rather than the user. I feel like tech companies are constricting their future talent pools by doing this. But maybe they want to kill their future competition too. You already get university students now who don't know what files and folders are, which they need before moving into the basics of navigating a command line or source tree. Usable and accessible computers are great. But locking them down to the point of eliminating user agency and learning seems really shortsighted.
theandrewbailey 2y ago
I'll probably move to Debian.

mlinhares 2y ago

As much as I think this is bad i doubt it makes much of a difference for the enterprises that buy microsoft. It's mostly journalists and devs complaining about it, not the people with the money and that make decisions.

Agree2468 2y ago

just me or is this a completely different article?

uxcolumbo 2y ago
Yes - not sure what happened. I can't update the URL anymore. The correct one should be: https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-has-lost-trust-with-its-users-windows-recall-is-the-last-straw https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/micr...
nabbed 2y ago
Not just you: it seems to be an article about NVIDIA.
deleted 2y ago
[deleted]

uxcolumbo 2y ago

Correct link to the article. @Dang - is it possible to update the URL please? https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-has-lost-trust-with-its-users-windows-recall-is-the-last-straw https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/micr...

dang 2y ago
Belatedly changed from https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/nvidia-3-trillion-market-valuation-second-most-valuable-company https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/nvidia-3-trilli....

ydnaclementine 2y ago

I'm sure most normal, non-hn crowd users will not care. They have facebook or tiktok, etc installed on their phone and use it daily.

chucke1992 2y ago

Aside windowscentral and one wired article, I don't think anybody really cares.

rakoo 2y ago
It's not so much that nobody cares, it's mostly that nobody has real agency over their os. Replacing it with linux still involves a lot of steps that make it impossible at scale
api 2y ago
The people who care tend to be the ones who write software. Not a great crowd for an OS vendor to lose.
- mwcampbell 2y ago
  I'm not so sure about that. Many people who write software have learned not to care about anything other than developing for the platform(s) where the users are, in the most expedient way possible. So unless there really is a mass user exodus from Windows, which I doubt will happen, we'll continue to develop for Windows.

fossr 2y ago

We launched a FOSS alternative two days ago OpenRecall https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall we're fleshing out the roadmap to build a more privacy-friendly/auditable/secure alternative that is not dependent on OS or specific hardware

taco_emoji 2y ago

> droves of people are proclaiming they will proudly switch to Linux or Mac in the wake of it Citation needed. What kind of rag is this? The entire article is full of falsifiable claims without any links to surveys or any sort of data. They have screenshots of tweets or whatever, but that's essentially useless. I am absolutely not defending Microsoft's moronic behavior here, but I have a hard time believing the VAST majority of Windows users have even heard of Recall, much less are concerned about it, and even fewer would have the wherewithal to even be able to switch.

karaterobot 2y ago

> On paper, it's a cool idea. To me, even on paper it's a terrible idea. I never want this, ever, or anything like it. I imagine this hypothetical paper as just having the words "your computer is now a way to create a vector describing your buying characteristics" and there's a big circle drawn around it, and all the Ss have been turned into dollar signs.

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40599933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40599933